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Arunca
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Posted - 2007.07.01 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Arunca on 01/07/2007 11:12:18
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Kovalsky
Elixiion
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Posted - 2007.07.01 11:48:00 -
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Edited by: Kovalsky on 01/07/2007 11:48:11
Wha.......?
Just kill him again and again till he crys like a sissy, then kill him again. And your work is done. 
Wouldn't worry about the griefing part too much, as long as you don't insult his "person" you are perfectly allowed to kick ass throughout space.
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Zkillz kun
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.01 11:49:00 -
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imo, him joining corps when he know's you're hunting him would be griefing those corps, bringing them a war he knew about but tehy didn't when they accepted him. it might not work with the petition system, but i wish you luck. 
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Amanda Shadowsword
Caldari
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.01 11:55:00 -
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its not grief, its fun 
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Devian 666
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.07.01 11:56:00 -
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This is a tough call. What I would recommend is go after these guys until you feel satisfied that you have crushed them and caused them sufficient problems.
Remain calm and professional with whoever you deal with while you are seeking your revenge.
Back when I was running Snakes in a Pod as a 3 man corp my corp mate complained that some new corp was smacking him endlessly for stealing some ore. He requested a couple of war decs and I put the decs up asap.
One corp hid out but the corp with the most ridiculous smacktalkers were bailed out by a small alliance that absorbed their corp and took on the war dec. I wasn't too fussed as a 3 man pvp corp is a fair match for a small alliance.
However, the alliance leader contacted me and we had a chat. He was under the impression that we were just out to grief some noobs. I just explained that they'd been making threats and smacking some ridiculous bs in local so we'd decided to give them a chance to back up their statements. I was then told that they'd been kicked out of the alliance for begging, whining and generally being idiots.
I didn't bother war decing their corp any more as they actually appeared to be their own worst enemies, despite their use of an exploit to avoid a war. I'm pretty sure one of the members of that corp has never logged in again (he was the one that got them into the war).
If you have a reason to dec them I don't think it's griefing.
Given that some ppl in C&P will run extended wars against corps to make them bleed members for the purpose of ransoming them I would say that's a business model and not griefing.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star.
Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain. |
Arunca
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Posted - 2007.07.01 13:09:00 -
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Thanks for the replies guys
To have a reason I will now make sure to ransom 1 billion each time until he pays up or is dead.
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Daeva Vios
Ardent Adversary
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Posted - 2007.07.01 13:26:00 -
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It's not griefing until the GM tells you to stop.
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Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
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Posted - 2007.07.01 15:10:00 -
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I'm not at all sure that legitimate pursuit of an annoyance and a deeply held grudge can be classed as grief. Petty and malevolent possibly  but I would hazard not in breach of the rules. If ransoming people in the belts in low-sec is OK, then chasing them for any grievance, real or imagined, would seem to be OK too.
Certainly people die in 0 and low sec for a lot less and this is accepted as part of the universe we live in.
If these guys have annoyed you to the point where you feel the need to chase them across multiple regions for the chance of a kill, then fair enough. The only issue is how much time you are prepared to spend hunting them when it might be more productive to do something else instead.
Personally, I'd keep on keeping on until you feel you've done enough.... then do a bit more out of spite; your revenge is only as limited as your imagination
It probably won't change the modus operandi of the guys in question; they may well still remain bad people.
However, once you come to terms with the fact that part of the reason you are doing this is a perverted sense of gratification and self-satisfaction, and accept that as part of human nature, not neccessarily a bad thing, and also a natural consequence (for them) of annoying your corp-mates, then you'll be happier about ganking them when you have the chance.
My advice, for what it's worth:-
Nuke 'em till they glow!!
Happy hunting.
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The Hooch
Minmatar
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.01 17:51:00 -
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I don't get it. You want to grief him and his buddy, so just do it. He will either run far away, or join another bunch of players that will protect him, or a noob corp.
Just kill him him and be done with it.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.01 18:04:00 -
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If I can make a suggestion, there's an easier way than war declaring him time and again as he runs for new corporations.
Have a chat with his CEO, and explain what's going on. Direct him to this post. Tell him that you have nothing against his corporation, and just wish to wipe out the vermin that this guy represents. If you can work out something with the CEO, let these two guys get comfortable in the corp for a week or so, break out any expensive ships they have, go mission running....
Then, when you've got them nailed down in a system, on probe or in a belt, but in your sights, and the CEO is on, have him let you into the corp. Then go blow up this guy. =) You'll have the edge of surpise, and save the cost of a wardec.
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Jonny 101
The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
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Posted - 2007.07.01 18:24:00 -
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Judging from the OP i'd say you're incapable of violating the EULA grief, that's something people like me accidentally do.
Do your worst and the devs will laugh at any petitions.
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Helganstandt
InNova Tech Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.01 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Helganstandt on 01/07/2007 18:41:30
Griefing is a very relative experience. However, there is nothing in the EULA saying you can't employ what are commonly referred to as "grief tactics."
I'd suggest that you read the EULA regarding harassment. It's pretty clear on what is and what is NOT harassment, and war-dec'ing every corp they join, and blowing them up every chance you get wouldn't be considered harassment. They can stay in newbie corps if they don't like the risks associated with being in a corp. They sound like they were jerks, and are just suffering the in-game consequences for their actions.
So long as you guys don't start actually harassing them (as outlined in the EULA) you've got nothing to fear. The nice thing about EVE is you can war-dec anyone, for any reason, for any duration so long as you have the money to pay off CONCORD. If EVE wasn't like this, the game would lose much of its appeal.
Edit: By anyone, I obviously mean any corp. Newbie corps are of course protected from war decs 
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2007.07.01 20:21:00 -
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Griefing only applies to situations where a person being griefed has no way to counter the aggression.
But in EVE everything can be countered, therefore there is no griefing in EVE!
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Speed Devil
Caldari
Mean Machines
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Posted - 2007.07.01 22:44:00 -
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1 guy petitioned me today because i was in a domi in the same belt of his hulk
i only scanned him but he ran off and smacked me in local  guess im getting too known as suicider
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Devian 666
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.07.02 00:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Speed Devil
1 guy petitioned me today because i was in a domi in the same belt of his hulk
i only scanned him but he ran off and smacked me in local guess im getting too known as suicider
Get an alt in a hauler to jump in so that he looks like your standard ore thief then warp your bs to zero so you land well within the 5km (make sure you warp your alt out so he can scoop the loot ).
That and getting petitioned for flying a ship in a belt is new to me.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star.
Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain. |
Stakhanov
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.02 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jago Kain
My advice, for what it's worth:-
Nuke 'em till they glow!!
Happy hunting.
Quoted for emphasis.
If the GMs do ask you to stop , cancel the wardec and hire mercs to fight them. If you can't make them undock , and really want to grief them , hire infiltrator mercs to steal their stuff. If they stay in NPC corps , hire suicide ganking highsec pirates to kill them.
Post a nice story of your campaign to celebrate your retribution on the smacktards.
At this point they should be afraid enough to stay docked all the time , in a NPC corp , with no ships and most of their ISK lost to corp theft or scams. I don't think anyone can keep playing Eve for long under those conditions.
If they start to be clever and manage to evade you by moving to different regions / using alts , be patient. Take your time to track them down , and stalk them with your own alts. Wait until they have recovered a bit , and suicide gank their most valuable ship (ideally a hauler with all their stuff) when they least expect it. When constant pressure doesn't work , shock and trauma are good to make someone leave Eve.
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Arunca
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Posted - 2007.07.02 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
If I can make a suggestion, there's an easier way than war declaring him time and again as he runs for new corporations.
Have a chat with his CEO, and explain what's going on. Direct him to this post. Tell him that you have nothing against his corporation, and just wish to wipe out the vermin that this guy represents. If you can work out something with the CEO, let these two guys get comfortable in the corp for a week or so, break out any expensive ships they have, go mission running....
Then, when you've got them nailed down in a system, on probe or in a belt, but in your sights, and the CEO is on, have him let you into the corp. Then go blow up this guy. =) You'll have the edge of surpise, and save the cost of a wardec.
Unfortunately their new CEO wanted proof and what proof is there for these things other then they people who were there? Well, he said it was not his corp's fault, well... He keeps them there, so now it is War Dec coming after a shoort summer holiday!
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Golden Helmet
Caldari
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.07.02 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Daeva Vios
It's not griefing until the GM tells you to stop.
This man speaks the truth
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.07.02 10:15:00 -
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IT IS NOT GRIEFING WHEN YOU JUST WANT YOUR LOOT BACK!!!
I'm not sure about guidelines for CCP but it does sound a bit personal - nothing wrong with that except if you continue your quest without him ever having a chance of getting away or fight back in a fair way..
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lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.02 10:51:00 -
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Imo, griefing is an act with malicious intent which has no personal gain.
Basically if you want to kill them, go for it. Kill them as much as you want, for satisfaction / loot.
If you somehow kept this going for a year, not allowing them to play, then maybe its greif
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missquid
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Posted - 2007.07.02 13:10:00 -
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Golden Helmet, LOVE that avatar. Classic
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.07.02 16:13:00 -
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The problem with Eve is almost anything can be construed as griefing by some people.
If you war dec a smaller corp than yours, that's griefing. If you war dec a mining corp, that's griefing. If you keep stealing someones ore from a jetcan every day that's griefing. If you camp someone in a station in low sec for 8 hours, that's griefing. By those terms you can constitute gate camping a 0.0 choke point griefing or when people kill you in low sec while you mine or rat.
The game is one big grief-fest if you make it out to be one, and I have seen plenty of people that do that.
However, when it comes down to it, all of those things are legal to do according to CCP's ruleset. So CCP doesn't consider it griefing and really, neither do I.
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Arunca
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Posted - 2007.07.03 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Pinky Denmark
IT IS NOT GRIEFING WHEN YOU JUST WANT YOUR LOOT BACK!!!
I'm not sure about guidelines for CCP but it does sound a bit personal - nothing wrong with that except if you continue your quest without him ever having a chance of getting away or fight back in a fair way..
Well, I now gave him the choice of paying 750 mil for us stopping to hunt him. So guess my intent on gain is pretty clear now
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Zephyr Zhang
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.03 10:51:00 -
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Tis only griefing if you get caught by a GM YARRRR!!!!
Zephyr Out
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.07.06 10:52:00 -
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Well.
Apparently I harrassed a player for FIVE MONTHS non stop relentlessly.
I say apparently, because I don't recall doing it.
The people I killed in those five months don't think I harrassed her relentlessly for five months either.
After not even seeing "Cute Minergirl" in space for 2 months. I destroyed about 40Km3 of her and her friends ore "for old time's sake".
That got me a barely legible harrassment warning from GM "It's a girl, I will respond in less than 5 minutes" Faolchu, he responded so quickly in fact, he couldn't even be bothered to take the time to make any sense.
2 Days later her hulk and pod got suicided in response. An SGM had told me that I was ok to shoot her within game mechanics. (Thanks for clearing up the random collection of words Faolchu used, whoever that SGM was.)
She quit Eve.
Way to go Cute Minergirl. Way to go GM Faolchu.
Like they say, it's not an exploit until you get petitioned against, and even then it's a dice roll.
Do anything you can to make their life a misery. Make them quit Eve. Make them take it out on their families. Just do it. Worry about consequences when they happen.
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.06 12:33:00 -
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There is no such thing as griefing, therefore you can never go too far.
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