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Droofy	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:27:00 - [1] some random question : Can someone living in China connect to TQ from there ? Or is he forced to connect to the chinese one instead ? If yes, does that mean someone moving in China, say for work, is forced to connect to the chinese server ? Thanks for the answers.
Halca Mutually Assured Distraction Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:28:00 - [2] It will depend on the client used to connect I imagine.
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:31:00 - [3] should be specific but no u can connect from china to TQ despite the lawas sn licensening agreement
Xtreem Gallente Firestorm Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:32:00 - [4] will depends on the client as to what ip address it looks to for connection status, taking TQ's client will allow connection to TQ, however you will bounce around the world quite a bit so you might notice soem slow down.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:35:00 - [5] I just had a person interview to join my corp that said he lived in Taiwan. Not China I know (which may be different due to Chinese law) but certainly geographically very close. So if there is something prohibiting people over there from joining TQ I do not think mere geographic location is what does it.
Reithan Caldari LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:43:00 - [6] Well, the media tells me that China is a communist nation with strict anti-information policies to keep their citizens happy ith what they give them and that they regulate their internet feircly - so I'd guess that no - you can't connect to European game servers from China.
Reithan Caldari LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:47:00 - [7] Then again - who trusts the media?
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.07.02 13:35:00 - [8] you can, but you need to go through a proxy server. and yes, the chinese government has the world's BEST spyware system in the world. My opinion is my own, not of my corp or my alliance. If you have problems, we can have a "who can do L4 missions faster" duel >:)
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.07.02 13:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Droofy Can someone living in China connect to TQ from there ? Or is he forced to connect to the chinese one instead ? If yes, does that mean someone moving in China, say for work, is forced to connect to the chinese server ? Legally (from the Chinese law point of view), if EVE was one of the blocked items on the "public list", no. I am not sure wether it's the case, but seing how CCP had to open up shop in China with a separate cluster, one can only conclude that indeed, EVE is one of the "blocked things" too. Neither a Chinese nor a non-Chinese residing in China should attempt to bypass governmental firewalling to gain access to "the outside world" internet and related services... unless, of course, he gets a special permission to do so (and I'm quite sure they wouldn't give it out lightly). You might assume however (using the abused stereotype of "chinese goldfarmer") that they would allow connections for purpose of farming... but that's going a step too far, IMHO... is it ? Ileggaly, though, that's a completely different matter. It should be possible (albeit difficult, and with nasty consequences if caught) to do it. Doesn't mean you should try it, quite the opposite. Would you want to risk jailtime for playing a game ? I know I wouldn't. Char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
ZeeWolf Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.02 14:05:00 - [10] Speaking off the China server, does any one know where I can find the Territory Maps for Eve China? It would be interesting to see what regions are under dispute over there.
lansha Prison Break Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.02 14:33:00 - [11] Edited by: lansha on 02/07/2007 14:32:14 you could use this to see if your fav websites are blocked. just tried www.eve-online.com and it's blocked so doubt you'll be able to connect to TQ an enemy of an enemy is a friend
Zeonos Amarr Fairtrade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.02 16:14:00 - [12] censor is baaaaad! a country shouldn't control what its residents can browse, or do. just cause some f***leader or whomever do this decide it, the people shouldn't follow. besides, cant they just use a proxy server?.. i would move from china if i lived there..
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.02 17:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Zeonos censor is baaaaad! a country shouldn't control what its residents can browse, or do. just cause some f***leader or whomever do this decide it, the people shouldn't follow. besides, cant they just use a proxy server?.. i would move from china if i lived there.. ROFL: You're making a lot of assumptions here! This is CHINA, not the USA or some other country where you actually have things like Freedom and Rights! So: China does indeed censor/control its populace. They've been doing it for ... oh ... Recorded History? The Communists are certainly continuing it. And its not just one leader...its a Political System. Disregarding the laws in China tends to get you executed, so no to the Proxy Server idea. And I bet you can't 'choose to leave' either.
ZeeWolf Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.02 17:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Princess Jodi ROFL: You're making a lot of assumptions here! This is CHINA, not the USA or some other country where you actually have things like Freedom and Rights! So: China does indeed censor/control its populace. They've been doing it for ... oh ... Recorded History? The Communists are certainly continuing it. And its not just one leader...its a Political System. Disregarding the laws in China tends to get you executed, so no to the Proxy Server idea. And I bet you can't 'choose to leave' either. Besides, what you don't know, won't harm you. Its a big, bad world out there.
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.02 18:04:00 - [15] Yeah I heard about another MMO - planetside - that had to open a separate cluster over there and rewrite some of the back story so that democracy wasn't mentioned. I assume the same holds true for CCP. Why are you still reading? Its over. Continue to the next post.
Caios Caldari Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.02 18:37:00 - [16] Edited by: Caios on 02/07/2007 18:38:37 Edited by: Caios on 02/07/2007 18:36:47 Originally by: Princess Jodi Originally by: Zeonos censor is baaaaad! a country shouldn't control what its residents can browse, or do. just cause some f***leader or whomever do this decide it, the people shouldn't follow. besides, cant they just use a proxy server?.. i would move from china if i lived there.. ROFL: You're making a lot of assumptions here! This is CHINA, not the USA or some other country where you actually have things like Freedom and Rights! So: China does indeed censor/control its populace. They've been doing it for ... oh ... Recorded History? The Communists are certainly continuing it. And its not just one leader...its a Political System. Disregarding the laws in China tends to get you executed, so no to the Proxy Server idea. And I bet you can't 'choose to leave' either. It's ironic that the only ones who really fall for CCP (and I don't mean the company) propoganda are westerners. TQ's accessible. Oh, no doubt it's on some list or other for blocked sites. But there's a big difference in that country between laws that are on the books and laws that actually get enforced (and for that matter, "laws" that aren't on the books but do get enforced, unfortunatly ). Yeah, there's censorship, but if it were enforced to the extent that it's actually effective, then the country would be bankrupt, and if they shot every violator they found, the country wouldn't be overpopulated. And proxies, are actually not that hard to get if you know where to look. Hell, some programs have TV commercials in HK and TW. My favorite is one where they show this giant hammer and sickled being blown up by the "Fire Phoenix," the name of the proxy program. Of course, this is all marketted strictly towards "visitors" only. How do I know this? Friends and acquaintances, long term and nearterm on the mainland who play EVE. I've never tried logging when I visit, but finagling access to some other stuff isn't that difficult. Though I get funny looks from the people sitting next to me in the cafe.
Reithan Caldari LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.07.02 18:53:00 - [17] My fav. recent funfact from, I think it was CNN? They sampled Chinese people in China asking about the Tienamen Square (sp?) incident - no one even knew what they were talking about. Totally removed from history over there.
Caios Caldari Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.02 18:57:00 - [18] Edited by: Caios on 02/07/2007 18:58:45 Edited by: Caios on 02/07/2007 18:56:49 Originally by: Reithan My fav. recent funfact from, I think it was CNN? They sampled Chinese people in China asking about the Tienamen Square (sp?) incident - no one even knew what they were talking about. Totally removed from history over there. wonder if they were asking the right questions, or doing it in a way that would have elicited a more honest reponse. "six four," the date the **** went down, is talked about in almost the same way that nine eleven is here in the states. What did so and so do after six four, he left for the states after six four, etc. it is a bit insulting to their intelligence to imply that nobody in that country knows what's going on, especially with the huge gaping holes the government leaves in its net.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:03:00 - [19] Edited by: Patch86 on 02/07/2007 19:02:51 Originally by: lansha Edited by: lansha on 02/07/2007 14:32:14 you could use this to see if your fav websites are blocked. just tried www.eve-online.com and it's blocked so doubt you'll be able to connect to TQ Lol, testing that tool, the ONLY website I could find that was accepted was the Red Flag Linux Chinese Language page. Even the Official English Language page is blocked --------
Caios Caldari Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:11:00 - [20] Edited by: Caios on 02/07/2007 19:12:40 The blocking's content based, and pretty dynamic. So one day the BBC would be unblocked, but the next it won't, based on the wording of the articles. Eve forums might be blocked now due to this thread, but just to make sure: falun gong falun dafa tibet tiananmen massacre china democracy taiwan independance falun gong falun dafa tibet tiananmen massacre china democracy taiwan independance there. only way to tell if a site is permablocked, unfortunatley is to fly out and punch it in. hell, even then, you might get different results depending on whether you're doing it from a cafe, private home or a hotel (or which hotel, even). if you find a way around it, i wouldn't worry too much about the People's Armed Police breaking down the door and dragging you off, especially if you've got a foreign passport.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:15:00 - [21] So china blocks based on words? Tienamen Square, democracy, freedom, human rights, liberty. There. No one in China can read this post.
Caios Caldari Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:22:00 - [22] Originally by: voogru So china blocks based on words? Tienamen Square, democracy, freedom, human rights, liberty. There. No one in China can read this post. You're not doing it right. =P Because Tiananmen Square could be a lovely tourist attraction in a country ruled by the principals of socialist democracy that upholds freedom and liberty in its constitution (this is actually true, interestingly enough, just that the constitution has always been ignored), and promises the world a showcase of progressive human rights during the olympics.
Reithan Caldari LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:37:00 - [23] Originally by: Caios Edited by: Caios on 02/07/2007 18:58:45 Edited by: Caios on 02/07/2007 18:56:49 Originally by: Reithan My fav. recent funfact from, I think it was CNN? They sampled Chinese people in China asking about the Tienamen Square (sp?) incident - no one even knew what they were talking about. Totally removed from history over there. wonder if they were asking the right questions, or doing it in a way that would have elicited a more honest reponse. "six four," the date the **** went down, is talked about in almost the same way that nine eleven is here in the states. What did so and so do after six four, he left for the states after six four, etc. it is a bit insulting to their intelligence to imply that nobody in that country knows what's going on, especially with the huge gaping holes the government leaves in its net. IIRC - it was college students they were asking - though - as I stated above - you can hardly beleive anything the media says anyway.
Caios Caldari Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:46:00 - [24] Edited by: Caios on 02/07/2007 19:45:51 Originally by: Reithan Originally by: Caios Edited by: Caios on 02/07/2007 18:58:45 Edited by: Caios on 02/07/2007 18:56:49 Originally by: Reithan My fav. recent funfact from, I think it was CNN? They sampled Chinese people in China asking about the Tienamen Square (sp?) incident - no one even knew what they were talking about. Totally removed from history over there. wonder if they were asking the right questions, or doing it in a way that would have elicited a more honest reponse. "six four," the date the **** went down, is talked about in almost the same way that nine eleven is here in the states. What did so and so do after six four, he left for the states after six four, etc. it is a bit insulting to their intelligence to imply that nobody in that country knows what's going on, especially with the huge gaping holes the government leaves in its net. IIRC - it was college students they were asking - though - as I stated above - you can hardly beleive anything the media says anyway. Actually, it's believable, since college kids are more likely to know what could get them the wrong kind of attention from the government. I was a barely coherent little kid in the states when it happened, and even I remember getting dragged on a roadtrip to take part in a support rally, and the candlelight vigil that happened a few days later. Believe me, they know. Edit: i really need to stop whoring this topic, but it's one that strikes a personal cord and I'm bored at work. nevertheless, i'll shut up now.
Druadan Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Black Lotus Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:48:00 - [25] Surely the Great Firewall would prevent it. "A witty saying proves nothing" - Voltaire

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