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Viro Melchior
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:08:00 -
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The following is a quote from another forum, raising some valid points and exemplifying the attitude many players who are "experienced" without being truly old players, or members of many of the major alliances, have voiced. Thread was about whether BoB has been exploiting a new (or possibly just newly discovered) de-sync bug. The identity of the original poster is protected due to in-game affiliations. I've added small quotes in to help connect the dots for random tangents. ****
Quote: In response to a poster's PoV that BoB is doing well because of failure to achieve competency in enemy fleets in lieu of the "bob are the cheaters/hackers" posts.
You are asking us to look at us and see if we are the cause of bob winning? And maybe we should just admit it and just lie down and be quiet basically? Submit as it really was our own fault that BOb became so powerful? Ok, first of all lets look at other examples. The allegations of Bob cheating are nothing new. Bob cheating and lying on its killboard about kill sand losses has been going on for years (I'll give an example from my own experiences later if I have time). Now lets look at other orginisations, that were powerful in PVP? G? Noone ever accused them of cheating. The 5? People hated their guts but they never were seriously accused of cheating either. Bob? Seen as a ******* joke till late last year and accused of cheating all the time.
Now you are asking us to looks at our perceptions? Ok how come people have said that if they go up against anyone else, the lag is nothing compared to the lag when fighting BOB? These are PVP-experienced people, they would know these things. How come no-one ever has frapsed other people shooting though POS shields For example? And if you say BOB is no longer cheating.. I ask you, why did they stop? Whats in it for them to stop cheating now when it was such a successful strategy for them up till now? No leopard changes its spots without pain and unless they have to. Bob has literally been let away with murder up till now and from the TCF thread are still being let away with murder. When the Pos bowling crap started not only did CCP say it was fine they reset Control towers to the warp in point so as to make it really easy for bob to drop a titan right on the tower itself? I can see no reason for bob to stop cheating at this time if they cheated before. None. Ergo unless Mollie has had a "Road to Damascus" experiance somewhere then they are still cheating if they were before.
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Viro Melchior
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:09:00 -
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Edited by: Viro Melchior on 02/07/2007 04:11:05
Quote: The poster being replied to claimed to have joined into BoB and after a few months, found now evidence of activity against the EULA or TOA.
Now lets turn to you. I surmise that you went into bob thinking that hey these guys are going to be doing something magically different then anyone else. You were going to learn what the super tactics the way of flying, what was the thing that made them win the whole time something that made THIS organization special.. and to your near horror you could not find anything different in BoB that you hadn't seen anywhere else. They did things the same way, the fought the same way as all the other PVP alliances you were in. There simply was no reason for them to be so successful as opposed to other pvp alliances. There are 2 different ways to react to this (a) think that there is something seriously wrong here or (b) search for something, anything , even if its very vague and seize on that and then turn and blame everyone else for being crap, somehow. SO you said that its because they all are experienced PVPers that know tactics. I've heard other people who have left bob saying BOB were nothing special, just that they more disciplined. And I've heard other people who have left bob saying that they were not that great full stop and they hated it. In other words you siezed on the only explanation that made sense and you built your opinion on everyone and everything else else around it, because the alternative is that the game actually is rigged to high heaven, at which point there really is no point playing.
Its easy to blame everyone else in this situation because its the only thing that makes sense for your perceptions all around you that bob simply is nothing special, ergo that they should not have been so successful. Ergo its everyone else fault for not having the tactics to deal with BOB
Quote: Previously a post had been brought up regarding BoB's strict procedures (undocumented) regarding logging in after node crashes, with finger pointing towards BoB/CCP relationships that would give inside info about how the node crash, restart, and logins were handled from the server side (and how that info would give an unfair advantage to one side plus being unobtainable to general players).
Now I noticed you did not respond to my comments about the standard strict procedures they follow in situations like a node crash. Did I perhaps touch a nerve?
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Viro Melchior
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:10:00 -
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Saved 2 for continuing quote
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Sochin
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:10:00 -
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God you are ********.
Every time I think of getting active in this game again, I come back to these forums and realize how ******* stupid this community has become.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:12:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 02/07/2007 04:11:15
Originally by: Viro Melchior When the Pos bowling crap started not only did CCP say it was fine they reset Control towers to the warp in point so as to make it really easy for bob to drop a titan right on the tower itself? I can see no reason for bob to stop cheating at this time if they cheated before. None. Ergo unless Mollie has had a "Road to Damascus" experiance somewhere then they are still cheating if they were before.
Why do people talk about things they have no idea about?
Do you even know who invented POS bowling? It was IAC, not BoB.
Do you know who was petitioned for POS bowling and told never to do it again or get banned? Band of Brothers.
Do you know who did it anyways after the petition? Evil Thug, of AAA, who the GMs apparently changed their mind for, after which BoB started POS bowling again because AAA had already stolen carriers from BoB using it, so they figured if AAA can do it, it must be allowed..
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Hectic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:13:00 -
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I agree with you Sochin mon, the community is not what it was when we started.
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Viro Melchior
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:14:00 -
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Give me time to finishing getting the edited version included in here with proper lengths. Yes, I do know that POS bowling originated with IAC, or have at least heard those accusations as well as the "BoB bowled" ones too. I'm just reposting from a thread that successfully voiced many valid points in order to get some discussion.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sochin God you are ********.
Every time I think of getting active in this game again, I come back to these forums and realize how ******* stupid this community has become.
Yay! one less BoB!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yay! I can come up with good ideas too! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=548436&page=2 |
Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sochin God you are ********.
Every time I think of getting active in this game again, I come back to these forums and realize how ******* stupid this community has become.
Hey wait does that mean you dont have an active account? Cause yer not sposed to post if u dont...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yay! I can come up with good ideas too! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=548436&page=2 |
Viro Melchior
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:23:00 -
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Not to barrage the BoB trolls (I can't think of anything else to blame for 2 BoB players seeing this post within 10 minutes of the post and posting completely useless **** responses) - but....
This *is* what is thought of your alliance by *many* players. Too much has happened in the past, and yet another new issue has come up that from everything I've heard has been "poo-pooed" by the GMs handling complaints while BoB remains the only group with knowledge (in the event that it is intentional, which all signs point to when considering loginski speed) on how to cause the de-sync. Since it's an "unintentional game mechanic" and the de-sync happens server side from the evidence available, no OTHER group of players (or at least nobody without a Dev friend) is capable of finding out how to do this, or even how to defend against it.
That creates an unfair game balance, and worse, it tilts it in favor of the alliance that's already "winning" (more than anyone else) at the game.
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Alis Aquilae
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:28:00 -
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You are completely out of your mind, or suffer from selective amnesia. Nearly every succesful alliance in this game has had the "hax" claim thrown at them at one time or another.
As far as BoB abusing a desync bug, considering they lost an entire fleet to desync several days ago, I am not so sure of your claims.
The rest of your post is just trolling. Admirable trolling though.. claiming BoB hax, talking about MSN, t20, etc, is really new and creative. Thumbs up imo.
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Jaikar Isillia
The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:29:00 -
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Edited by: Jaikar Isillia on 02/07/2007 04:28:46
Originally by: Viro Melchior Edited by: Viro Melchior on 02/07/2007 04:23:01 Not to barrage the BoB trolls (I can't think of anything else to blame for 2 BoB players seeing this post within 10 minutes of the post and posting completely useless **** responses) - but....
This *is* what is thought of your alliance by *many* players. Too much has happened in the past, and yet another new issue has come up that from everything I've heard has been "poo-pooed" by the GMs handling complaints while BoB remains the only group with knowledge (in the event that it is intentional, which all signs point to when considering loginski speed) on how to cause the de-sync. Since it's an "unintentional game mechanic" Whand the de-sync happens server side from the evidence available, no OTHER group of players (or at least nobody without a Dev friend) is capable of finding out how to do this, or even how to defend against it.
That creates an unfair game balance, and worse, it tilts it in favor of the alliance that's already "winning" (more than anyone else) at the game.
Edit: PS - Thanks to the FIX member for actually posting sentences with content.
He is right in saying that BoB have a strong reputation of being liars and cheaters.
Which is something that has a detrimental affect on the future growth of EVE.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:35:00 -
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Your 'theories' make BoB look good.
And I hate BoB.
Then you get the idea just how bad your posts are.
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Dau Imperius
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Hectic I agree with you Sochin mon, the community is not what it was when we started.
I've been telling you all this for 4 1/2 years. Hindsight is 20/20, foresight is blind.
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Rauth Kivaro
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.07.02 04:37:00 -
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1. Do not crosspost. 2. Do not troll. 3. Click.
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