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Zowie Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.07.15 11:30:00 - [121] Originally by: Usagi Tsukino Originally by: Reinherdt By that statement you should be declaring war on CAIN for the murder of innocent protesters, not flying side by side with them in Federation Space First off, you ask anyone, APEX or CAIN, whether or not we're flying side by side... I don't think you'd find anyone who'd agree with that statement. Really? Funny then that after forces from Acheron had locked up an APEX force in a station in Tierijev, a system we do not normally have any affairs, and don't frequent, a CAIN force still showed up in that very system to rescue APEX CAIN and APEX where indeed working together shooting down our ships.
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.07.15 12:26:00 - [122] Originally by: Zowie Really? Funny then that after forces from Acheron had locked up an APEX force in a station in Tierijev, a system we do not normally have any affairs, and don't frequent, a CAIN force still showed up in that very system to rescue APEX CAIN and APEX where indeed working together shooting down our ships. Tierjev is sovereign Caldari territory, whether the Gallente wish to acknowledge this or not. When you force you way into the State, you should not expect to escape with impunity. While APEX may have been unwilling to challenge your incursion into our space, the Reserve has no such reluctance. You are, of course, welcome to make whatever assumptions you wish. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
Yarod Cool Team JAVELIN The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.07.15 13:20:00 - [123] Originally by: Svetlana Scarlet Tierjev is sovereign Caldari territory, whether the Gallente wish to acknowledge this or not. The State abandoned Tierijev, just like it's abandoning the Caldari people. CAIN are bloodthirsty killers. They just want someone to kill, and they probably used a locator agent to find the ATEAM fleet. APEX, think twice about this war. If people think you're tied up with CAIN, your image is going to take a beating.
Reinherdt Caldari Strix Armaments and Defence Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.07.15 16:24:00 - [124] Originally by: Usagi Tsukino Originally by: Reinherdt By that statement you should be declaring war on CAIN for the murder of innocent protesters, not flying side by side with them in Federation Space First off, you ask anyone, APEX or CAIN, whether or not we're flying side by side... I don't think you'd find anyone who'd agree with that statement. There actually have been several occasions, especially in Federation Space, not State space that you claim to be protecting, where APEX and CAIN pilots are working together and demonstrating manuvers that require Gang operations to complete.
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.07.15 17:13:00 - [125] Originally by: Reinherdt There actually have been several occasions, especially in Federation Space, not State space that you claim to be protecting, where APEX and CAIN pilots are working together and demonstrating manuvers that require Gang operations to complete. I'm afraid you are incorrect. The Reserve has never, and likely will never, include APEX pilots in Reserve fleets due to security and communications coordination reasons. There is not much more I can say about this. I would suggest you ask your intelligence division to look a bit harder at the fallout of the Mito conflict last year if you wish to understand why that is the case. And Yarod Cool, you are sadly mistaken if you think the State has abandoned Tierjev, or if it has abandoned its people. The Brothers of Freedom have abandoned the greater good of the Caldari people -- just as you have. I am not surprised to see you also backing the recklessly provocative actions of Acheron, considering your reactionary stance -- thankfully, it seems cooler heads have prevailed in the Initiative and they are wisely staying out of the matter. The State does not meddle in the internal affairs of the Federation, it would behoove the Federation and its proxies to respond in kind. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
Ayari Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.07.15 17:29:00 - [126] Originally by: Reinherdt There actually have been several occasions, especially in Federation Space, not State space that you claim to be protecting, where APEX and CAIN pilots are working together and demonstrating manuvers that require Gang operations to complete. When attempting to find Acheron Federation targets in the very large operational zone they are flying in, CAIN are more than likely to cross paths more than once with APEX in the search for hostiles, given that Acheron Federation seems to be slightly more willing to engage APEX than ourselves. I can however confirm that at no point have APEX or CAIN members joined each other's fleets, nor have they engaged in voice communications to co-ordinate maneuvers. I hope this clears some things up.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.15 19:30:00 - [127] Gorion chuckles to himself I can asure you that APEX and CAIN are not operating under a shared leadership in this action. Very sure... ----- results may vary
Reinherdt Caldari Strix Armaments and Defence Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.07.16 00:01:00 - [128] Command may want to do internal investigations of their full roster then. While yes the events have not been done by the seeming senior pilots, this does not mean it has not happened by pilots lower on the duty roster... unless of course you can explain how ships can warp in from different areas and meet up in the exact same spot at an odd distance off of stations.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.16 02:07:00 - [129] Come now Mr. Reinherdt, is it that unussual for two seperate groups to show up in the same place when they are both looking for the same thing? As for the supposedly suspicious distances you are refering to there are countless possibilites as to how those could occur. Cloaked vessels, navicable stellar objects within your vicinity, errors in their Nav computors. Heck, even when "warping to 0" to large immobile objects such as stations and jumpgates how often do you land exaclty zero meters away? You'll find that to be not that often. ----- results may vary
Durrel Gahanan Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.16 03:19:00 - [130] Edited by: Durrel Gahanan on 16/07/2007 03:19:18 .
Laskin Veldstar Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.07.16 03:20:00 - [131] Edited by: Laskin Veldstar on 16/07/2007 03:22:04 Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Come now Mr. Reinherdt, is it that unussual for two seperate groups to show up in the same place when they are both looking for the same thing? As for the supposedly suspicious distances you are refering to there are countless possibilites as to how those could occur. Cloaked vessels, navicable stellar objects within your vicinity, errors in their Nav computors. Heck, even when "warping to 0" to large immobile objects such as stations and jumpgates how often do you land exaclty zero meters away? You'll find that to be not that often. But for several "uncoreagraphed" vessels to appear at the same* questionable distances? Space is rather large Mr. Wassenar so you might forgive me if I seem a bit skeptical of the coincidence of multiple vessels conveaning at the same predetermined distances as your comrades. * = Word edited for either spelling or grammar.
Father Abel Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.07.16 04:18:00 - [132] Edited by: Father Abel on 16/07/2007 04:21:53 Quote: But for several "uncoreagraphed" vessels to appear at the same* questionable distances? Space is rather large Mr. Wassenar so you might forgive me if I seem a bit skeptical of the coincidence of multiple vessels conveaning at the same predetermined distances as your comrades. You're quibbling over a minor point. CAIN and APEX Conglomerate have the same target. It would make all the sense in the world for us to coordinate our operations. There is no shame in it. There is no reason to deny it, if it were true. But it is not. You're free to believe whatever you so desire, but anyone who is even remotely familiar with the history between CAIN and APEX would find your conjectures laughable. _____________________ Father Abel - Lieutenant Caldari Independent Navy Reserve "Private property makes a free man a free man."
Usagi Tsukino Caldari APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.16 17:16:00 - [133] Originally by: Usagi Tsukino CAIN and APEX do not see eye to eye on a number of things, but they are not actively supporting the violent overthrow of our government. You are. Half dozen responses and you don't deny this. At any rate, I can assure you that if you see me around, you can be sure APEX is not jointly working with CAIN. Given my previous attitude towards the BoF and CAIN I have no doubt that they would rather shoot me before asking me to join their fleet. But in the end, as long as your ships are exploding and your terrorist supporting crews are being blown into space violently, I could care less whose missiles are causing it. Originally by: Yarod Cool APEX, think twice about this war. If people think you're tied up with CAIN, your image is going to take a beating. Well, we're not concerned about that as no one in their right mind would think that. This war could end right now if Acheron would just mind their own damned business. The BoF lost any legitimacy they had as a group interested in the peaceful change of our government when they resorted to violence. Please, oh please don't start with the CAIN started it nonsense. CAIN is not the State. The actions of three rogue pilots do not equal the actions of the State in general. If the BoF had simply been exiled, or were in hiding simply because of their beliefs, I very well could be bringing them food and medical supplies myself. But they weren't. They started riots that have killed thousands; thousands who were on the unfortunate end of necessary police action by the Navy and the Big 8. At this point the only food and medical supplies they are deserving of is whatever a Caldari prison provides them. --- Usagi Tsukino // Security Executive Gurista Trained... Caldari Loyal...
Sylus Grymme Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.07.16 17:20:00 - [134] Edited by: Sylus Grymme on 16/07/2007 17:23:02 Just so it's clear on what this topic is about: A Gallente paramilitary group who is supplying an anti-State Terrorist organization is crying foul because two Caldari corporations may or may not be working together to stop them? Am I missing something? The level of cooperation has definitely not reached the levels claimed but if it were true it would be a testament to both CAIN and APEX for putting their differences aside for the greater good of the State. Apparently dedicated service to something you truly believe in is a concept these Gallente paramilitaries do not understand. I suppose if we were fighting over Quafe, holoreels or access to some pleasure hub they would fight harder. edited for spelling
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.07.16 17:39:00 - [135] Originally by: Sylus Grymme Apparently dedicated service to something you truly believe in is a concept these Gallente paramilitaries do not understand. I suppose keeping the supply shipments running to those yearning for personal freedom rather than the tyranny of a corporate boot-heel while taking heavy losses to keep CAIN and APEX focus diverted elsewhere doesn't count as fighting for what we truly believe in. You astonish me. Or is it disgust, I can't really tell. --- We are Recruiting!
Jack Malus Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:21:00 - [136] Originally by: Sylus Grymme A Gallente paramilitary group who is supplying an anti-State Terrorist organization is crying foul because two Caldari corporations may or may not be working together to stop them? Not crying. Just pointing out for the folks that missed it that what you declare here may differ from what's actually happening in space. But I agree to your main point. Whether or not you're working together is not a big issue. I would be surprised if you were not working together actually. ---
Number 17 Caldari COLD-Wing Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.07.17 10:08:00 - [137] Edited by: Number 17 on 17/07/2007 10:10:07 Words, something you freedom lovers seem to love more than freedom itself, are just that: Words. On the other hand, actions, are not something that can be erased, changed, or taken back. Your actions are clear: terrorist support. You can call it humanitarian, harmless or whatever. The truth is you are meddling in foreign affairs and should know better. You try to divert attention with humanitarian issues or accusing CAIN, it doesn't matter. Your goals are pretty clear. Brothers of Freedom have tainted their cause by seeking federation help. In my opinion they now look like puppets to foreign interests.
Laskin Veldstar Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.07.17 11:47:00 - [138] I would be very interested to see how the pilots of CAIN and APEX would react if it were them or their families in the same situation as the Brothers of Freedom. Would they bow down the the heels of their corporate masters? Would they accept shame and humility? Old would they have the same fighting spirit they boast currently in space? Your abilities and passion for your cause are admirable. However, are they not more then just pride and stubbornness? Anyways, I have to make this brief, I will rant later.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.17 14:06:00 - [139] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 17/07/2007 14:08:19 Originally by: Jack Malus Not crying. Just pointing out for the folks that missed it that what you declare here may differ from what's actually happening in space. But I agree to your main point. Whether or not you're working together is not a big issue. I would be surprised if you were not working together actually. You're quite correct that this isn't a large issue, pilot, but at least among those of us who know the parties involved you won't get very far trying to weaken their credibility this way. As a former member of APEX, I have a pretty good idea what the situation is between the two companies, and the term "bad blood" doesn't even begin to cover it. If the two are cooperating in any way, as opposed to just operating in the same direction, it's probably with their noses pinched shut and much grinding of teeth. I can conceive of a couple pilots from CAIN that APEX would accept working with for a time; the reverse might likewise be possible on a short timescale. However, when the leadership says they're not working together, I believe them. The politics between them is undoubtedly some of the worst in the State, which is a pity if you ask me-- a waste of energy.
Gerrard DuNord	Posted - 2007.07.17 23:57:00 - [140] Time : Early yesterday morning Place: Eglennaert An Acheron fleet finds an APEX war target in system and begins to gather. Due to scattered forces and general early morning fatigue, the fleet is somewhat slow to get together. Father Abel, a CAIN pilot then appears in system. Over the next 20 minutes around 5 more APEX targets come to support their comrade. Eventually, after much sitting around, the original APEX target appears at a station and 2 Acheron battleships engage. Unsurpisingly all his friends warp in to support him. Amazingly a moment later Father Abel also warps in. After around 30 minutes in system he chooses the exact moment the APEX support fleet warp in to decide to check out that station? I'm afraid that coincidence is beyond belief. Make no mistake about it, whether the leadership care to admit it or not, or even sanction it, CAIN and APEX are regularly working togther. I had respect for my enemy due to CAINs excellent performance on the field of battle. That respect has been utterly eroded by the bold faced lies that have been told regarding this issue. Any right minded individual should treat anything that comes from the CAIN or APEX leadership with the suspision and contempt it deserves.
Galen Darksmith	Posted - 2007.07.18 01:04:00 - [141] CAIN, APEX, who GIVES a flyin' f*? Anyone who keep meddlin' fers outta th' State is doin' there job. Hell, I'd hope that they'd be willin' ta actually work together fer this kinda sh*. Kepp up th' good work, boys.
Dex Nederland Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.07.18 03:17:00 - [142] Edited by: Dex Nederland on 18/07/2007 03:18:04 Mr. DuNord you appear to be saying that a single lone CAIN pilot watched the situation develop until he saw APEX reinforcements arrive and thus provide more support both for himself and your intended prey. Now I am no expert on combat pod piloting, but it would appear that Lt Father Abel waited until there were sufficient friendly* forces to engage you instead of rushing in head long. You would have wanted him to come and attack your hunting party thus allowing you the opportunity to engage both him and your original target. As long as he stayed away from you until there were sufficient forces (be they CAIN, APEX or any other corp in opposition to you) it meant that you would 1) have to divide your forces to engage them both or 2) move to engage the LT thus ignoring your original target. So you actually did what you needed to do and so did he. You yourself said he watched for 20 minutes, waiting to see what you would do and possibly trying to get a CAIN patrol there. The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend thus at the moment CAIN and APEX are friends particular when you have a hunting party that they have both sighted in system. You are not the only ones watching the local channel. Statements made as member of the State War Academy*
Usagi Tsukino Caldari APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.18 07:54:00 - [143] Originally by: Gerrard DuNord Amazingly a moment later Father Abel also warps in. After around 30 minutes in system he chooses the exact moment the APEX support fleet warp in to decide to check out that station? Usagi, after a few moments manages to pull herself off the floor, tears still pouring from her eyes from the laughing fit she just endured. A lone CAIN ship flies in to see what all the APEX vessels are doing, and that indicates that we're working under a single command? If I was in system, I'd also fly in to see the blob of ships as well... Are CAIN/APEX pilots forbidden from watching? Seems like a good way for CAIN to gain intel on your ships. See what you're flying right now, see how your standing up to the enemy... You're priceless, sir. Originally by: Gerrard DuNord I'm afraid that coincidence is beyond belief. Make no mistake about it, whether the leadership care to admit it or not, or even sanction it, CAIN and APEX are regularly working togther. If thinking that helps you sleep at night... Originally by: Gerrard DuNord I had respect for my enemy due to CAINs excellent performance on the field of battle. That respect has been utterly eroded by the bold faced lies that have been told regarding this issue. I am sorry to say, but you (as in Acheron) are the only ones making an issue out of this. Well, me to I guess, but only because I am getting a perverse pleasure out of your flustered arm flailing about the issue. I could make issues out of your use of former Acheron members scouting for you. Using CONCORD protected pilots to do your dirty work is pretty nasty. Haven't seen any lately - though I haven't been looking - but I did indeed see at least one in the opening days of the war. Originally by: Gerrard DuNord Any right minded individual should treat anything that comes from the CAIN or APEX leadership with the suspision and contempt it deserves. You really are precious. Again, I'd like to point out that you've never challenged my accusation that you are supporting terrorists and murderers. We have no choice but take that as your intentions are not honorable and you are fully and without doubt, working to violently overthrow the legitimate government of the Caldari State. --- Usagi Tsukino // Security Executive Gurista Trained... Caldari Loyal...
Iyachtu Achlysiel Caldari Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.18 09:50:00 - [144] Originally by: Laskin Veldstar Edited by: Laskin Veldstar on 17/07/2007 14:17:43 I would be very interested to see how the pilots of CAIN and APEX would react if it were them or their families in the same situation as the Brothers of Freedom. Would they bow down the the heels of their corporate masters? Would they accept shame and humility? Or* would they have the same fighting spirit they boast currently in space? Your abilities and passion for your cause are admirable. However, are they not more then just pride and stubbornness? Obviously I have no right to speak for the pilots of either corporation, but since any true Caldari would answer your question the same way, my reply should suffice. If I were in position like theirs, I would obey my superiors without question, and instead of wasting my energy to shows of pointless resistance, pour every last drop of it to advancing within the system, to reach a station suitable for my skills and commitment. In other words, enter the same pitiless struggle that I had to endure to receive my pod pilot's license. This attitude shouldn't be so alien to you, either. As far as I understand, pod pilot schools and other elite academies of Federation are exquisitely meritocratic institutions. No doubt many pilots of Acheron Federation have had to work extremely hard to prove themselves worthy. How many seriously contemplated demanding entry quotas and other entitlements for the less capable on the basis of human equality, instead of simply doing whatever necessary to show that they are indeed better than others? Your culture, capitalist and meritocratic to a considerable degree, embraces the concrete truth of human inequality with one hand, yet keeps grasping for the abstract idea of equality with other. You are a house divided against itself. We are not. * Reality is a lie. *
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.07.18 11:20:00 - [145] Originally by: Laskin Veldstar I would be very interested to see how the pilots of CAIN and APEX would react if it were them or their families in the same situation as the Brothers of Freedom. Would they bow down the the heels of their corporate masters? Would they accept shame and humility? Or* would they have the same fighting spirit they boast currently in space? Your abilities and passion for your cause are admirable. However, are they not more then just pride and stubbornness? Anyways, I have to make this brief, I will rant later. If my family was leading an armed insurrection against the Caldari State at the behest of foreign interests, I would demand their immediate arrest and do anything within my power to assist the authorities in bringing them to justice. Who they are does not change the duty I swore to the State and the billions of other citizens within its borders. The Brothers of Freedom are criminals, terrorists, and foreign agents. You and your compatriots have made no attempt to deny any of this, yet you continue to supply them with everything they need to continue their campaign of violence. The fact that the Federation and its proxies continue to try to paint this as a humanitarian tragedy is disingenuous, even disgusting. It is not the State that has turned its back on these people, it is the Brothers of Freedom who have turned their backs on the State -- they have attacked the civil order integral to keeping the State secure at every level, going so far as to try and seize a Navy carrier. If this was happening in the Federation, I doubt very much that we would be seeing any different a response from Federation authorities. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.07.18 11:31:00 - [146] And yet, there was no insurrection. There was no violence. CAIN and Guardian Shadows are to blame for the violence that ensued, after destroying a freighter full of protestors, who by all accounts planned a peaceful protest. Are you actually suprised this has enfuriated the Brothers and countless Caldari to the point where peaceful protests turned into violent riots? The violence in Caldari space right now is blood on YOUR hands, yours and the Guardian Shadows. --- We are Recruiting!
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.07.18 12:03:00 - [147] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat And yet, there was no insurrection. There was no violence. CAIN and Guardian Shadows are to blame for the violence that ensued, after destroying a freighter full of protestors, who by all accounts planned a peaceful protest. Are you actually suprised this has enfuriated the Brothers and countless Caldari to the point where peaceful protests turned into violent riots? The violence in Caldari space right now is blood on YOUR hands, yours and the Guardian Shadows. If living in denial will help you sleep at night, Thuul, continue to do so. The evidence that has come to light in recent weeks seems to be rather contrary to your assertion, however. The Reserve has not denied that the New Caldari incident was a tragic mistake that should have never happened -- but it seems clear that the Brothers of Freedom likely sent those people with the express purpose of either starting a riot on the CEP station or to die as "martyrs" to the cause. The BoF had warships in New Caldari, and enough money to purchase a freighter -- why were there no escorts of their own? We have seen that the Brothers of Freedom have been stockpiling weapons for over a year now -- were these for peaceful protests? Were they planning to use the Chimera they attempted to seize to distribute flowers and candy, perhaps? Their agenda has been to cause violence and instability in the State from day one. The biggest regret I have is that the Reserve inadvertently moved their plan along. You are considerably smarter than this, admiral, and your own alliance is suffering horribly at the hands of Reserve fleets. I have repeatedly stated that we have no vendetta against you or your organization -- do the smart thing, the right thing, and end your support for these terrorists. You can end this war that has killed so many on both sides at any time. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.07.18 12:34:00 - [148] Originally by: Svetlana Scarlet If living in denial will help you sleep at night, Thuul, continue to do so. I would say the one living in denial is you Captain Scarlet Originally by: Svetlana Scarlet The BoF had warships in New Caldari, and enough money to purchase a freighter -- why were there no escorts of their own? The fact that they did not send an escort only goes to show the ship was civilian. Why should an unarmed freighter carrying unarmed civilians need an escort in empire space? Did you find any weapons in the wreckage? Oh.. I forgot. You destroyed the wreck to get rid of the evidence. Originally by: Svetlana Scarlet We have seen that the Brothers of Freedom have been stockpiling weapons for over a year now -- were these for peaceful protests? Care to prove this? Originally by: Svetlana Scarlet Were they planning to use the Chimera they attempted to seize to distribute flowers and candy, perhaps? Their agenda has been to cause violence and instability in the State from day one. The biggest regret I have is that the Reserve inadvertently moved their plan along. Again, this happened AFTER the massacre of New Caldari. It was proved that the State and it's paramilitaries would not allow peaceful protests against corporate opression. A desperate man often use desperate measures. Originally by: Svetlana Scarlet You are considerably smarter than this, admiral, and your own alliance is suffering horribly at the hands of Reserve fleets. With the exception of 3 initial battles where we quite correctly took some heavy losses, I would hardly consider us to suffer horribly. Originally by: Svetlana Scarlet I have repeatedly stated that we have no vendetta against you or your organization -- do the smart thing, the right thing, and end your support for these terrorists. You can end this war that has killed so many on both sides at any time. It will not happen. If the Brothers ask us to stop our aid to them, we will do so, but so far it is welcomed. CAIN will not dictate Acheron Federation policy, and certainly not do so through violence. --- We are Recruiting!
Cypher Deus	Posted - 2007.07.18 14:42:00 - [149] Where is the evidence to support these claims that the Brothers of Freedom staged the Transporter destruction, or that they were on their way to instigate a riot ? It was the Reserve and the Guardian Shadows who obliterated the Transporter such that no suitable evidence has been extracted from it - if you were wary of the intentions of the Brothers of Freedom then the correct thing to do would have been to take prisoners/gather evidence to support this, not to completely destroy the source of evidence! Where is the evidence that the Brothers of Freedom have been stockpiling weapons and have been planning to cause violence and instability ? It is perhaps unsurprising that the initial action by the Caldari State para-militaries has led to rioting, led by a ground-swelling of opinion against the corruption of the State. It is wrong to label this as an attempt at insurrection, and also to label those who led the original peaceful protest as terrorists. The only reason for such exaggerations can be to justify the callously violent manner in which the State is attempting to deal with this situation. The State appears to be unwilling to supply aid to those affected by these riots, and so until such time as they do the Acheron Federation will continue it's humanitarian aid convoys. Indeed the State sponsors para-military organisations whose goal appears to be to prevent any humanitarian aid reaching those Caldari citizens affected by these riots.
DarkNicodimus Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.07.21 01:05:00 - [150] Usagi Tuskino Quote: I could make issues out of your use of former Acheron members scouting for you. Using CONCORD protected pilots to do your dirty work is pretty nasty. Haven't seen any lately - though I haven't been looking - but I did indeed see at least one in the opening days of the war. Would you care to elaborate on this statement.Maybe back it up with some names??

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