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babel2501	Posted - 2007.07.05 08:50:00 - [1] i heard lots of rumors about this recently people saying that ccp doesn't give t2 bpo through r&d system anymore. is this true? can anybody give me a clear answer please? is it meaningless gathering RP anymore?
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:10:00 - [2] negative, u exchange RP now for datacores which as part of hte invention system allows u to make and produce tech 2 up to 1000 run BPCs. all existing BPOs i believe are being turned into massive run BPCs after that they will vanish
Arrs Grazznic FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Callthetruth all existing BPOs i believe are being turned into massive run BPCs after that they will vanish Where did you read that, then? Cheers, Arrs T2 BPO Lottery - 25m per ticket, only 49 tickets
babel2501	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:20:00 - [4] Thank you for your reply, Callthetruth.
lofty29 Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.05 09:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Callthetruth negative, u exchange RP now for datacores which as part of hte invention system allows u to make and produce tech 2 up to 1000 run BPCs. all existing BPOs i believe are being turned into massive run BPCs after that they will vanish Uh....K --- Project Mayhem
RaTTuS BIG BIG is Beautiful	Posted - 2007.07.05 10:05:00 - [6] There are still some T2 Bpos being given out - cehk the research feields for the agents. -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve & Skills Blog
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.07.05 10:12:00 - [7] Originally by: Callthetruth negative, u exchange RP now for datacores which as part of hte invention system allows u to make and produce tech 2 up to 1000 run BPCs. all existing BPOs i believe are being turned into massive run BPCs after that they will vanish Invention can't produce 1000 run bpcs and T2 bpos being changed into bpcs makes less sense than boosting amarr by adding a negligible amount of CPU to EANMs. ... oh wait. Eve-Tanking.com - Nobody reads this slogan.
Anson Halleck Lost Eden	Posted - 2007.07.05 10:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Callthetruth negative, u exchange RP now for datacores which as part of hte invention system allows u to make and produce tech 2 up to 1000 run BPCs. all existing BPOs i believe are being turned into massive run BPCs after that they will vanish Neither is true. Tech2 BPOs are still distributed via Research agents, but there are no new BPOs added to the poll. So check your agent's info to see what BPOs are still available, more most likely won't be added. No one from CCP ever said Tech2 BPOs are going to be converted to BPCs.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2007.07.05 10:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Anson Halleck Originally by: Callthetruth negative, u exchange RP now for datacores which as part of hte invention system allows u to make and produce tech 2 up to 1000 run BPCs. all existing BPOs i believe are being turned into massive run BPCs after that they will vanish Neither is true. Tech2 BPOs are still distributed via Research agents, but there are no new BPOs added to the poll. So check your agent's info to see what BPOs are still available, more most likely won't be added. No one from CCP ever said Tech2 BPOs are going to be converted to BPCs. Actually it was Oveur who mentioned the possibility. He did not say for sure it would be done but that it was one path they were considering. I think they should, otherwise you give less reasons for newer players to stick around. In time if they are to be never reseeded anyway, then they would through attrition leave the game anyway. Currently there are a few items still left in Electrical or Mechanical Engineering with some agents. However once this round is done they've said there will be no more. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Anson Halleck Lost Eden	Posted - 2007.07.05 10:42:00 - [10] Edited by: Anson Halleck on 05/07/2007 10:41:36 Originally by: Mecinia Lua Actually it was Oveur who mentioned the possibility. He did not say for sure it would be done but that it was one path they were considering. I think they should, otherwise you give less reasons for newer players to stick around. In time if they are to be never reseeded anyway, then they would through attrition leave the game anyway. I know he once mentioned it as a possibility, but that is far from statement saying it is going to happen.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.07.05 10:44:00 - [11] Edited by: Nyphur on 05/07/2007 10:44:35 Edited by: Nyphur on 05/07/2007 10:44:08 Originally by: Anson Halleck No one from CCP ever said Tech2 BPOs are going to be converted to BPCs. In this post, CCP Chronatis says: "I do not like original blueprints at all as a method of delivery of new tech, however I would not support changing any existing BPO's in any way. I would rather as Oveur as mentioned in the past support such a system where the skill of the maker, the quality of the materials, the techniques and build process all factor in and leave the power in the hands of players (enhancing and building upon the invention system).". However, before he edited that post and entire day later, the original version said: "I do not like original blueprints at all, and I would not want us to continue in that direction, however rather than removing them I would want the qualities of the blueprint varied according to the skill of its maker and the materials used (enhancing invention). So you would never get unlimited runs but the possibility of a much bigger number of runs could be possible for example." And in the same thread, Oveur said: "Current Tech 2 BPOs will certainly not be removed. There are more than 10.000 out there, far from all of them being something really sought after. However, it's certainly worth investigating turning them into very high run BPCs" There has been some scaremongering around quotes like that, which me bringing it up will probably exacerbate. However, I bring it up because it's quotes like these that show that no matter what CCP say, people will assume the worst from it. I'm not immune to the effect myself, I'm quite afraid that my few T2 bpos that I worked toward getting will be ruined. Eve-Tanking.com - Nobody reads this slogan.
Jennai The Silent Rage R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:20:00 - [12] Originally by: RaTTuS There are still some T2 Bpos being given out - cehk the research feields for the agents. I looked 2-3 days ago and the only ones left were two mining crystals and Acolyte II, all of which were in the same field. a week ago, there were 10+ crystals and drones in that field, so those last few will probably be gone by next week.
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:23:00 - [13] Acolyte II BPO left....WOOT! /me puts all R&D into electronics. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Lady Beauvoir	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Mecinia Lua Actually it was Oveur who mentioned the possibility. He did not say for sure it would be done but that it was one path they were considering. I think they should, otherwise you give less reasons for newer players to stick around. In time if they are to be never reseeded anyway, then they would through attrition leave the game anyway. I've tried to point this out often and I'll point it out again: You can always buy your T2 BPO. I did buy mine, with ISK earned by hard work. An another thing to consider: invention is, and will always be, rather expensive. It's cheaper and faster to build T2 items from T2 BPOs. If T2 BPOs would disappear completely, the less used items (say, T2 tracking enhancers, T2 heavy beam lasers, T2 signal distortion amps) would skyrocket in price when the cheap and excessive supply is gone. The prices of high-price items would not change, since so many people are already inventing those. I'd rather have it the way it is, with BPOs producing some of the supply but invention offering the bulk of the goods and keeping the price in check.
Riho Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Callthetruth all existing BPOs i believe are being turned into massive run BPCs after that they will vanish i hope that doesnt help... atm competition between inventors and BPO owners is keeping prices low... but when th BPOs gooo.. t2 price will jump very high --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:04:00 - [16] Does anyone know where in the future new tech II BPOs will come from?
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Wendat Huron Does anyone know where in the future new tech II BPOs will come from? Nowhere. They've already stated in devblogs that no more t2 bpos will ever be added. Eve-Tanking.com - Nobody reads this slogan.
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:30:00 - [18] Originally by: Callthetruth all existing BPOs i believe are being turned into massive run BPCs after that they will vanish .....PROOF, OR STFU. I've not read this ANYWHERE< stop posting misleading information.
Trak Cranker Serenity Inc	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Riho Originally by: Callthetruth all existing BPOs i believe are being turned into massive run BPCs after that they will vanish i hope that doesnt help... atm competition between inventors and BPO owners is keeping prices low... but when th BPOs gooo.. t2 price will jump very high What kind of weird ass logic is that? Are you saying inventors wont compete against each other? On some items, where the sales prices is already ruling out invention, a pure invention driven market can result in slightly increased prices, but on the rest the prices will be as low as the inventors are willing to go - which should be no different from when BPO owners are on the market. If they keep t2 BPOs in the game, the owners have the ability to undercut inventors to the point where inventors can't compete at all - and still turn a nice profit. Ultimately undermining invention as a whole. Increased demand might alleviate the problem a bit - but the idea of keeping them in is bad, if you ask me. The best solution would be to exchange the BPOs for datacores. I don't foresee a move from CCP here for a while though(if at all), as introduction of a purely invention driven T3 market will remove both interest and demand from the T2 market, creating less focus on T2 BPO ownership. But the best game design decision would be to remove them from game asap in a decent way.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Wendat Huron Does anyone know where in the future new tech II BPOs will come from? Nowhere. They've already stated in devblogs that no more t2 bpos will ever be added. They must not expect the game to grow much from here then. What about when tech III, IV and V hit, won't the prerequisites be tech II?
Judas Lonestar Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:13:00 - [21] Theres going to be some exceedingly ****ed off (and rightfully so) production folks if their T2 BPO's become high run BPC's. I would be livid. At that point I'd come out and just flat out say it. I give you 14 real, spendable, no BS dollars every month. You let me keep my electronic, fake in game BPO. Call it "renting" it for 14 a month if you must. But then again, thats there war to fight not mine as I dont own any T2 BPO's.

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