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Tacitus Krekt The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.07.04 07:00:00 - [31] Oh noes teh raven got nerfed! Not really...CPU fitting? Oh noes! Fit a damned 1% CPU implant (or even 3%!) - and you'll cover for the nerfage that makes you so unable to pilot your raven efficiently. My manticore was hurt by this nerf, but I'm not crying. It's upsetting that I have to scrap together a new fitting, granted - yet I can simply fit Malk's as opposed to arbalests if I want my fitting to stay the same (Oh noes I lose a second or so of ROF! Time to pull out the CCP voodoo doll + random blunt object). If I'm not killing targets on the first volley - chances are I'm short a ship. Spend your loyalty points, get that 1 or 3% CPU bonus implant. That's all you really need to offset the fix.
Avangel	Posted - 2007.07.04 07:05:00 - [32] Oh noez, the old uber-battleship that everyone flew has been nerfed! You raven pilots that are whining about your cruise missiles and how UNFAIR it is to nerf a raven when gallente battleships do sooo much more dps should try chasing down that pita BS in that level 4/5 mission that just always seems to stay outside of your blaster/AC range. That's right, try to fly a mega or an AC maelstrom in a mission. I actually trained caldari because a raven makes missions stupidly easy in comparison to battleships that have to choose between dps at close range, or long range and reduced dps. And guess what? My mission Raven fit still works! I still have 1 cpu available! Less whining, more dealing with it.
Dread Phantom Caldari Project-Chaos	Posted - 2007.07.04 07:13:00 - [33] People use cruise on ravens?
Ladyah Liandri A GmbH	Posted - 2007.07.04 07:13:00 - [34] Originally by: Akita T Raven+Cruise = epic fail stop using Cruise missiles on Ravens Repeating it over and over again doesn't make your statement automagically valid, honey.
Methem The Hand of Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.04 08:03:00 - [35] CCP, adjust stealth bombers so they arent affected by this kthxbye
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.04 09:26:00 - [36] To all the Caldari whiners. Go play WoW, you don't get nerfed and maybe there will be less lag in the north with you gone. Caldari are the plague of EVE, little whiners that must be cleansed from TQ.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.07.04 09:53:00 - [37] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 04/07/2007 09:52:51 Can we get the Caldari race renamed to Crybaby? I mean, the first letter and total letters are already the same, and it would be soooooo fitting. (Yes I am Caldari too, what can I say, I was a n00b and the uniform seduced me ) Thank you SkyFlyer! There is no 'n' in tur
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.04 12:02:00 - [38] Originally by: Tacitus Krekt Fit a...1% CPU implant (or even 3%!). I can't help but think this aspect actually makes a decent amount of sense when the ships in question are super-mission runners, rather then PvP or even 0.0 ratters.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.04 13:01:00 - [39] Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Tacitus Krekt Fit a...1% CPU implant (or even 3%!). I can't help but think this aspect actually makes a decent amount of sense when the ships in question are super-mission runners, rather then PvP or even 0.0 ratters. Dont't defend that guy, his proposal was an ironic slap into caldaris face. It's like saying, "if you have cpu problems, fit an additional cpu upgrade" or "if you don't have enought grid, get an reactor control unit". The problem is not the cost of the module/implant but that you waste a lowslot/highslot and in our case an hw-implant slot. I have implants in every slot, there is nothing free, so fitting cpu stuff would weaken my ship at another point. I think we must start a forum flaming campaing to get CCP to nerf gallente ships grid-wise, so they have difficulties fit their nos-domis and can't take whatever fitting their like on their Carriers/Dreadnounghts (like we can't it caus of cpu shortage) due grid problems, then, maybe, they will understand us and won't post rude stuff when we complain about a legitimate issue.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.04 13:17:00 - [40] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Tacitus Krekt Fit a...1% CPU implant (or even 3%!). I can't help but think this aspect actually makes a decent amount of sense when the ships in question are super-mission runners, rather then PvP or even 0.0 ratters. Dont't defend that guy, his proposal was an ironic slap into caldaris face. It's like saying, "if you have cpu problems, fit an additional cpu upgrade" or "if you don't have enought grid, get an reactor control unit". The problem is not the cost of the module/implant but that you waste a lowslot/highslot and in our case an hw-implant slot. I have implants in every slot, there is nothing free, so fitting cpu stuff would weaken my ship at another point. I think we must start a forum flaming campaing to get CCP to nerf gallente ships grid-wise, so they have difficulties fit their nos-domis and can't take whatever fitting their like on their Carriers/Dreadnounghts (like we can't it caus of cpu shortage) due grid problems, then, maybe, they will understand us and won't post rude stuff when we complain about a legitimate issue. and do you think gallente ships don have CPU problems? Or you missed all those EANM nerf whine threads? BTW, don't know why people say cruise missiles are a failure. In PVP they are much better otpion than the slug Torpedoes. Just take 1, 1 faction module to replace a non faction one and it is solved. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.04 13:24:00 - [41] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Tacitus Krekt Fit a...1% CPU implant (or even 3%!). I can't help but think this aspect actually makes a decent amount of sense when the ships in question are super-mission runners, rather then PvP or even 0.0 ratters. Dont't defend that guy, his proposal was an ironic slap into caldaris face. It's like saying, "if you have cpu problems, fit an additional cpu upgrade" or "if you don't have enought grid, get an reactor control unit". The problem is not the cost of the module/implant but that you waste a lowslot/highslot and in our case an hw-implant slot. I have implants in every slot, there is nothing free, so fitting cpu stuff would weaken my ship at another point. I think we must start a forum flaming campaing to get CCP to nerf gallente ships grid-wise, so they have difficulties fit their nos-domis and can't take whatever fitting their like on their Carriers/Dreadnounghts (like we can't it caus of cpu shortage) due grid problems, then, maybe, they will understand us and won't post rude stuff when we complain about a legitimate issue. And I thougth the funcion of those implant and modules was exactly to give more grid/CPU available if you hadn't enough. Then what they do? Paperweight? Filler for the hangar?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 13:40:00 - [42] For some reason, whenever theres a change to Caldari, it's always suddenly a "stealth nerf". Despite the fact that it's IN THE PATCH NOTES, not to mention on Sisi for weeks before it was implemented. My theory is that since theres so many more Caldari players than anyone else, theres always enough of them that didn't read the patch notes or test on Sisi to fill a few whine threads. The other three races don't seem to have that problem... --------
Nichalus Dreadstar	Posted - 2007.07.04 13:54:00 - [43] I'm Caldari, and I don't see the fuss. I use 5 Cruise, and two Torps. CPU is doing fine thanks. Jeez...for some of you, if Brains were a fuel, you couldn't power a Flea Car around the inside of a Fruit Loop.
Drasked North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.07.04 14:03:00 - [44] Everyone in this thread that stated that raven + cruise missiles is not good, fails at pvp instantly.
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2007.07.04 14:09:00 - [45] Edited by: Victor Valka on 04/07/2007 14:11:59 Oh noes! Must "SELECT * FROM whines_list WHERE valid="YES""! ... Sorry, folks. I'm drawing a blank.
Heartcarver	Posted - 2007.07.05 02:18:00 - [46] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Tacitus Krekt Fit a...1% CPU implant (or even 3%!). I can't help but think this aspect actually makes a decent amount of sense when the ships in question are super-mission runners, rather then PvP or even 0.0 ratters. Dont't defend that guy, his proposal was an ironic slap into caldaris face. It's like saying, "if you have cpu problems, fit an additional cpu upgrade" or "if you don't have enought grid, get an reactor control unit". The problem is not the cost of the module/implant but that you waste a lowslot/highslot and in our case an hw-implant slot. I have implants in every slot, there is nothing free, so fitting cpu stuff would weaken my ship at another point. I think we must start a forum flaming campaing to get CCP to nerf gallente ships grid-wise, so they have difficulties fit their nos-domis and can't take whatever fitting their like on their Carriers/Dreadnounghts (like we can't it caus of cpu shortage) due grid problems, then, maybe, they will understand us and won't post rude stuff when we complain about a legitimate issue. Go play Amarr and fit beam lasers on a bs, then enjoy the caldari missiles again
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.05 02:27:00 - [47] Originally by: Heartcarver Go play Amarr and fit beam lasers on a bs, then enjoy the caldari missiles again Blah blah blah always that Amarr-whiners ... ooooh we are so poor we Amarrs ohh ooooooohh. Only caus Amarr suck does not mean evry caldari nerf is justified ? Be smart: if caldaris get nerfed there will be less of them on battelfield. But it's caldaris you want to meet. The more caldaris are out there, in their shieldtanked ships with em-resistance hole, the stronger you amarrs are. So you should support caldaris, and make sure their ships are ok for pvp, so you then have enemies that fit perfectly to your gun's damagetypes, instead of clapping hands when caldaris get nerfed and are forced to switch to gallente ships for pvp - switch to ships against which you amarrs suck. Think more strategic.
Gealbhan Caldari The SAS The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2007.07.05 02:38:00 - [48] My mind wanders those 3 immortal words... Adapt Or Quit. Yes I have a Raven but it's kinda gathering dust since I hopped into a Hulk and started mining like crazy "Concentrate all your fire on one target, when it is destroyed, move on to the next. That is how you secure victory". - Tactica Imperium.
Kesh McCall Caldari Galactic Science Network	Posted - 2007.07.05 03:17:00 - [49] hmm i still have enough CPU left on my raven to fit a few gimmicks more... just no slots left ...maybe exchange some of the T2 trash for some T1 named and i mean cheap ones not the expensive faction stuff, try it it works wonders .. or get some higher skills ... works aswell Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.07.05 03:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Heartcarver Go play Amarr and fit beam lasers on a bs, then enjoy the caldari missiles again Blah blah blah always that Amarr-whiners ... ooooh we are so poor we Amarrs ohh ooooooohh. Only caus Amarr suck does not mean evry caldari nerf is justified ? Be smart: if caldaris get nerfed there will be less of them on battelfield. But it's caldaris you want to meet. The more caldaris are out there, in their shieldtanked ships with em-resistance hole, the stronger you amarrs are. So you should support caldaris, and make sure their ships are ok for pvp, so you then have enemies that fit perfectly to your gun's damagetypes, instead of clapping hands when caldaris get nerfed and are forced to switch to gallente ships for pvp - switch to ships against which you amarrs suck. Think more strategic. That's impossible. Everyone knows that Raven pilots never leave high sec. BUYING Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Prospector' PPH-2, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Apewall C A P S U L E	Posted - 2007.07.05 03:43:00 - [51] Weeeell, since you lovely tards like to flame on in a thread about a valid complaint thread. Previous setup: 6x xt-9000 2x medium named railguns 3x specific t1 hardeners 1x shield booster XL II 2x Shield amplifiers I 3x BCUs II 2x PDUs II Had to drop both of the rails due to the change, the amount gained from Weapon upgrades or advanced weapon upgrades is fairly minimal. The fact of the matter, is that Raven setups were already amazingly tight, and now they are impossibly tight, and not even worth trying level 4 missions without both weapon upgrades and advanced weapon upgrades to make a decent fit.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.05 03:48:00 - [52] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba I'm tired of all that ! Always that discriminations against us Caldaris. They give us only 9 lvl 5 agents where others have 10, they took away the tournament from Caldaris, and now they even nerf the cruise launchers ? Oh yes they were so much overpowerd caus of that insane dps ! Evry Gallten BC has a higher dps - and they nerf the cruise raven - Booohooo (wheres that smiley with thumbs down) ! I want justice for Caldaris ! Hi, i use Amarr. EVE History Wiki
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.05 03:49:00 - [53] HA! caldari whining how come I never see any minmatar whines when we get nerfed? Because we are badass! Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon!
Avangel	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:02:00 - [54] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Tacitus Krekt Fit a...1% CPU implant (or even 3%!). I can't help but think this aspect actually makes a decent amount of sense when the ships in question are super-mission runners, rather then PvP or even 0.0 ratters. Dont't defend that guy, his proposal was an ironic slap into caldaris face. It's like saying, "if you have cpu problems, fit an additional cpu upgrade" or "if you don't have enought grid, get an reactor control unit". The problem is not the cost of the module/implant but that you waste a lowslot/highslot and in our case an hw-implant slot. I have implants in every slot, there is nothing free, so fitting cpu stuff would weaken my ship at another point. I think we must start a forum flaming campaing to get CCP to nerf gallente ships grid-wise, so they have difficulties fit their nos-domis and can't take whatever fitting their like on their Carriers/Dreadnounghts (like we can't it caus of cpu shortage) due grid problems, then, maybe, they will understand us and won't post rude stuff when we complain about a legitimate issue. "I have implants in every slot". 'Nuff said, you've never seen pvp in your life, nor done anything but grind missions. I fly gallente/caldari/minmatar ships, and fitting the caldari ships is a bloody joke compared to the minny/gallente ships. Not only that, with far fewer skills you get a ship that is far superior for many things. I do quite fine with my crappy half-T2 raven fit in level 4 and level 5 missions. Hell, I semi-afk grind most of the level 4 missions I run. The reason that we see caldari pilots whining is that they've become spoiled with the vast advantages in ship fittings for mission running, and general ship layouts, and most of the players in the game are caldari.
Kesh McCall Caldari Galactic Science Network	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:03:00 - [55] Originally by: Apewall Weeeell, since you lovely tards like to flame on in a thread about a valid complaint thread. Previous setup: 6x xt-9000 2x medium named railguns 3x specific t1 hardeners 1x shield booster XL II 2x Shield amplifiers I 3x BCUs II 2x PDUs II Had to drop both of the rails due to the change, the amount gained from Weapon upgrades or advanced weapon upgrades is fairly minimal. The fact of the matter, is that Raven setups were already amazingly tight, and now they are impossibly tight, and not even worth trying level 4 missions without both weapon upgrades and advanced weapon upgrades to make a decent fit. now do it like this: 6x xt-900 2x medium named rails 1x specific t1 hardner 1x Invul Field 1x large shield extender or cap recharger or what ever you want 2x shield amp I 1x SB XL II 2x named BCU 2x PDU II 1x Damage control voila ... 3 % less DPS 6 % more shield and resistances along with some 2k more shield adaption is the key Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars
Apewall C A P S U L E	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:12:00 - [56] Originally by: Kesh McCall Originally by: Apewall Weeeell, since you lovely tards like to flame on in a thread about a valid complaint thread. Previous setup: 6x xt-9000 2x medium named railguns 3x specific t1 hardeners 1x shield booster XL II 2x Shield amplifiers I 3x BCUs II 2x PDUs II Had to drop both of the rails due to the change, the amount gained from Weapon upgrades or advanced weapon upgrades is fairly minimal. The fact of the matter, is that Raven setups were already amazingly tight, and now they are impossibly tight, and not even worth trying level 4 missions without both weapon upgrades and advanced weapon upgrades to make a decent fit. now do it like this: 6x xt-900 2x medium named rails 1x specific t1 hardner 1x Invul Field 1x large shield extender or cap recharger or what ever you want 2x shield amp I 1x SB XL II 2x named BCU 2x PDU II 1x Damage control voila ... 3 % less DPS 6 % more shield and resistances along with some 2k more shield adaption is the key Sorry but, you dont get more resistances with that build, and personally, using extenders on a boosting ship, why, just why?:/
Tacitus Krekt The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:15:00 - [57] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Tacitus Krekt Fit a...1% CPU implant (or even 3%!). I can't help but think this aspect actually makes a decent amount of sense when the ships in question are super-mission runners, rather then PvP or even 0.0 ratters. Dont't defend that guy, his proposal was an ironic slap into caldaris face. It's like saying, "if you have cpu problems, fit an additional cpu upgrade" or "if you don't have enought grid, get an reactor control unit". The problem is not the cost of the module/implant but that you waste a lowslot/highslot and in our case an hw-implant slot. I have implants in every slot, there is nothing free, so fitting cpu stuff would weaken my ship at another point. I think we must start a forum flaming campaing to get CCP to nerf gallente ships grid-wise, so they have difficulties fit their nos-domis and can't take whatever fitting their like on their Carriers/Dreadnounghts (like we can't it caus of cpu shortage) due grid problems, then, maybe, they will understand us and won't post rude stuff when we complain about a legitimate issue. Let me get this straight... I propose a reasonable solution to people complaining about fitting - and you're suggesting that people not defend it? If you want that extra 5% cruise damage from a slot 6 implant - then by all means - fit your clone with the 5% mod and your raven with 5 cruise missile banks. And if you're fitting a crystal implant set - hmmm - times must be hard indeed when a forum whine is in order. The reason of my post was to propose a probable solution to those who weren't aware of the slot 6 CPU imps. It's all you realistically need to fit 6 cruises on your raven! Is it preposterous that when your fitting should not work - you fit to compensate? By what you mentioned above, It would appear so. The only reasonable solution to this nerf is to cry about other races fitting requirements, throw rocks at ccp in hopes that they truly understand your concerns, all the while waiting for them to admit their mistake and allow your mission soloing crystal implanted pwnmobile work.
Heartcarver	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:17:00 - [58] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Heartcarver Go play Amarr and fit beam lasers on a bs, then enjoy the caldari missiles again Blah blah blah always that Amarr-whiners ... ooooh we are so poor we Amarrs ohh ooooooohh. Only caus Amarr suck does not mean evry caldari nerf is justified ? Be smart: if caldaris get nerfed there will be less of them on battelfield. But it's caldaris you want to meet. The more caldaris are out there, in their shieldtanked ships with em-resistance hole, the stronger you amarrs are. So you should support caldaris, and make sure their ships are ok for pvp, so you then have enemies that fit perfectly to your gun's damagetypes, instead of clapping hands when caldaris get nerfed and are forced to switch to gallente ships for pvp - switch to ships against which you amarrs suck. Think more strategic. Strategic is not whining on the forums. And you dont need to switch to Gallente ships for pvp, you could use minmatar instead ^^ Overall, get over it, find a new setup, and continue on. I think you should try a raven with tachyon's and armor tanking, think of how well you could do in pvp caus eno one would expect it!
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:20:00 - [59] Edited by: murder one on 05/07/2007 04:21:46 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Tacitus Krekt Fit a...1% CPU implant (or even 3%!). I can't help but think this aspect actually makes a decent amount of sense when the ships in question are super-mission runners, rather then PvP or even 0.0 ratters. Dont't defend that guy, his proposal was an ironic slap into caldaris face. It's like saying, "if you have cpu problems, fit an additional cpu upgrade" or "if you don't have enought grid, get an reactor control unit". The problem is not the cost of the module/implant but that you waste a lowslot/highslot and in our case an hw-implant slot. I have implants in every slot, there is nothing free, so fitting cpu stuff would weaken my ship at another point. I think we must start a forum flaming campaing to get CCP to nerf gallente ships grid-wise, so they have difficulties fit their nos-domis and can't take whatever fitting their like on their Carriers/Dreadnounghts (like we can't it caus of cpu shortage) due grid problems, then, maybe, they will understand us and won't post rude stuff when we complain about a legitimate issue. You're probably one of those idiots who thinks the T2 EANM CPU increase is 'just fine'. The Blasterthron's CPU was RAPED because of that change, and now you're complaining about launcher CPU, when you can still get a decent workable fit. It's not like you can't just fit faction everything on a CNR and just not worry about losing it, since it's always in high sec. And I ALREADY had a -6% CPU implant installed. Buu f#cking huu, you have to fit a CPU implant instead of a damage implant. BUYING Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Prospector' PPH-2, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Nichalus Dreadstar	Posted - 2007.07.05 04:57:00 - [60] I still don't get what the problem is. My Setup on my CNR: HIGH SLOTS 5 Arb Cruise 2 Seige Launchers (torps) Heavy Nos MIDS Invul II Cap Recharger II Named XL Shield Boost 2 Rat specific passive hardners Named Shield Extender LOWS 2 PDU IIs 1 DCU 2 BCUs I fly Lvl 4 Missions solo with no problem whatsoever, even after the new patch. Me thinks that people are blowing this WAY out of proportion, and whining just to whine about something. And yes, I PVP with my Raven with a good team. Isn't that how your suppose to?

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