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Freder1ck	Posted - 2007.07.04 14:48:00 - [1] Any idea's for a 1v1 vagabond setup? I can't get them to stay still long enough, by the time i've got double web on them, they fly out of the other side of the modules range at 5km/sec. Same problems with NOS, drones seems to work ok, but the drones have problems keeping up with the ship. Any suggestions/ comments welcome (other than learn to fly a vaga)
zwerg kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.07.04 14:58:00 - [2] Edited by: zwerg on 04/07/2007 14:57:41 a myrmidon with heavy neut drones 4x Ion Blaster II , 2 Neuts, Double Web, Mwd, and a good tank will do the job. slowly, but surely edit: better idea: 5 medium neut drones ( faster ) and 5x Vespa II ( more dps ) will kill it better ' who reads this is stupid haha Stupid People Count: 86432.2
Padma Sky Caldari Lumen Et Umbra	Posted - 2007.07.04 14:58:00 - [3] I immagine that faction webbers and overheat ( + 30% webbing range) will help u. _____________________ Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers.
OeOeOeOeO	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:08:00 - [4] Edited by: OeOeOeOeO on 04/07/2007 15:09:32 there is.. an alternative. kk so webber drones are quite slow.. 2000mps or so and the vaga is doing ... 5-6kp/s in orbit.. now you detatch 5 webbie drones and he is just guna laugh at them following. BUT! because the webbie drones are so slow compared to his ship by the time he has done a 20-25km orbit of you the 10km range of the webbies goes into effect. so it's kinda like.. setting a trap.. which he wont suspect. anyways by the time the vaga has begun locking/poping ur drones it's too late, he will have done 1 full orbit and hit the drones in which case you move in with this setup: myrm: 5 electron II 1 nos mwd webber webber scrammer cap booster 2x med rep II 2x overdrive 2x eanm II drones: 5 webbies rigs: speedy rigs it does indeed work as i've done it in the past against nano battleships in a domi. --------- Don't try to shoot me down because i'm bullet proof.
endeavour x	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:28:00 - [5] How big of a NOS do you need to put some hurt into a heavy assault ship (I.E a Vaga?). I know what cap they can hold, but are they usually set up ok with cap boosters, or do tyhey rely on re-charge only?
OeOeOeOeO	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:32:00 - [6] Originally by: endeavour x How big of a NOS do you need to put some hurt into a heavy assault ship (I.E a Vaga?). I know what cap they can hold, but are they usually set up ok with cap boosters, or do tyhey rely on re-charge only? this really does depend on the pilot, most vaga pilots can run their mwd and disruptor for eternity and orbit outside nos range. Resulting in their other 2 mids being LSE II anyways, on the deimos no people generaly don't Ishtar.. most people who want to live do. zealot- no again 3 mids is very limiting. sacre- most do cerb- unless it's an active tanker/nano nope. eagle- probably muninn- 3 mids v limiting. --------- Don't try to shoot me down because i'm bullet proof.
Liam Fremen Gallente Insurgent New Eden Tribe	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:33:00 - [7] If vaga is moving at 5km/s he is not shooting you :) and i don't think any bc have problem tanking 5 light drones. The way i kill vagabond is just letting them think you are going to die and then without any notice try to reach 13km from them and dual web with overloaded fleeting :) if they react in time you can start tanking seriously and asking backup or whatever, if he get caught while not yet engaged mwd (like it always happen when webbing at 13km so far) they can try to make what they want but 5000 - 90% = 500 - 90% = 50. You have mwd, you have dps and you have tank, just get within 13km from him and fit a t2 scrambler, overload it and when you engage your "approach" scramble him or when you web he will warp away istantly if already ordered so to the ship. I made this some times in the last days and always worked with a tempest, with a bc is about the same, just be sure to be able to out-tank him for plenty of time otherwise it can turn into a veeeeery slow death :) Check me out! I'm so badass that i scare off myself!
OeOeOeOeO	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:35:00 - [8] Originally by: Liam Fremen If vaga is moving at 5km/s he is not shooting you :) and i don't think any bc have problem tanking 5 light drones. ryssa is guna come bite ur ass off for saying that --------- Don't try to shoot me down because i'm bullet proof.
Liam Fremen Gallente Insurgent New Eden Tribe	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:39:00 - [9] Edited by: Liam Fremen on 04/07/2007 15:40:53 Edited by: Liam Fremen on 04/07/2007 15:38:25 Originally by: OeOeOeOeO Originally by: Liam Fremen If vaga is moving at 5km/s he is not shooting you :) and i don't think any bc have problem tanking 5 light drones. ryssa is guna come bite ur ass off for saying that Not my problem, i don't know what you fit but while moving 5km/s at 20km is pretty hard to track something with barrage, at least for doing a great damage. Then think how you prefer, i never was hitted hard by vagas orbiting with mwd on, i always saw them shutting off mwd as soon as they were beating me and engaging it as soon as i tryed to take them. But my last 3 kills are 3 vagabonds :) overload is making me a happy man! Orbiting with mwd on is a drone/missle user business, not for who use cannons even if 220/180mm got a great tracking at 20km and it can sure hit not so bad a battleship. Check me out! I'm so badass that i scare off myself!
OeOeOeOeO	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:43:00 - [10] Edited by: OeOeOeOeO on 04/07/2007 15:42:32 Originally by: Liam Fremen Edited by: Liam Fremen on 04/07/2007 15:38:25 Originally by: OeOeOeOeO Originally by: Liam Fremen If vaga is moving at 5km/s he is not shooting you :) and i don't think any bc have problem tanking 5 light drones. ryssa is guna come bite ur ass off for saying that Not my problem, i don't know what you fit but while moving 5km/s at 20km is pretty hard to track something with barrage, at least for doing a great damage. Then think how you prefer, i never was hitted hard by vagas orbiting with mwd on, i always saw them shutting off mwd as soon as they were beating me and engaging it as soon as i tryed to take them. But my last 3 kills are 3 vagabonds :) overload is making me a happy man! well there is a few reasons why living vaga pilots keep their mwd on and they are: if someone else is mwding at you, your transversal slows. missiles don't hurt (too much) guns can't track keeps you outa nos range keeps you outa webber range overdriving ur 3000mps ship at me ain't guna work matey and i personaly orbit at 25km --------- Don't try to shoot me down because i'm bullet proof.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:44:00 - [11] Originally by: OeOeOeOeO Originally by: Liam Fremen If vaga is moving at 5km/s he is not shooting you :) and i don't think any bc have problem tanking 5 light drones. ryssa is guna come bite ur ass off for saying that He is partially right Ryssa would agree that most of time vagabond need to use superior range to pound enemy and use speed to keep that range. Orbiting will diminish your dps enough that you get in a very risky situation of not kilingthe target before cavalary arrive. Some funny setups i already saw defeat (make run) a vagabon d were Butix with rails and TP and track computers :) Impressive hwo these thigns can hit pretty well at 20 km even a very fast target. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
OeOeOeOeO	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:46:00 - [12] oh yeah 1 more thing, any vaga pilot should have their mwd online all the time they arn't in warp, even if they don't orbit (nooby pilots) they should used "keep range at xx" and stay at 20odd km. You approach- they move away. --------- Don't try to shoot me down because i'm bullet proof.
Murehz	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:17:00 - [13] Originally by: OeOeOeOeO Edited by: OeOeOeOeO on 04/07/2007 15:42:32 Originally by: Liam Fremen Edited by: Liam Fremen on 04/07/2007 15:38:25 Originally by: OeOeOeOeO Originally by: Liam Fremen If vaga is moving at 5km/s he is not shooting you :) and i don't think any bc have problem tanking 5 light drones. ryssa is guna come bite ur ass off for saying that Not my problem, i don't know what you fit but while moving 5km/s at 20km is pretty hard to track something with barrage, at least for doing a great damage. Then think how you prefer, i never was hitted hard by vagas orbiting with mwd on, i always saw them shutting off mwd as soon as they were beating me and engaging it as soon as i tryed to take them. But my last 3 kills are 3 vagabonds :) overload is making me a happy man! well there is a few reasons why living vaga pilots keep their mwd on and they are: if someone else is mwding at you, your transversal slows. missiles don't hurt (too much) guns can't track keeps you outa nos range keeps you outa webber range overdriving ur 3000mps ship at me ain't guna work matey and i personaly orbit at 25km Do you actually fly a vaga because from what I've read and my experiences with a stabber if you shove a MWD on when orbiting and go at 5km/s you ain't hitting ****.
OeOeOeOeO	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:19:00 - [14] vaga and stabber r very differnt. for one the vaga has 2 more lows so with snakes u can add more tracking mods and still acheive 5kp/s meaning ur guns track alot better, and i use dual 180mm myself- more tracking- more survivability. --------- Don't try to shoot me down because i'm bullet proof.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:26:00 - [15] Edited by: Ryysa on 04/07/2007 16:26:15 Originally by: OeOeOeOeO oh yeah 1 more thing, any vaga pilot should have their mwd online all the time they arn't in warp, even if they don't orbit (nooby pilots) they should used "keep range at xx" and stay at 20odd km. You approach- they move away. Sorry, but this is bs. You should NOT have your MWD running all the time, even with dual 180 II's, with MAX skills you will stop doing almost any damage after you go faster than 3-3.5k/s in orbit. Also from what you are saying, I can conclude that you don't have a clue about how to fly a vagabond ... no one in the right mind fits tracking mods on a vagabond... Regarding the person who is so proud of killing stupid vagabonds with overloaded webs that he has to post it in every thread - it will pass once people realize what your real range with webs is... @ zwerg, it's not possible to do anything to a vagabond with the setup you said... On topic: First of all, let's make one thing clear, if you kill a vaga with a battlecruiser, he has already screwed up (unless you are overloading domination/db/ts web). That said, you can try to do some yo-yoing in orbit, baiting, etc. If you want, you can try to not attack him, and go back to the gate all the time. If he decides to bump you, dualweb him at that very moment, and he's toast. EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
OeOeOeOeO	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:29:00 - [16] LIES 5kp/s vaga is possible with tracking mods & snakes fyi --------- Don't try to shoot me down because i'm bullet proof.
Murehz	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 04/07/2007 16:26:15 Originally by: OeOeOeOeO oh yeah 1 more thing, any vaga pilot should have their mwd online all the time they arn't in warp, even if they don't orbit (nooby pilots) they should used "keep range at xx" and stay at 20odd km. You approach- they move away. Sorry, but this is bs. You should NOT have your MWD running all the time, even with dual 180 II's, with MAX skills you will stop doing almost any damage after you go faster than 3-3.5k/s in orbit. Also from what you are saying, I can conclude that you don't have a clue about how to fly a vagabond ... no one in the right mind fits tracking mods on a vagabond... -Hugs Ryysa- Thats what I've been waiting for
Captain Crimson United Mining Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:30:00 - [18] Originally by: OeOeOeOeO LIES 5kp/s vaga is possible with tracking mods & snakes fyi FYI, ryysa knows more than you about vagabonds. Kick his butt in debate ryysa! Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
OeOeOeOeO	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:31:00 - [19] yeah well nerr i don't care wat u all say my vaga can kill shtuff at 5kp/s --------- Don't try to shoot me down because i'm bullet proof.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:32:00 - [20] Originally by: OeOeOeOeO yeah well nerr i don't care wat u all say my vaga can kill shtuff at 5kp/s chav alert. EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
ArtemisEntreri Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:37:00 - [21] Edited by: ArtemisEntreri on 04/07/2007 16:37:19 Vagas don't keep mwd on 24/7 you clearly haven't flown one if you say that, there is no way you have the cap for that and no matter the tracking enhancers you won't hit in mwd orbit. If you want to catch a vagabond a battlecruiser isn't really the one to do it, however a hurricane could catch a bad vagabond pilot, wait for him to go in orbit, they'll orbit at 15-25km depending on their setup. Dedicated vagabond killer would be something like this 6 d180mm autocannons 2 medium nos/ neuts 10mn microwarpdrive 24km warp disruptor webber cap injector medium armor rep x2 explosive hardener damage control ii 2 overdrives 2 polycarbon rigs a cheaper setup would be 2 nanofibers instead of the overdrives and 2 speed rigs auxiliary thrusters or something Once he starts shooting you hold still for a bit, wait for him to get into orbit then hit mwd approach him, most vagabond pilots aren't quick enough to realise what's happening until it's too late.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:44:00 - [22] Tracking enhancers give very little to tracking itself, the multiplier is a lot lower than from tracking comps. From a tracking PoV fitting them is a complete waste. And vagabond has no room nor reason for tracking comps. EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.04 17:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Ryysa Tracking enhancers give very little to tracking itself, the multiplier is a lot lower than from tracking comps. From a tracking PoV fitting them is a complete waste. And vagabond has no room nor reason for tracking comps. Let him continue Ryssa.. long time since I last killed a vagabond, the mre badly fitted ones flying around the better. Anyway maybe he is orbiting afreighter at 5 km/s then he can likely get the hits he claim.. the question is.. why orbit at 5km/s a freighter? If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Vitrael Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.07.04 17:13:00 - [24] If you want to kill Vagas with your Myrm/Cane/whatever it's time to invest in a faction web. End of discussion as far as I'm concerned. ----------
Original Species	Posted - 2007.07.04 17:18:00 - [25] Well, you could just get a huggin or a curse, but no smart vega pilot hangs around that situation anyway...... Just like my curse, the only time I lose it is when im stupid and hang around a fight i cant win to long.....
Y3R M4W	Posted - 2007.07.04 17:26:00 - [26] Harbinger 7x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch M) cap booster scram web tracking comp 2x MAR active exp eanm 2x Heat Sink After tracking buff, heavy pulses will hit a vaga aslong as it stays above 10km, and if it doesn't, he gets webbed (ofc if the vaga goes to 5kms you may struggle, but in that case he's not hitting you either). Note: YER MAW! is Scottish for Your Mother.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.04 17:31:00 - [27] Ok and like, why would he hang around a pulse harbinger again? There's lots of ships that can SURVIVE and make a vagabond run away, I think OP cares more about actually KILLING them. Artemis' setup was actually the only viable posted so far. EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.04 17:51:00 - [28] A domination web could be the key secrect, or maybe the warfare bonus, if i ma not mad there wsa one that increased web and scramble range. You just need an alt to be in gang with you :P If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.04 17:55:00 - [29] Originally by: Kagura Nikon A domination web could be the key secrect, or maybe the warfare bonus, if i ma not mad there wsa one that increased web and scramble range. You just need an alt to be in gang with you :P 14km web + gang warfare alt + overload = a lot of webrange... EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
Noxious IV Militaris 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.07.04 18:46:00 - [30] /me think Ryssa should make acorp called Vaga Pilot school :) I have been flying a vaga, not for long, maybe a week now. I can from my little experience say that the only way to loose a vaga is by pilot error. A good pilot will always be dictating range thus never get in web range (excluding highly expensive and overloaded pimped webs) Also a good pilot will stay outta web range, or kite out when being nossed. As for the ...5km with tracking comps .... can i have some of what you have been smoking, cause i have searched there forums to death for vaga setups and don't recall a tracking computer vaga lows for speed and Gyros .. mids for MWD n tank .. highs for guns n Nos. The only other posts i've seen are with PDS II's in the lows
Murehz	Posted - 2007.07.04 18:54:00 - [31] Originally by: Noxious IV I have been flying a vaga, not for long, maybe a week now. I can from my little experience say that the only way to loose a vaga is by pilot error, lag, a better skill vaga pilot or a huginn/rapier jumping through the gate your at. Fixed Tis true though, if you know what your doing you really shouldn't loose vaga's.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.04 19:04:00 - [32] Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: Kagura Nikon A domination web could be the key secrect, or maybe the warfare bonus, if i ma not mad there wsa one that increased web and scramble range. You just need an alt to be in gang with you :P 14km web + gang warfare alt + overload = a lot of webrange... 22.5 with max skills and mindlink. 25.6km if your mate is a claymore. But i think having the module yourself in your hurricane and having anything as wingman is enough. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Nikea Tiber	Posted - 2007.07.04 19:17:00 - [33] Originally by: Y3R M4W Harbinger 7x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch M) cap booster scram web tracking comp 2x MAR active exp eanm 2x Heat Sink After tracking buff, heavy pulses will hit a vaga aslong as it stays above 10km, and if it doesn't, he gets webbed (ofc if the vaga goes to 5kms you may struggle, but in that case he's not hitting you either). A harbinger without any speed mods won't be able to get within range of a vagabond. A harbinger with a MWD might be able to if the vaga pilot makes a mistake. Even if you do manage to web him and magically stay within your optimal lasers will do next to no damage vs minmitar HAC resists. Without a propulsion mod you have no hope of getting into web range. With a propulsion mod you can only get to web range if you can get the vaga pilot to make a mistake. Even with a web they will still be able to get away from you, which is the only time thier transversal should be low enough for you to hit them... even then minmitar HAC resists will tank your pew pew for more time than you can last. The most viable technique to kill a vaga would be to web it and kill enough cap to prevent it from MWDing away from you while it is webbed. I think a long range BC setup wouldn't do enough damage and the vaga would always be able to warp off. If you were able to drain enough cap to prevent MWD use and could get him webbed a drake might be able to wear down a vaga, but the drake has the speed and agility of a beached whale, not to mention its craptacular dps even with 3 BCU II's... and nothing screams I AEMS T3H RATTING!!! like a drake or raven
D'Avore Relic Defense Initiative	Posted - 2007.07.04 21:39:00 - [34] Sorry if I'm dragging the thread a bit offtopic, but I don't want to open a new vaga thread :) Is a AB Vaga a viable ship? A faction AB , snakes and rigs should give it a decent speed - enough to outrun Bcs at least- without the zomg sig radius. FYI I am not a vagabond pilot, just curious about this.
Fraile Cloudsinger Gallente Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.04 22:13:00 - [35] Myrmidon: Highs: Mix of nos/guns, a nos or 2 minimum to keep the vagabond dry. Medium: Mwd, cap booster, scrambler, web, last slot: 2nd web/eccm (if vaga pilot got ecm drones), sensor booster (not so useful), sensor dampner (to help your drones) Lows: Just a good enough tank to tank some damage, 2x med rep, 1 of each non-em hardener, 1 dmg control Drones: 1 heavy, 4 medium neut drones, 5 medium vespa drones to hit the weak spot of the vaga's shields. Tactic: Play weak, pretend to be npcing or something, pretend to be a standard gank. He will orbit you and pound you down, play weak on your tank to avoid giving the vagapilot cold feets (Use just 1 repper, so you 'pretend to die, eventually', its easier for a vaga to stay in fight if it looks like youre going down, rather than staying at 100% armor all the time) Now drain the cap with neut drones, use the dampner so if he tries killing drones, he cant do it too fast. Also try to mwd in one direction so he got to use his mwd to follow, you should be able to mwd longer as he got no cap booster. When you think vaga's out of cap/he doesnt scramble any more: Turn on scramble and mwd towards him, start repping up hard as he still does damage. The vaga will now only go about 500-800 m/s as it cant turn on mwd due to no cap. You should catch him with mwd, and the guns, web and medium drones finishes the vaga off. Now send me isk for every dead vagabond.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.04 23:09:00 - [36] Originally by: Fraile Cloudsinger Myrmidon: Highs: Mix of nos/guns, a nos or 2 minimum to keep the vagabond dry. Medium: Mwd, cap booster, scrambler, web, last slot: 2nd web/eccm (if vaga pilot got ecm drones), sensor booster (not so useful), sensor dampner (to help your drones) Lows: Just a good enough tank to tank some damage, 2x med rep, 1 of each non-em hardener, 1 dmg control Drones: 1 heavy, 4 medium neut drones, 5 medium vespa drones to hit the weak spot of the vaga's shields. Tactic: Play weak, pretend to be npcing or something, pretend to be a standard gank. He will orbit you and pound you down, play weak on your tank to avoid giving the vagapilot cold feets (Use just 1 repper, so you 'pretend to die, eventually', its easier for a vaga to stay in fight if it looks like youre going down, rather than staying at 100% armor all the time) Now drain the cap with neut drones, use the dampner so if he tries killing drones, he cant do it too fast. Also try to mwd in one direction so he got to use his mwd to follow, you should be able to mwd longer as he got no cap booster. When you think vaga's out of cap/he doesnt scramble any more: Turn on scramble and mwd towards him, start repping up hard as he still does damage. The vaga will now only go about 500-800 m/s as it cant turn on mwd due to no cap. You should catch him with mwd, and the guns, web and medium drones finishes the vaga off. Now send me isk for every dead vagabond. are you nuts? Do you think a vagabond would get inside medium NOS range? He will be shootign you form 16 km at least. He would kill all your drones then come close and kill your mirmy because he needs no cap to shoot. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Fraile Cloudsinger Gallente Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.04 23:40:00 - [37] Last time I checked there was no medium nos range for nosdrones, if the vaga is at 40km, they will go to 40km and nos it. Yes it will be suspecious to have nos drones circling around your vagabond, but if the myrm can play his reppers good, pretend that hes dying he might get the vagas attention off the drones by say dipping into structure now and then. Nosdrones and getting the vagabond to use his mwd are the only ways I can think of to cap out a vagabond with a battlecruiser sized ship thats practical. With a scrambler, mwd, cap booster, web, some dps and an outnossed vagabond you should have an easy match given that you can rep the damage with your tank, which isnt the myrms biggest issue. You cant kill a vagabond by pressing F1-F8, you need to outsmart it, gallente mostly isnt rocket science, but when going up against sneaky opponents you gotta be sneaky yourself.
Fraile Cloudsinger Gallente Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.04 23:45:00 - [38] And with the medium nos on the setup, thats just for the ending, to assure that the vagabond dont magically recharge enough cap for an mwd cycle and slips away while you got medium dmg drones out. But given your signature this setup/fighting wouldnt suit you too well.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.04 23:51:00 - [39] If the vaga pilot is blind enough to not shoot your nos drones.... if he notices them you are toast. its a gamble.. big one If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Smakko Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.07.05 02:10:00 - [40] Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: OeOeOeOeO yeah well nerr i don't care wat u all say my vaga can kill shtuff at 5kp/s chav alert. Also, you have never even flown a vagabond. So saying "my vaga" is quite funny, since you can't fly one. Oh, and before you say "but I have", well, I present you the selfpwn you made =) lmao, haha, oh wow, pwnage.
king jks The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.07.05 02:13:00 - [41] Drake. If it can't kill it, it will make the vaga **** off, if my alt's cerb can do that I think a drake can do it better, just have to wait for it to stop MWDing and the alpha strike from 7 kinetic missles will make him rethink attacking you.

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