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Andy Icarn
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Posted - 2007.07.01 11:46:00 -
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Can anyone give me advice on the best way to make decent money as a Minmatar Brutor character focused on warfare? I've been around for about a week and I currently haven't found a better way than mission ratting in my ever more nicely outfitted Rifter. Here's basically what my character details are.
My skills in order of best to worst are Per, Will, Int, Cha, Mem.
I've been training a myriad of various low level skills to use a lot of special equipment and have 42 different skills trained at least to lvl 1, mostly based in Electronics, Engineering, Gunnery, Learning and Navigation.
I recently tried fitting out a Scythe for mining with Gaussian Mining Lasers and Expanded holds, but in 1.0 or 0.9 I can't seem to make more than around 50k per trip if I can find Scordite (sp?). In down to 0.5 it looked like I might be able to make a little more off of another type of ore I found only after searching about 5 asteriod belts for anyting but Scor and Veld. That's assuming I can fight rats or ignore them while I mine.
But in a Frigate I can currently make about 100-250k from agent reward, bounties and loots fighting rats plus maybe 25 loyalty points on average each mission and faction standing. And at this point with the stuff I've got outfitted onto my Rifter with a -3 quality agent I'm fighting rats that rarely even catch up close enough to scratch the shields as I'm using 250mm and 280mm artillery with about a 10k optimal range.
So I'm wondering whether I shouldn't get my money back on that Scythe and keep ratting instead or if there's something better to do to raise a bit of cash.
Also how do you tell how difficult the missions will be from agents? I wouldn't mind doing more challenging frigate missions but I hear level 2's are for cruisers? And that agent quality has more to do with risk vs reward than difficulty?
thanks.
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Ephemeral Waves
The Nine Gates
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.07.01 13:05:00 -
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You will probably make more from your missions than from mining in high-sec unless you want to dedicate a lot of skill points to getting in dedicated mining ships and a second account to haul for you.
Level 2 missions are designed for cruisers but can be done with a well fitted frigate. And yes, mission difficulty is based on the level of the mission, not the quality of the agent.
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Ed Anger
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Posted - 2007.07.01 14:46:00 -
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get Salvaging, it's a great way to make cash if you are flying kill missions... you can easily make 10 times what you were making before. and if you upgrade to a destroyer you can fit it out with weapons and still have slots for salvagers to clean up after the battle.
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Umamasyean
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Posted - 2007.07.01 20:08:00 -
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You can prolly put a point into an industrial ship and have it mine afk in some low sec spaces where you have no rats. There are a lot of ppl doing that it seems. As a matter of fact, I don't think this game's economy would be possible without all these ppl afk mining. 
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Braka Tron
Amarr
Masontarr Omnicorp
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Posted - 2007.07.01 21:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Ed Anger
get Salvaging, it's a great way to make cash if you are flying kill missions... you can easily make 10 times what you were making before. and if you upgrade to a destroyer you can fit it out with weapons and still have slots for salvagers to clean up after the battle.
How u mine afk? 
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Andy Icarn
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Posted - 2007.07.01 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: Andy Icarn on 01/07/2007 21:23:47
heh you go somewhere with no rats :D (which I think is just 1.0 or 0.9?)
thanks everyone. yeah I'm already working on Surveying 3 so I can get Salvaging once that's done. But I had forgotten about that momentarily as an income option and was waiting for Learning 4. Now I've got 6-7 hours til I can start working on Salvaging 1. 
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lydiam
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Posted - 2007.07.01 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Andy Icarn
Edited by: Andy Icarn on 01/07/2007 21:23:47
heh you go somewhere with no rats :D (which I think is just 1.0 or 0.9?)
thanks everyone. yeah I'm already working on Surveying 3 so I can get Salvaging once that's done. But I had forgotten about that momentarily as an income option and was waiting for Learning 4. Now I've got 6-7 hours til I can start working on Salvaging 1.
Yeah if you do mine afk make sure you get a "Survey Scanner" so you know where to leave your ship mining on. Because when it runs out of ore, it's not going to automatically switch to a new asteroid. Make sure you get some cargo holds too so you can hold more stuff. My Iteron I can do like 350k-400k isk in one load.
I've also read something about "persistant-tanking" setups where you can turn on all your boosters, rechargers and be practically invincible to some degree. I'm sure this requires a little more skills and setup considerations and I'm not sure what kind/how many NPC's it can take shooting you until while you're afk.
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LeBelInconnu
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Posted - 2007.07.01 22:03:00 -
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yeah I set up with 3 expanded cargo holds and could fit 669 capacity on my Scythe (cruiser). but I wasn't sure what else other than lasers was useful for mining. I put on a microwarpdrive just so I could get to asteroids quicker heh.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.07.02 00:31:00 -
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Best way to make money is to stick to 1 thing, focus training on that 1 thing, and milk it hard.
The tighter you focus the more money you can make.
Example : "Combat Pilot" is usually what a mission runner calls themselves, I don't consider PVE to be "combat" killing rats is like mining asteroids with missiles. But mission running can itself be a specialized profession, you can focus on social skills for better agent rewards, train up tractor beam for easier looting, train up salvaging for fast salvaging, etc.
Basically the same way a miner would train for t2 mining laser, to farm ore faster, a mission runner would train for t2 torps to farm wrecks faster.
Of course in a game like Eve there is alot of crossover, lots of people try to be jack-of-all-trades and this generally takes an enormous amount of time to pay off.
Some people start off mining because it pays well fast, then switch over to mission running, then switch over to ratting in 0.0, then switch over to lowsec piracy etc etc.
I myself have changed careers at least a dozen times. I've tried almost every profession, from manufacturing to mining to crime to ratting to mission running to hauling goods around, to trading/playing the market.
As a result my skills are all over the place, I never focused my training.
If you focus your training tightly and just train for 1 thing, you can make money.
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jinina
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Posted - 2007.07.02 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
Best way to make money is to stick to 1 thing, focus training on that 1 thing, and milk it hard.
The tighter you focus the more money you can make.
Example : "Combat Pilot" is usually what a mission runner calls themselves, I don't consider PVE to be "combat" killing rats is like mining asteroids with missiles. But mission running can itself be a specialized profession, you can focus on social skills for better agent rewards, train up tractor beam for easier looting, train up salvaging for fast salvaging, etc.
Basically the same way a miner would train for t2 mining laser, to farm ore faster, a mission runner would train for t2 torps to farm wrecks faster.
Of course in a game like Eve there is alot of crossover, lots of people try to be jack-of-all-trades and this generally takes an enormous amount of time to pay off.
Some people start off mining because it pays well fast, then switch over to mission running, then switch over to ratting in 0.0, then switch over to lowsec piracy etc etc.
I myself have changed careers at least a dozen times. I've tried almost every profession, from manufacturing to mining to crime to ratting to mission running to hauling goods around, to trading/playing the market.
As a result my skills are all over the place, I never focused my training.
If you focus your training tightly and just train for 1 thing, you can make money.
And for most people...this leads to "boredome" as well too! 
And hence why many ppl switch arround to do different things. hehe
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