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Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.07.06 01:02:00 - [1] I have not seen something like this posted so here I go: I understand (I might be wrong) that it cost more to wardec a corp that already has a wardec going on. Is this true? Even if the new wardecing corp have no wars? If that is correct, then is possible for a carebear corp to wardec one or more alt corps just to drive up the cost of any new wardec. That looks like an exploit to me, but if the above is correct then it is possible using the game mechanics.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.07.06 01:08:00 - [2] Yes its true No CCP do not care SKUNK Originally by: Fink Angel They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
Badhands Gallente Gottland Production Transport Mines	Posted - 2007.07.06 01:09:00 - [3] 3 small empire corps get together and have permanent wardecs on eachother, deterring real wardecs. News at 11. Originally by: Player Guide Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses. ^^^Stolen from Tarminic^^^
Hellspawn01 Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.07.06 01:36:00 - [4] Carebears are just smarter than ccp Ship lovers click here
Savage Creampuff Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.06 01:50:00 - [5] Yes it is true Yes, it can make rich alliances basically invulnerable to empire war. No, cCp doesn't care. Creampuff Quote: I've sent in plenty of petitions but it seems that CCP just doesn't care about me. Without knowledge of market dynamics theres no way I can compete with these griefers
Nicholas Barker MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2007.07.06 02:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Carebears are just smarter than ccp this is possibly the only occasion I've seen so. Whining on the forums until something changes in their favor is the usual tactic. although I've technically started using that tactic, a whine to stop whines effecting the game, it's almost a paradox. ---
Hellspawn01 Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.07.06 02:14:00 - [7] Originally by: Nicholas Barker Originally by: Hellspawn01 Carebears are just smarter than ccp this is possibly the only occasion I've seen so. Whining on the forums until something changes in their favor is the usual tactic. although I've technically started using that tactic, a whine to stop whines effecting the game, it's almost a paradox. True. On the other hand, how can you tell that your target corp has only alt wars running? Also its no exploitto wardec your alt¦s corp, isnt it? Ship lovers click here
MissileRus	Posted - 2007.07.06 02:17:00 - [8] Edited by: MissileRus on 06/07/2007 02:19:08 maybe the nerfbat had a bit too mutch swing mass wardecs is no good, but wardecs to protect from wardecs is even mroe bad lol.. wgat if they made a hard limit on wardecs and and a "window" from being able to wardec last "victim"? so one can not wardec to prevent others wardecing.. kinda like the common strategy for sieges in alot of games, theres a window of oppertunity(kk..) for everyone to wardec once a "slot" opens up. probably sounds very wierd lol! hard code amounts of wardecs you can have active, make a timeframe so that after a period the wardec gets renewed, it then has a couple of hours/day window for others to wardec. so that one cannot keep constant wardecs on "alt/friendly" corps to prevent others from wardecing.. k 2 times not trying a 3rd.. new skillbook? lvl 1 = 1 wardec, lvl 5 grants you 5 wardecs ok maybe not.. um.. kebab.. the wardec prevention stuff isnt fixed yet either right? one cannot hold players in a corp against their will.. but maybe a "quickfix" would be to limit the numbers of players who can quit in a certain time frame, to avoid entire corps avoiding wardecs.. ? edit: on a drunken note maybe it wont be mutch fun having "seace(omfg..) fires" all the time.. --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Leviathan Brian	Posted - 2007.07.06 02:21:00 - [9] War decs should be unlimited but just continue the cost rising. I don't see how that would be bad because at some point it would become unreasonably expensive anyways...but still leave a window.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.07.06 02:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Leviathan Brian War decs should be unlimited but just continue the cost rising. I don't see how that would be bad because at some point it would become unreasonably expensive anyways...but still leave a window. Ugh you miss the point. The OP was pointing out that a rich alliance can simply start up say 9 alt corps. Wardec itself with these corps (and obiosuly never fight). For someone new to actually want to wardec the rich alliance - they know have to pay an absolute bomb (billions) to wardec them Hence: Big rich alliances = More powerful Poor Little Corp = More impotent I said this at the time CCP instituted their bloody craven deabacle at the behest of whining slobs. SKUNK Originally by: Fink Angel They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.

Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.07.06 02:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Leviathan Brian War decs should be unlimited but just continue the cost rising. I don't see how that would be bad because at some point it would become unreasonably expensive anyways...but still leave a window. Nah, like Le Skunk said, rich alliances can have many alt corps. Therefore, unwardecable.
Steel Tigeress Gallente Silver Snake Enterprise Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.06 02:59:00 - [12] Well if Skunk and all his PA tards hadn't wardec'd every alliance under the sun, this never would have been an issue. Shot themselves in the foot, now they are crying about the pain. No sympathy.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.07.06 03:10:00 - [13] Oh noooo please nooooo Don't turn this into another PA thread.
Del Narveux Obsidian Angels Enterprises	Posted - 2007.07.06 03:11:00 - [14] Just laugh at all the isk theyre losing in their wars, and either hit them via other means or pick another target. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.07.06 03:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Steel Tigeress Well if Skunk and all his PA tards hadn't wardec'd every alliance under the sun, this never would have been an issue. Shot themselves in the foot, now they are crying about the pain. No sympathy. Whos crying about the pain? A random poster commented upon the weakness in the wardec system. And it was commented that yes it was indeed a weakness but that CCP didnt care. So like anohter poster says - dont try to bring it back to PVTRS. SKUNK Originally by: Fink Angel They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
Savage Creampuff Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.06 03:38:00 - [16] hmmm, nope. Don't see any cying going on here. The OP requested clarification about a relatively undiscussed issue and clarification was given. Go troll elsewhere. Quote: I've sent in plenty of petitions but it seems that CCP just doesn't care about me. Without knowledge of market dynamics theres no way I can compete with these griefers
Steel Tigeress Gallente Silver Snake Enterprise Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.06 03:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Steel Tigeress Well if Skunk and all his PA tards hadn't wardec'd every alliance under the sun, this never would have been an issue. Shot themselves in the foot, now they are crying about the pain. No sympathy. Whos crying about the pain? A random poster commented upon the weakness in the wardec system. And it was commented that yes it was indeed a weakness but that CCP didnt care. So like anohter poster says - dont try to bring it back to PVTRS. SKUNK Thing is its a weakness that was directly caused by you and your friends. And dont act like this is the only thread. There have been a few started by PA asking for the old system back.
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.06 04:47:00 - [18] Edited by: Tareen Kashaar on 06/07/2007 04:47:15 Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Leviathan Brian War decs should be unlimited but just continue the cost rising. I don't see how that would be bad because at some point it would become unreasonably expensive anyways...but still leave a window. Ugh you miss the point. The OP was pointing out that a rich alliance can simply start up say 9 alt corps. Wardec itself with these corps (and obiosuly never fight). For someone new to actually want to wardec the rich alliance - they know have to pay an absolute bomb (billions) to wardec them Hence: Big rich alliances = More powerful Poor Little Corp = More impotent I said this at the time CCP instituted their bloody craven deabacle at the behest of whining slobs. SKUNK Welcome to the real world, where there is strength in numbers. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me!
Del Narveux Obsidian Angels Enterprises	Posted - 2007.07.06 06:48:00 - [19] If the real world were so wonderful, we wouldnt be playing games to escape it. Anyway, what yall are describing is definitely lame, but not really any more lame than those 1 man altcorps that wardec random people to cause problems. Sadly empire war system really sucks. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Shanur	Posted - 2007.07.06 07:32:00 - [20] I don't get it. Why was the ramping up in cost done by checking the number of wars on the recipient of the war dec? I thought the idea of the recent changes to war decs was to discourage an unscrupulous corp from flinging out decs to every corp they did not like the name of. Not to prevent a corp that already has a war to worry about to have more than one on their mind. People didn't hate privateers because they decced already decced corps, but because they decced each and every empire corp that was until then minding their business. It would have made a lot more sense if the ramping up was purely done by checking the number of wars the instigator of the war has active, to discourage a corp/alliance that already has some wars from picking even more fights.

Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.06 07:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Steel Tigeress Thing is its a weakness that was directly caused by you and your friends. No, it was not. The nerf that killed the glorious Privateers made it so that the number of wars that an alliance has issued was taken into account in determining the wardec fee for any new wars that it wanted to issue. Here we are talking about the number of wardecs that an alliance has against it determining the cost of any new wardec againt it. This was the case before the Privateers made Eve a better game. Its all in the patch notes, which of course you won't read cause your hatred of the wonderful Privateers makes you blind to the truth.
Tiberius Ilex Caldari FireTech Pure.	Posted - 2007.07.06 11:47:00 - [22] Sounds great to me. I'll happily be your wardec buddy. 'Hey buddy, seeing as how we're such friends, let's go on a joint mining op in high sec. No I don't mind if you bring your hulk' Rubs hands together in a sinister manner
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.07.06 11:50:00 - [23] Originally by: Nicholas Barker Originally by: Hellspawn01 Carebears are just smarter than ccp this is possibly the only occasion I've seen so. Whining on the forums until something changes in their favor is the usual tactic. although I've technically started using that tactic, a whine to stop whines effecting the game, it's almost a paradox. going back would reinstall privateers. This is the downside of the privs dec
SFShootme The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2007.07.06 11:50:00 - [24] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Leviathan Brian War decs should be unlimited but just continue the cost rising. I don't see how that would be bad because at some point it would become unreasonably expensive anyways...but still leave a window. Ugh you miss the point. The OP was pointing out that a rich alliance can simply start up say 9 alt corps. Wardec itself with these corps (and obiosuly never fight). For someone new to actually want to wardec the rich alliance - they know have to pay an absolute bomb (billions) to wardec them Hence: Big rich alliances = More powerful Poor Little Corp = More impotent I said this at the time CCP instituted their bloody craven deabacle at the behest of whining slobs. SKUNK BUT THEY KILLED MY BADGER!!!! - Tho shall give Life, for Life.
Lavinrac Krad Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.06 11:55:00 - [25] Edited by: Lavinrac Krad on 06/07/2007 11:54:49 Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Welcome to the real world, where there is strength in numbers. Actually the strength is in manipulating the people with power to your point of view. Some people manipulated CCP to the point of view that "Lots of War decs is bad" and War Decs were nerfed. It is that simple, the Whine wins in MMORPGs, those that complain about whining and don't whine, lose. Why donÆt you show us on the dolly where the bad miner touched you. -Thesas THE NERF BAT COMETH! REPENT SINNER!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.06 11:59:00 - [26] Excuse me. The current war decs are fine. CCP does not give in to carebears and carebears are not immune to war decs. Your problem/whine is you want easy targets. How about this, find alliances who you want to fight and are willing to fight you. Mutual war decs are your friends. The last time I check, they are still free. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.07.06 11:59:00 - [27] Possible solution would be a log of value destroyed in the mock war, if it doesn't come up to par with a certain value depending on the alliances or corporations at war Concord declares it an armistice and them yet again open to 'real' wars. Also Known As
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.06 12:01:00 - [28] I think the current war dec penalties are too harsh, especially in light of this potential alt-corp abuse. Anyway, I always liked empire wars, I don't understand why so many corps, even PvP oriented alliances like BoB, refuse to have empire wars. I don't understand this basic aversion to fighting in empire. Frankly, I'd prefer that there was no empire at all, only 0.0.
Lavinrac Krad Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.06 12:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Excuse me. The current war decs are fine. CCP does not give in to carebears and carebears are not immune to war decs. Your problem/whine is you want easy targets. How about this, find alliances who you want to fight and are willing to fight you. Mutual war decs are your friends. The last time I check, they are still free. Here is simple psychology: You nag (another form of whining) your children until they clean their rooms. They clean their rooms just to shut you up and get some peace, the same is with MMORPG developers... The old system was fine. N00b corps could just disband or have most of their members leave temporarily to avoid the war dec and major corps and alliances could not (just too much of a hassle for them). N00b corps therefor had an advantage in High Sec and Major alliances/corps had some hindrance in high sec. And if I want easy targets or if anyone else wants easy targets, let them have them. The easy targets might learn to become hard targets. Why donÆt you show us on the dolly where the bad miner touched you. -Thesas THE NERF BAT COMETH! REPENT SINNER!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.06 12:28:00 - [30] Originally by: Lavinrac Krad Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Excuse me. The current war decs are fine. CCP does not give in to carebears and carebears are not immune to war decs. Your problem/whine is you want easy targets. How about this, find alliances who you want to fight and are willing to fight you. Mutual war decs are your friends. The last time I check, they are still free. Here is simple psychology: You nag (another form of whining) your children until they clean their rooms. They clean their rooms just to shut you up and get some peace, the same is with MMORPG developers... The old system was fine. N00b corps could just disband or have most of their members leave temporarily to avoid the war dec and major corps and alliances could not (just too much of a hassle for them). N00b corps therefor had an advantage in High Sec and Major alliances/corps had some hindrance in high sec. And if I want easy targets or if anyone else wants easy targets, let them have them. The easy targets might learn to become hard targets. Children don't get paid to stop the nag. Devs do get paid and if they remove something because of a few people nagging, wouldn't the majority leave the game? Majority still play the game so CCP did not do anything wrong to in removing an exploit. Case closed. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.



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