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Theodore Brintle
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Posted - 2004.01.22 05:26:00 -
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Edited by: Theodore Brintle on 22/01/2004 05:27:48
Kal,
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Well well Theodre my old freind, never knew finger pointing was part of the MBB now. Am sure there were MANY more amar maggots in XETIC an Immensia then there r in the CA.
We also left IF/XETIC, and the number of Amarr corporations within it was one of the primary reasons. One thing I am emphatically not is a collaborator. I haven't pointed any fingers, but you certainly have.
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May i remind u all of the sheer amount of years that have past since the matari were 1st raided for slaves. Remind u that THEY killed ALL those that resisted, turned mindcontrollers on others an introduced VITOC as a controller. WHen the emporer *spits* released over a million slaves most were still on VITOC, that day he signed there death warrents an they all died in horrible painful deaths and THAT is y i will kill amar maggots without mercy cause they deserve nothing less.
U talk of Genocide, they have done fair fair worse over the years than we r doing now.
NEVER FORGET THAT.
Such venom for a freeborn. Some of us were not as lucky as you and still manage to keep our tempers in civil debate with those we call brother.
Might I also remind you that I am not your enemy, I was even your friend, and that I have supported the actions of the freedom fighters even when I disagree with them on one minor issue or another. If your aim is to destroy the Amarr Empire, or to beat it so badly that they are forced to stop using our brethren as livestock, then you have my support and the support of many others. Genocide is worse than what they have done. If they had merely wiped us out, we would not be here. We would not have built a glorious republic and would not be having this debate and you would not be destroying vessels of Amarr origin. The distinction would be moot, since all vessels would be Amarrian.
My reason for writing here originally was the impression of genocide that I garnered from the earlier posts and to make it clear about my stance on genocide. It was not to be insulted or belittled by my brothers, both of which have been the result.
To become what your enemy is is to grant ultimate victory to said enemy. Replace heartless men and women with new heartless men and women and you have done nothing but shift geography. Stay true to your principles, but don't lose your soul, Kal. Remember that we are the tribes of Matar, not some sallow-cheeked slaver pig who can't lift a cup without calling for a slave to assist him. We do not need to sink to their level (or beneath it) to deliver our people to freedom.
T. Brintle
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Corwin
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Posted - 2004.01.22 05:38:00 -
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This thread has strayed from it's starting question. Closing it.
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Lady Drakmarr
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Posted - 2004.01.22 18:00:00 -
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This Topic has been re-opened for discussion. Prior moderation was based on the feeling that the subject matter of the discussion was going off topic.
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Viqer Fell
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Posted - 2004.01.22 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Viqer Fell on 22/01/2004 19:47:50
double post sorry
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Viqer Fell
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Posted - 2004.01.22 19:47:00 -
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A freedom fighter does not have the luxury of political expediency in choosing their allies or their actions.
Exactly my point Prophecy. This is not political expediency in any way shape or form. We fought for 6 months alone and unaided for our people in the Heimatar region. During this period we were able to effectively fight within a fleet of frigates and cruisers whilst our enemy (the empire) grew ever stronger. Over that time we killed many and destroyed much that was of value to the Empire.
During this time the only other Minmatar group aiding our fight in any notable fashion was Oracle. It is infuriating to hear people like Prophecy spit their posion against us when they have done nothing but snipe from the sidelines.
I have lost my family, my friends and my people to the accursed Amarr. I will not forgive nor forget. The crimes they have perpetrated against my people put them beyond redemption.
I will destroy the empires property and kill its pilots until such time as the Empire abolishes slavery. In making my statement that "I will kill you all" It was merely to say that I believe that slavery will never be abolished by the empire no matter what. So the only solution really is to kill you all!
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Yarda Do'Urden
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Posted - 2004.01.22 20:07:00 -
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First off all thank you Lady Drakmarr.
Second let it be clear that im not for genocide. So in that case i wont support the PFOM. But as i said elsewhere i totally understand your way of thinking, i witnessed slavery so i know where i speak of. However i shall do everything within my power to help you stop the slavery once and for all. If you want my help or not is not important to me but the eventual goal is.
Fleet Admiral Yarda Do'Urden
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Prophecy
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Posted - 2004.01.22 20:46:00 -
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You are handing victory to your foes Viqer, by becoming as great a monster as they. Your words and deeds shame all Minmatar. If we become worse then our enemies, all we will ever gain is the enmity of the honourable.
You will not experience my aid, for I do not associate with the corrupt. My actions and my battles are of my own choosing.
I have already participated in the emancipation of slaves. I am young yet, but as my strength grows, so shall my deeds. And that fight will never be tainted by the hypocracy you are so easy to excuse in yourself.
I do not understand what 'sidelines' you are speaking of, fallen brother, as you huddle in Curse with your Amarr allies in your Angel stations. My home and my center is among my people, in Minmatar.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.01.23 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 23/01/2004 01:15:35
Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 23/01/2004 01:14:48
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The Curse Alliance is free of members who practice slaver/slaves/vitoc trade
I sold a slave for 1million isk to a Curse Alliance member
So, if he was buying the slave from me, wouldnt that make him a participant in the slave industry as a buyer?
Give me a name and a screenshot of that and i may belive you, otherwise spew your filth elsewhere.
And dont go saying he was buying it so he could free it, as I could rightfully turn around and say the same thing.
And incase BH rolls thru here
Yes BH, if you ask, I will get you a screen shot of the transaction and the name of the person with his corp info blah blah blah whatever. All you gotta do is ask son
Then come forth with the screenshoot and the name foul Deathwing. Or else spew your filth elsewhere.
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.01.23 01:35:00 -
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Have to admit to being pretty disappointed in PFM's blanket policy towards us Ni Kunni.
Shame really. A good many Ni Kunni look to break the shackles of the bigots sat in Kor-Azor's halls.
I thought better of you Mr Fell. Perhaps time will moderate your views
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Yarda Do'Urden
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Posted - 2004.01.23 06:52:00 -
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I totally agree with you, Azure 
Fleet Admiral Yarda Do'Urden
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Asimir Kurdugal
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Posted - 2004.01.23 07:18:00 -
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And i am also curious that Oracle corp members are answering a thread clearly entitled:-
"a question to the peoples front of minmatar"
when it would appear your foreign policies are very different.
Miss prophecy mentioned Oracle specifically, therefore, I felt obliged to respond.
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You may conveniently distance yourself from their philosophy. But you are nonetheless responsible for the support that you provide them. As well as to the other members of your alliance.
I have long been a believer that we as a people should accept, if not embrace, whatever method we may choose to fight the good fight. As mentioned, Czin's Arm would attack any Amarr on sight and feast on their flesh. I councelled them against it, but never tried to stand in their way. If you are ashamed of your bretheren, why fight for them?
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But you long ago lost the right to claim that you represent anything more than your own interests.
I would like this statement qualified. Since our inception we have fought those who would oppress us, and continue to do so. In empire space, and elsewhere. I can think of no other group of freedom fighters who can make that claim, except the People's Front.
If you look at confirmed kills lists for corporations like PIE, the majority of names are Oracle and People's Front pilots. We are sacrificing and dieing daily in support of the cause you say we have abandoned. Look past the filth that is said about us by our enemies and see the truth.
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Starquinia
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Posted - 2004.01.23 12:26:00 -
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Just to add my 0.02 isk woth.
So far we have a lot on the Ni-kunni. What of the Ammatar?
Personally I think that they are the worst of all, Minmatar with Amarran ambitions, aping them and hence holding Minmatar slaves. I find this both aberrent and abhorrent.
Which is why, I suppose, I shoot the Ammatar Navy a lot
Yet some hope for reconciliation with them with the hope that we unite and then attack the Empire.
So where should we go from here?
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.01.23 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Randuin MaraL on 23/01/2004 14:18:01
Tis nice to see this topic reopened ... so I can finally throw my personal 2/100 isk in.
Ni-Kunni - as formerly (and still) enslaved people they should (and do) understand the matari needs and motivation to rebalance the universe and to free our brethren from slavery. Those who do I acknowledge and hold in esteem.
Ammatar - the tribe that betrayed our people, collaborating with the oppressors - and still does! Their rulers I despite and curse: May the sand eat their flesh away, may their souls never leave Cizins Hells of Fire!
A genocide? Of course not. The rebalancing of the universe is not based on such a thing. But those who stand in the path will be swept away.
2/100 isk that might go for the MBB as well as for myself.
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.01.23 14:27:00 -
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(although the word "Backbone" seems a little misplaced in your corporation)
Tyto
Brother, do you really think it a good move to say this? This will call the question of 'Does the "Peoples Front" really encompass the matari people?' - a question I do not want to be forced to raise.
:bow:
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.01.23 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: AsheRaven on 23/01/2004 14:39:39
Currently Oracle is getting more respect from me than the PFoM. Neohazard will not support Genocide or blanket racsiam. Amarrians like Ashka and Ni-Kunni like Azure have impressed me with their determination and zeal to speakout against the blind zealotry of their supieror, so if anything happens to them Without clear and good reason, which includes the abborant trade in slaves will have to answer a lot of questions, and I shallsee to it that they are aswered, one way or another.
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Ciar Meara
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Posted - 2004.01.23 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ciar Meara on 23/01/2004 22:22:01
Interesting to see first of all a few observations:
Tyto pfom
although it may be distasteful or difficult for us to remain in the CA due to the proximity of a small number of members who are Amarrian, the benefits to our organisation, and thus the Minmatar race in the long term give us the strength to deal with that.
We don't like it, but the strength of Curse gives us more ability to do our duty.
Sqalevon Oracle Corp
The Curse Alliance is free of members who practice slaver/slaves/vitoc trade, thus it would obviously be smarter to fight the big ones ( PIE / SA / EVOL ( hence Deathwing )) first.
How ver Interesting to see, I am shure the whole of the Curse alliance and their Amarr pilots would be very reassured by these comments, I just wouldn't want to be inthere and Amarr right now, never know when they might turn.
Second of all, it seems the Minmatar is at it again, clawing at eacothers necks like beast, Matari Backbone against PFOM and Oracle all claim to be freedom fighters yet none is able to stand the other...
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.01.24 03:42:00 -
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Ciar I already told them the CA isnt free fo slavers
I already told them that I have sold slaves to CA members in the past
I sold a slave for 1million isk to a CA member once
Now if he wasnt a serious slaver, I doubt he woulda payed 1million for that slave 
But ofc, my slaves are nothing but high quality merchandise. Well, as high quality as a slave can get that is 
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.01.24 10:08:00 -
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Interesting you should accuse us of clawing at each others throats. It's just a pathectic attempt to distract oters from your own Empire's all to public failings.
when only too recently we have seen your own people do very much the same. If it isn't about slavery with some, it's about your Emperor's sexual appitites in the public eye.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.01.24 12:38:00 -
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If it isn't about slavery with some, it's about your Emperor's sexual appitites in the public eye.
This statement reveals your lack of understanding completely. On behalf of this, your every argument can now be declared void and worthless.
Why did I ever waste a single written word in discussion with you....
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.01.24 13:17:00 -
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Wow
Looks like I won that aurgument. Peace at last
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.01.24 13:20:00 -
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You are handing victory to your foes Viqer, by becoming as great a monster as they. Your words and deeds shame all Minmatar. If we become worse then our enemies, all we will ever gain is the enmity of the honourable.
You will not experience my aid, for I do not associate with the corrupt. My actions and my battles are of my own choosing.
I have already participated in the emancipation of slaves. I am young yet, but as my strength grows, so shall my deeds. And that fight will never be tainted by the hypocracy you are so easy to excuse in yourself.
I do not understand what 'sidelines' you are speaking of, fallen brother, as you huddle in Curse with your Amarr allies in your Angel stations. My home and my center is among my people, in Minmatar.
My Sentiments sister
Hail Minmatar
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Ashka
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Posted - 2004.01.24 13:25:00 -
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If it isn't about slavery with some, it's about your Emperor's sexual appitites in the public eye.
This statement reveals your lack of understanding completely. On behalf of this, your every argument can now be declared void and worthless.
Why did I ever waste a single written word in discussion with you....
And your response shows the same. As you don't seem to want to educate us heretics in much the same way, except through the use of brutality, humilation, gossip mongering and petty insults. Seems the value of the true written word is somewhat lost on you.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.01.24 19:23:00 -
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I shall indulge you one last time, Ashka.
The scandal revolving around Articio Kor-Azor has nothing to do with our Emperor Doriam II.
I personally took offense at the uncouth and disgusting behavior of Articio Kor-Azor, but he is not our Emperor. He is a Heir.
Do you understand?
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Ashka
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Posted - 2004.01.24 23:27:00 -
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Hmmm,
Now I do
Still, it desnt bode well if even the heirs are behaving that way does it?
OOC: Sorry, I only play rarely as it's not my account or even my computer I'll be more observant in future :p
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Some call me far far worse
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Tyto
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Posted - 2004.01.24 23:48:00 -
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Second of all, it seems the Minmatar is at it again, clawing at eacothers necks like beast, Matari Backbone against PFOM and Oracle all claim to be freedom fighters yet none is able to stand the other...
Unlike all the Amarrians who have responded on this thread who apparently all agree precisely.
This constant discussion of my motivations and thoughts bores me. The attacks on Amarr will continue, slavers will be killed, Ni Kunni will die. Whether you believe/disbelieve agree/disagree.
In the end, history is written by the winners. Then we shall see who was right.
Tyto
"Dulce Bellum Inexpertis"
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2004.01.26 01:55:00 -
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always a pleasure to see those minmatar freedom "fighters" in the first part of their sentence accusing us of hatred and inhumanity and in the second part throwing threats about killin all amarr.
well well if that ain't a ridiculous way to show ur attitude towards the peace u keep sobbing about.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.01.26 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 26/01/2004 19:15:57
we are not sobbing. we are shooting. we shall leave the sobbing to you.
Prohphecy, thou tool, nice to see you spouting your soapbox rhetoric around some more. How's your business of joining up with the Amarr going?
I suppose YOU should dictate what we ALL should believe, Prophecy. I suppose i should throw aside my brother Viqer and my brothers and sisters in the People's Front because their beliefs are not 100% the same as my beliefs!
Surely, that way lies the path to Victory over the Amarr!
You disgust me. You are an all too typical tool, so willing to play pawn to these drooling Amarr who invite themselves into these discussions to egg you and your kind on.
Take up arms and fight for what you believe in, in the manner you believe - or go away.
Do not presume to dictate to ME your approval or disapproval of MY ideals.
And speaking of drooling Amarr...
deathwing has, i notice, managed to completely ignore Einheriar Ulrich's calling him on his supposed proof of CA slavery.
What's the matter, boyo? Image generation software not cooperating fast enough? You spouted, you fronted on the proof, you were called on it, you failed to produce. Run along now.
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.01.27 03:07:00 -
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Sorry BH old chap
I seemed to have missed Ulrich's reply
but whatev
As you wish ive got the pic for you
just gotta ask nicely
http://www26.brinkster.com/deathwingeve2/NoCASlavesHere.JPG
There you will see my transaction record
The name of the buyer, the location, the price and what is being sold
You will see the name, gender and even the race of said buyer
You will see the corp description stationg that the corporation is a said member of the Curse Alliance
But to be honest, I didnt notice this before, the best part of the pic, is that not only is the buyer part of your "Slavery Free" alliance, but the buyer is also a Minmatar
rofl
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Maiwenn LeBesco
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Posted - 2004.01.27 03:12:00 -
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OOPS
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Ezar Vorbarra
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Posted - 2004.01.27 21:30:00 -
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I find the lack of a response to this evidence conspicuous. (Deathwing needs a better hosting service for this evidence BTW.)
PIE has always maintained that Oracle, PFOM and their ilk are naught but criminals, pirates, and terrorists. Proof has been repeatedly presented in these forums about their close relationship with murderers like c0w, and their "convenient" association with slavers. It seems the Holy Truth is finally beginning to show through.
Minmatar Republic space will never be truly secure or free so long as these thugs still call it home. Matari people who truly wish to live in freedom, peace, and security should relocate to San Matar along with their Ammatar bretheren. Accept our Holy God and our empire will openly welcome your people into our folds.
- Leftenant Ezar Vorbarra
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