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Zero Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.05 05:08:00 -
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Hi all,
I am far to lazy/stupid for all the calculations, Which one would better for Remote Armor Tanking?
The Oneiros has Less Cap and recharge time, but a 50m3 drone bay
THe Gaurdian has more cap and a faster recharge, but a smaller drone bay, but it has more Hi SLots.
Any help would be awesome.
Thanks
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Rania Serlia
World Order
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.07.05 05:20:00 -
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Which helps an armor tank more, remote cap transfer, or tracking links.
Realistically speaking though I doubt jumping up to medium drones will overcome the maximum reppage you could cause with 6 transfers instead of 4.
Sustaining it is another thing entirely, however, the additional low on the guardian should help that nicely.
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Zero Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.05 05:21:00 -
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Cool, thanks muchly.
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Vmir Gallahasen
Gallente
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.07.05 05:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Rania Serlia
Which helps an armor tank more, remote cap transfer, or tracking links.
Realistically speaking though I doubt jumping up to medium drones will overcome the maximum reppage you could cause with 6 transfers instead of 4.
The main advantage of the oneiros is that it has 5 med slots, instead of the guardian's 2. In a PvP situation, being a logistics ship with no defensive ewar is just asking to get spanked. I'm able to fit my oneiros with 3 damps and a MWD, with a med left over for whatever. Can a guardian do that? 
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William Hamilton
Caldari
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R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.05 05:49:00 -
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Well, in a fleet istuation the Oneiros may help more because if you set up tracking links the ships of the line can remove their own tracking modules to fit more tank and stuff...
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Rania Serlia
World Order
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.07.05 06:11:00 -
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People use these in PVP now?
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Litus Arowar
Amarr
Obsidian Asylum
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.07.05 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: William Hamilton
Well, in a fleet istuation the Oneiros may help more because if you set up tracking links the ships of the line can remove their own tracking modules to fit more tank and stuff...
this seems unlikely as in that case losing the logistics ship will render a few of your ships far less effective, either unable to lock at all or not in time for the alpha strike... I don't know if logistics can be used this way, but a remote repping ship would seem like the perfect ship to keep at a safespot during a fleet engagement, to rep ships that get called primary and have to warp out
I don't know, maybe I'm crazy
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Vmir Gallahasen
Gallente
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.07.05 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rania Serlia
People use these in PVP now?
With the changes to them, they've become quite powerful. An oneiros with large reps and armor bots can repair about the same armor/s as 5 t2 large armor repairers, and that repping power can be applied to any ship within 71km.
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Azuse
The Brotherhood Of The Blade
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.07.05 11:23:00 -
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It's funny. You're all pretending to know the ships but you're all talking about tracking links (that's a scimitar bonus btw) instead of things like remote sensor boosting (you can find that in the ships description).
Now if you people cannot see or understand why remote sensor boosting is more usefully that tracking linking (on a ship with boosting bonuses) in a fleet battle ask yourselves why you are flying this ship.
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Xoduse
Gallente
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.07.05 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Azuse
It's funny. You're all pretending to know the ships but you're all talking about tracking links (that's a scimitar bonus btw) instead of things like remote sensor boosting (you can find that in the ships description).
Now if you people cannot see or understand why remote sensor boosting is more usefully that tracking linking (on a ship with boosting bonuses) in a fleet battle ask yourselves why you are flying this ship.
I'm gonna go ahead and ask if you understand why your brain is the size of a peanut you incompetent know it all:
Oneiros
Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 150% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer System range and 100% bonus to Tracking Link
range per level
Logistics Skill Bonus: 15% reduction in Remote Armor Repairer capacitor use and 3.5% bonus to Tracking Link efficiency per level
Guardian:
Amarr Cruiser Skill Bonus: 150% bonus to Energy Transfer Array range and 100% bonus to Remote Armor Repair System range per level
Logistics Skill Bonus: 15% reduction in Energy Transfer Array capacitor use and 10% reduction in Remote Armor Repair System capacitor use per level
 The only two ships in this discussion...turd.
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Wasp O'Ryan
Gallente
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.05 11:56:00 -
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Depends on the situation,
For complex tanking I found (and can fly both) the Oneiros to be far more useful due to it have a better ability to permanently run 4 corpum medium remote reppers, a tracking link, warp disruptor and some medium armour repping drones.
This was I think the equivalent of 4 large T2 reppers... 
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Litus Arowar
Amarr
Obsidian Asylum
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.07.05 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Litus Arowar on 05/07/2007 17:47:43
Originally by: Wasp O'Ryan
Depends on the situation,
For complex tanking I found (and can fly both) the Oneiros to be far more useful due to it have a better ability to permanently run 4 corpum medium remote reppers, a tracking link, warp disruptor and some medium armour repping drones.
This was I think the equivalent of 4 large T2 reppers...
yeah but the guardian can nearly permarun 6 large remote reppers with maxed skills... you throw a rig or two on there and it can permarun the 6 larges, with a 70km range, and huge repping amount (468 DPS repaired, more than 6.5 LAR2s)... at that point you're basically overdoing it, and you aren't even using the drones yet... yes, that's without a tank of your own, but it's just an example...
as for the tracking link bonus on the oneiros, I don't get it... why not just completely take over the repping, let him fit a tracking enhancer or two instead of reppers or plates...
I don't know, maybe I'm a noob but this seems logical to me
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2007.07.05 17:55:00 -
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Guardian is slightly better for PVE (scan sites, missions and plexes) imo. Why? Because you can boost both shield and armour tankers. With skill at lvl 4 and semi-t1 fit my alt had my cap at full while I was running a XL booster II. With a bit of testing I found that she could also run 1 of the 2 fitted L remote repper perma and the other one for about 2 minutes. So in theory my alt with far from perfect skills can keep 2 shield boosters and 1 armour tanker happy.
Btw, a caldari logistic could of course do the same but the other way around :)
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Vmir Gallahasen
Gallente
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.07.05 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Litus Arowar
Edited by: Litus Arowar on 05/07/2007 17:47:43
Originally by: Wasp O'Ryan
Depends on the situation,
For complex tanking I found (and can fly both) the Oneiros to be far more useful due to it have a better ability to permanently run 4 corpum medium remote reppers, a tracking link, warp disruptor and some medium armour repping drones.
This was I think the equivalent of 4 large T2 reppers...
yeah but the guardian can nearly permarun 6 large remote reppers with maxed skills... you throw a rig or two on there and it can permarun the 6 larges, with a 70km range, and huge repping amount (468 DPS repaired, more than 6.5 LAR2s)... at that point you're basically overdoing it, and you aren't even using the drones yet... yes, that's without a tank of your own, but it's just an example...
In a PvP situation, the guardian would be taken out of the fight almost immediately, though. Guardian is better for PvE but considerably worse in PvP (based upon my opinion and experiences ofc).
And there is no such thing as overdoing repairing too much armor/second 
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