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Ogoel Marek	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:59:00 - [31] Originally by: KhanJohn I as fleet commander of the Ushrakhan forces would like to make this following statement: Is this statement worth reading? Seriously. Think about this for a second. Internalize what this ôAmarrian leaderö of Minmatar terrorists is saying and consider his words in light of his actions. If you take his words separate from his actions it sounds like a noble ôAmarrian leaderö of a freedom fighter faction heroically addressing enemies honestly expecting them to change their ôevilö ways and turn to repentance and peace. His words when taken separate from his actions give us the semblance of honest concern for our Amarrian born and bred slaves of Minmatar genetics. His words, unfortunately for this traitor, cannot be separated from his deeds. He tells us that he and his U'K' subjects want to free slaves and fight paramilitary forces which they deem evil. They come to the Empire with other terrorists to disrupt a nonviolent demonstration killing indiscriminately everyone they saw. Why must they kill militants, civilians, and slaves to show the entire region that slavery is wrong? Where is the logic behind this madness? ôOblivions Mawö entraps their soul and without going into a theological argument plain common sense can show you that they must be deluded or insane; terrorists are not very stable. If this terrorists have shown something with this demoniacal statement after their homicidal rampage against slaves, civilians and military targets is this: They have shown that they must be either exterminated or enslaved for their own good and for the good of the Amarr, the Ammatar, the Caldari, and I must admit even the Gallente. I pray that they are all apprehended and not exterminated. At least an interrogation can be extracted and maybe, just maybe, they can be enlightened. Ogoel Marek.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:19:00 - [32] Is this statement worth reading? Seriously. Think about this for a second. Internalize what this ôAmmatar leaderö of Minmatar slaves is saying and consider his words in light of his actions. If you take his words separate from his actions it sounds like a noble ôAmmatar leaderö of a spiritual faction heroically addressing enemies honestly expecting them to change their ôevilö ways and turn to repentance and peace. His words when taken separate from his actions give us the semblance of honest concern for our Ammatarian born and bred slaves of Amarrian policy. His words, unfortunately for this traitor, cannot be separated from his deeds. He tells us that he and his Ammatar subjects want to serve God and fight paramilitary forces which they deem evil. They come to the Republic with other terrorists to disrupt the lives of millions killing indiscriminately everyone they saw. Why must they kill militants, civilians, and slaves to show the entire region that slavery is inevitable? Where is the logic behind this madness? ôOblivions Mawö entraps their soul and without going into a theological argument plain common sense can show you that they must be deluded or insane; terrorists are not very stable. If this terrorists have shown something with this demoniacal statement after their homicidal rampage against slaves, civilians and military targets is this: They have shown that they must be either exterminated for their own good and for the good of the Amarr, the Ammatar, the Caldari, and I must admit even the Gallente. I hope that they are all apprehended and not exterminated. At least an interrogation can be extracted and maybe, just maybe, they can be enlightened. And Ogoel? Thanks for making most of my points for me. You almost had it right. _ Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:37:00 - [33] I was under the impression the slaver pilots engaging the joined forces this day knew very well what they were doing. I couldn't see any "homicidal rampage against civilians". Maybe you confused that with one of the border world raids that you participated in recently? Interesting to see however that the battleships of the Amarr paramilitaries are now commanded by slaves and civilians. Explains a lot. Honestly, there was a time when Amarr pilots didn't shy away from a fight and claimed afterwards that their adversaries were killing "slaves and civilians" when they got blown up. These times have passed obviously. You initiated a provocation to the freedom fighters that day and that provocation was answered the way it was intended. You shouldn't take everyone for a fool and now blame it on us that you got beaten with a stick because you didn't expect the numbers we showed up in. It is the same old story: You take us too lightly, you don't understand the fire that our cause feeds in us and you still think that a military victory against us would mean anything and would weaken our response. It doesn't. There is no way you get rid of us except the unconditioned freedom of our brothers.
Ogoel Marek	Posted - 2007.07.12 19:00:00 - [34] Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Is this statement worth reading? And Ogoel? Thanks for making most of my points for me. You almost had it right. I love the Fraction. You fellows are always amusive and original if only that. Being entertaining and original does not mean you are right. By the way. Your signature is wrong. Money is not the root of all evil. Read the scriptures and stop being an ignorant terrorist. The scriptures are clear that it is ôThe LOVE of moneyö that is the root of all evil. Ogoel Marek.
Illuvian	Posted - 2007.07.12 23:46:00 - [35] Brother Marek, Though you are obviously misled and don't quite understand that calling people terrorists is obviously not the most diplomatic way to get them to understand your point of view. You obviously, being a wise theologian and minister know this already. And yet, you manage to separate yourself from a truly intelligent conversation by nitpicking on entirely moot points. Quote: Your signature is wrong. Money is not the root of all evil. Read the scriptures and stop being an ignorant terrorist. The scriptures are clear that it is ôThe LOVE of moneyö that is the root of all evil. If I were to mirror such actions I would be going through your comments and remarking on how many words you decided to just make up, but alas, that is not my way. Yet, I still am stuck on one thing, you were not there. News reports seem to not confirm any of your claims of civilian or slave casualties. So I'm left wondering my good friend, what end of your bioform are you speaking out of today? Metus improbos compescit, non clementia. It is fear, not kindness that restrains the wicked.
Conlin Gallente Yiotul Fighters	Posted - 2007.07.15 06:21:00 - [36] Originally by: Ogoel Marek Originally by: KhanJohn I as fleet commander of the Ushrakhan forces would like to make this following statement: Is this statement worth reading? Seriously. Think about this for a second. Internalize what this ôAmarrian leaderö of Minmatar terrorists is saying and consider his words in light of his actions. If you take his words separate from his actions it sounds like a noble ôAmarrian leaderö of a freedom fighter faction heroically addressing enemies honestly expecting them to change their ôevilö ways and turn to repentance and peace. His words when taken separate from his actions give us the semblance of honest concern for our Amarrian born and bred slaves of Minmatar genetics. His words, unfortunately for this traitor, cannot be separated from his deeds. He tells us that he and his U'K' subjects want to free slaves and fight paramilitary forces which they deem evil. They come to the Empire with other terrorists to disrupt a nonviolent demonstration killing indiscriminately everyone they saw. Why must they kill militants, civilians, and slaves to show the entire region that slavery is wrong? Where is the logic behind this madness? ôOblivions Mawö entraps their soul and without going into a theological argument plain common sense can show you that they must be deluded or insane; terrorists are not very stable. If this terrorists have shown something with this demoniacal statement after their homicidal rampage against slaves, civilians and military targets is this: They have shown that they must be either exterminated or enslaved for their own good and for the good of the Amarr, the Ammatar, the Caldari, and I must admit even the Gallente. I pray that they are all apprehended and not exterminated. At least an interrogation can be extracted and maybe, just maybe, they can be enlightened. Ogoel Marek. Yeah enlighten me as to standing . One week were pirates , the next were terrorists . Cva& pets dont kill nuets , then they do . Cva& pets dont use pirates to do there dirty work , they they do . Must be hard work for them moving those goal posts .
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.15 08:39:00 - [37] Originally by: Ogoel Marek By the way. Your signature is wrong. Money is not the root of all evil. Read the scriptures and stop being an ignorant terrorist. The scriptures are clear that it is ôThe LOVE of moneyö that is the root of all evil. Indeed Ogoel. Although given the Star Fraction's past boasts about their supposedly vast wealth, one does have to wonder exactly what Devilish is trying to tell us. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.15 16:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Ogoel Marek By the way. Your signature is wrong. Money is not the root of all evil. Read the scriptures and stop being an ignorant terrorist. The scriptures are clear that it is ôThe LOVE of moneyö that is the root of all evil. Indeed Ogoel. Although given the Star Fraction's past boasts about their supposedly vast wealth, one does have to wonder exactly what Devilish is trying to tell us. Since you are currently free to go about your business in the Amarrian paramilitary re-enactment society culture of PIE/VV and friends you are no longer under the obligation to attempt smears against our name with every breath Rodj. Best for your peace of mind if you try to forget the recent months and endless humiliation and enjoy your moments of peace while they last. Star Fraction is recruiting
Ogoel Marek	Posted - 2007.07.16 02:22:00 - [39] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Since you are currently free to go about your business in the Amarrian paramilitary re-enactment society culture of PIE/VV and friends you are no longer under the obligation to attempt smears against our name with every breath Rodj. Best for your peace of mind if you try to forget the recent months and endless humiliation and enjoy your moments of peace while they last. Is your signature another reference to money? Lord Rodj's comment makes a lot of sense. Ogoel Marek.
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.07.16 08:17:00 - [40] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Since you are currently free to go about your business in the Amarrian paramilitary re-enactment society culture of PIE/VV and friends you are no longer under the obligation to attempt smears against our name with every breath Rodj. Best for your peace of mind if you try to forget the recent months and endless humiliation and enjoy your moments of peace while they last. Now that is a little harsh! Give credit where credit is due, I believe your doing an excellent job of smearing your own name all by yourself grins. Now be a good girl and play out your usual brand of space opera from the 'oh look at me' self importance club. I always enjoy your mentions of 'psy-ops' and memeticness, no doubt a good chance to see you for the laughing stock you actually are (only rivaled by the great revan siege against the Jovian race).
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.16 18:20:00 - [41] Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Since you are currently free to go about your business in the Amarrian paramilitary re-enactment society culture of PIE/VV and friends you are no longer under the obligation to attempt smears against our name with every breath Rodj. Best for your peace of mind if you try to forget the recent months and endless humiliation and enjoy your moments of peace while they last. Now that is a little harsh! Give credit where credit is due, I believe your doing an excellent job of smearing your own name all by yourself grins. Now be a good girl and play out your usual brand of space opera from the 'oh look at me' self importance club. I always enjoy your mentions of 'psy-ops' and memeticness, no doubt a good chance to see you for the laughing stock you actually are (only rivaled by the great revan siege against the Jovian race). Go back to playing "dress up" wars with your playpals mr Tellen. The Star Fraction tested you and found you wanting. Star Fraction is recruiting
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.07.16 20:03:00 - [42] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Go back to playing "dress up" wars with your playpals mr Tellen. The Star Fraction tested you and found you wanting. Oh the comedy wench replies. The only thing the star Fraction tested in our previous engagement was the qaulity of spacedock in the amarrian system, a turn of events that did no favours to prove your apparent 'relevence' in Amarrian affairs. The fact that the entire alliance frankly got bored of your dubious campaign campaign and moved to fight a far greater threat is no doubt a testiment to your own particular brand of 'genius', leaving you to rant (as seems ever the case) whilst causing absolutely no disturbance to Imperial affairs. Your are as second rate in command as you are an orator Jasmine, it is no wonder why you are of little consequence to anything of worth. No doubt is grieves you that there are much greater threats in the void, so it seems more than likely you will slouch off to declare dominance on some poor foreign nationalist force. Nevermind.
Ituralde Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.16 22:57:00 - [43] Priceless coming from a worm who never dared enter combat himself throughout the war, much less at all came close to scoring a kill. Crawl back under the CVA rock you cower under and don't come back out until you are a creature worth respecting. _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.16 23:28:00 - [44] Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen The only thing the star Fraction tested in our previous engagement was the qaulity of spacedock in the amarrian system, a turn of events that did no favours to prove your apparent 'relevence' in Amarrian affairs. The fact that the entire alliance frankly got bored of your dubious campaign campaign and moved to fight a far greater threat is no doubt a testiment to your own particular brand of 'genius', leaving you to rant (as seems ever the case) whilst causing absolutely no disturbance to Imperial affairs. Your are as second rate in command as you are an orator Jasmine, it is no wonder why you are of little consequence to anything of worth. No doubt is grieves you that there are much greater threats in the void, so it seems more than likely you will slouch off to declare dominance on some poor foreign nationalist force. Nevermind. The above is a specimen example of the ravings of a man who knows he is incapable of being effective in space. How you would know anything about the campaign, having played no part in it other than fuelling Vigilia Valeria POSes in the back of beyond, must be a matter of conjecture. Possibly you prayed nightly for Vigilia Valeria to become more than an insignificant speck of grease on the bloody nose of the CVA and were graced with the yelping fantasies of your masters û which barely coherent beast noises you no doubt took as the received word of your fairy-tale of a deity. At least PIE's demented and sub-Crystal Boulevard marriage chapel cleric, Archbishop, occasionally gets in a combat ship and puts himself in harm's way (leaving aside the uncomfortable fact that his flaming hindquarters are the usual sight presented to enemy camera drones). You simply come on here flapping your gnashers. No great matter. I care not one whit for the Amarrian loyalist view of what is and is not relevant. I assert the relevance of our cause and spit in the face of a mere scabrous tick on the udders of the lowing milk cow that the CVA has become. Go back to hauling, deck-swab, it is all you are good for. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.17 00:22:00 - [45] Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen Your are as second rate in command as you are an orator Jasmine .... I think you know about as much about the arts of command and oratory as a horsefly knows about the breeding genetics of the animal's buttocks its drinking nourishment from. Nothing more needs to be said. Star Fraction is recruiting
The Recordkeeper Caldari Keepers of Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.17 03:14:00 - [46] In an independent analysis of the recent war between the amarr corporations cva, pie, vv and am versus the star fraction we have assembled what we believe is the most accurate database of ship kills. The record is clear and can not be refuted after our analysis of multiple resources available to pod pilots. We of the Order Omega take pride in our statistical accuracy and will provide our numbers for independent review. We have used several databases to complete this statistic but we can not post links here as it is prohibited by concord law. Our investigation has ascertained these numbers are accurate. star fraction 393 cva vv pie am ships killed from 31march07 to 21july07 war end cva vv pie am 319 star fraction ships killed from 31march07 to 21july07 war end We do not count shuttles and capsules in our calculations and we don't count other corporations not stated for the record as being amarr who fought on either side. We also note the formal war between cva pie am vv sf ended a 21july07 while one database continued to last week the claimed campaign apparently in error. We have subtracted those kills from both sides as they were not part of the war but actually a later war. We assume the corporation involved was not trying to defaud the public with false information or attempting to pad its statistics leading to false data. The record is clear on this matter and the war once ended does not continue for a day a month later with a new war dec and to assume so would be proof of attempt to defraud the public pod pilots. The findings of the Orders exhaustive record archival investigation indicate from a financial standpoint in isk losses the war was nearly a stalemate. It is noted one side destroyed significantly more capsules and appeared to be using that to inflate their numbers in what is an obvious attempt to create false data. Close statistical evaluation of data indicates one amarr corporation in particular suffered a large number of losses by itself. When the kills and losses of that one group are removed the statistics shift dramatically in favor of the amarr corporations 254-212 kills. The aegis milita corporation was noted to have suffered 195 of the 407 total sf kills of amarr corporations leaving the other amarr corporations cva pie vv statistically victorious over the star fraction. The aegis militia corporation had only 77 of the 331 confirmed amarr kills. Statisticaly they had nearly 50% of the deaths and less then 23% of the kills being younger and less experienced but they fought well in battle and considering the overwhelming financial wealth of the star fraction and the superior warships and tactics did manage some victories. We will soon publish our reports on several corporations and are almost finished with the inpod database resource which will allow our extensive archive to be shared with all. The Recordkeeper
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.07.17 03:57:00 - [47] Originally by: The Recordkeeper The findings of the Orders exhaustive record archival investigation indicate from a financial standpoint in isk losses the war was nearly a stalemate. It is noted one side destroyed significantly more capsules and appeared to be using that to inflate their numbers in what is an obvious attempt to create false data. Close statistical evaluation of data indicates one amarr corporation in particular suffered a large number of losses by itself. When the kills and losses of that one group are removed the statistics shift dramatically in favor of the amarr corporations 254-212 kills. The aegis milita corporation was noted to have suffered 195 of the 407 total sf kills of amarr corporations leaving the other amarr corporations cva pie vv statistically victorious over the star fraction. The aegis militia corporation had only 77 of the 331 confirmed amarr kills. Statisticaly they had nearly 50% of the deaths and less then 23% of the kills being younger and less experienced but they fought well in battle and considering the overwhelming financial wealth of the star fraction and the superior warships and tactics did manage some victories. We will soon publish our reports on several corporations and are almost finished with the inpod database resource which will allow our extensive archive to be shared with all. The Recordkeeper I'd like to commend The Recordkeeper for what appears to be a rather thorough report. Would it be possible to get a statement from either side as to whether they support this accounting of the events? -CEO -Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Bacchanalian Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.17 04:04:00 - [48] We seem to be missing any data on CAIN in the report above. Any reason why CAIN, who fought alongside PIE, AM, VV, and CVA in several separate engagements, are excluded from the analysis? Star Fraction is recruiting, join the revolution!
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.17 04:12:00 - [49] Its a flawed account for a number of reasons. It picks a limited duration snapshot, doesn't include Amarrian allies (Intaki Union / Cain) it doesn't value capsule kills (which are obviously hugely important hits on enemy morale and can represent much more fiscal damage than the replacement cost of smaller tech1 vessels). And he falls into the standard "efficiency rating" trap of trying to view single amarrian corps on their own merits when they all flew in mixed gangs and scored mentions on each other's kill notifications to artificially inflate their apparent performance figures. The actual global results are as follows: 2007-03-31 -> 2007-07-06 (operations Judas Goat, Back for more, Slaughterhouse, Daisycutter) 1201 kills vs Amarrian/Ally/Mercenary vessels. 449 losses vs Amarrian/Ally/Mercenary vessels. All data publicly available from the Star Fraction statistics bureau. In conclusion I'd say that "recordkeeper" is likely just an Amarrian catspaw hired by a defeated enemy trying to massage their statistics into a slightly less embarrassing conclusion. Nothing worth noting here. Star Fraction is recruiting
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.17 04:17:00 - [50] Edited by: Kovid on 17/07/2007 04:20:52 Originally by: The Recordkeeper We do not count shuttles and capsules in our calculations and we don't count other corporations not stated for the record as being amarr who fought on either side. I will only dispute this point at this time though I could have chosen others. I'll food for others who want a share. Corporations not stated as amarr. So Intaki Union, CAIN, and anyone else who kisses the feet of the Amarr or fly with them for the purpose of inflating their statistics is not counted in your totals? EDIT: It seems Jasmine mentioned the same thing while I was responding. ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
The Recordkeeper Caldari Keepers of Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.17 04:53:00 - [51] The Order Omega and the archival experts of our caste take great pride in our accuracy and completeness in assembling the most accurate records. In relation to cain corporation we did not see a declaration by them as an amarr corporation which excluded them from the conflict statistically. The reasoning behind their elimination was the repeated statements by star fraction spokeswoman Jasmine Constantine that the amarrian corporations were defeated in battle. Because she focused only on the amarr corporations in her posts we have done the same although this is a rule we apply to both for example we do not count losses by other corporations with star fraction either. In time we will complete a detailed report on the mito conflict and we will not count the black rabbit corporation statistics with the star fraction as they have said they are not allies. Our statistical analysis is only of amarr corporations and their involvement with the star fraction given the claims of the star fraction that the amarr were defeated in battle. We did not count star fraction losses to these other corporations either nor did we count amarr losses to others. This creates the most accurate analytical record of losses for this conflict which was stated to be against amarr and its followers. The end of the declared war was 21june2007 not 06july2007 and any attempts by a corporation on either side to redeclare war weeks later to obtain one victory in battle before withdrawing appears to our Order designed to confuse the public and create false data which can not be tolerated. The facts of the data and our analysis are complete and we will publish an official report when we publish our review of the star fraction corporation and the amarr corporations and add them to the inpod database where they will join the other reports already completed. To address the false accusation of partisonship by Jasmine Constantine I have only to point to our records to date and our impartiality towards all corporations. Statistical evidence speaks clearly in this regard and you are welcome to add in all the non amarr corporations you wish in your statistics as you are clearly not an impartial entity. We of the Keepers of Knowledge will stand by our statistically proven facts and will publish all in our archives for review by scholars of all empires because we have nothing to hide and seek only the truth of pure data. We will not count non amarr losses in a war you stated was against the amarr nor will we count non star fraction losses by those who flew with you such as ushra khan, sani sabik and black rabbits against you either. Pure data in its truest form is all we seek and while I am disappointed you would consider the Order a partisian entity we will continue to do our work as fairly as we can and will let everyone decide for themselves our truthfulness as we treat everyone including your corporation the same. The Recordkeeper
The Recordkeeper Caldari Keepers of Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.17 05:00:00 - [52] Quote: Corporations not stated as amarr. So Intaki Union, CAIN, and anyone else who kisses the feet of the Amarr or fly with them for the purpose of inflating their statistics is not counted in your totals? We of the Order used your database primarily in gathering our information as other archives were incomplete or not readily accessable. Your database divides up by corporation which made it easy to seperate and obtain legitimate complete statistical evidence from the conflict and indicated to us trends such as the excessive losses by one corporation and the third stage of the war including statistical data from many corporations not of amarr nationality. Because your stated war was against the amarr we are focusing only on those statistics to reach an accurate picture of the impact on the amarr empire your war had that is why we only focused on statistics relating to your actual target and objectives as you stated them. As I indicated you are free to quote other non amarr corporations in your own statistics and we will continue to communicate the true statistical evidence of the entities we have researched. There is nothing wrong with star fraction claiming kills of non amarr corporations are part of the campaign but know that the Order considers all such activity not related to the objective stated against the amarr and you should know that if you had taken excessive losses to non amarr corporations we would not have counted those either. We can not be accused of being unfair in our treatment of the entities we research. The Recordkeeper
The Recordkeeper Caldari Keepers of Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.17 05:04:00 - [53] Quote: 2007-03-31 -> 2007-07-06 (operations Judas Goat, Back for more, Slaughterhouse, Daisycutter) 1201 kills vs Amarrian/Ally/Mercenary vessels. 449 losses vs Amarrian/Ally/Mercenary vessels. Jasmine am I correct in seeing you are claiming privateer vessels are being counted in your statistics as well? That was a seperate war in which you held an overwhelming advantage in kills to losses and can legitimately declare a victory. I do have a question though about the legitimacy of that war as it was claimed by the sani sabbik leader that she had hired the privateers to attack you. If this is true this could appear an example of trying to inflate your statistics with a war against a much weaker opponent who happend to be hired by a friend of yours. This data is highly suspect and needs further analysis before we of the Order can even consider it valid and for now consider the entire privateer war contaiminated data. The Recordkeeper
Jonny Damordred Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.17 05:05:00 - [54] Originally by: The Recordkeeper The end of the declared war was 21june2007 not 06july2007 and any attempts by a corporation on either side to redeclare war weeks later to obtain one victory in battle before withdrawing appears to our Order designed to confuse the public and create false data which can not be tolerated. So, you are saying that Concord registered war declarations are the only ones that matter? For someone who wants to archive the total history of the cluster, your vision is quite narrow. The twisting of statistics are the tactics of politicians, not historians. I'd suggest you remember that in the future. Love and Ganking, Jonny D. -----
The Recordkeeper Caldari Keepers of Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.17 05:14:00 - [55] Quote: So, you are saying that Concord registered war declarations are the only ones that matter? For someone who wants to archive the total history of the cluster, your vision is quite narrow. The twisting of statistics are the tactics of politicians, not historians. I'd suggest you remember that in the future. Love and Ganking, Jonny D. Yes Jonny we of the Order believe that for a very simple reason that being it is factually verifiable. As an example if a corporation that had declared war on your two months ago redeclared on you for one day and achieved a victory then claimed that was the end of the previous war would you view that is a legitimate position or posturing to falsify data? The wars have a start and an ending date and those are the dates we will use in our statistical analysis to eliminate the possibility of others claiming false victory by citing other unverifiable statistics. This has benefited the star fraction as we did not include the massive kills over your corporation by others during the siege in providence on a ushra khan outpost as they were not related. I had read some had included those kills as well but like the kills from the redeclaration we view them as seperate events in the timeline. The view of the Order is not narrow at all it is wide and all encompassing because we know each war and event and date is one seperate from another and the universe moves in steps not leaps. This is to the benefit of all that our Order does this so all are treated the same just as you have been here. When we release cva statistics for the providence operation we will not consider that the start of your campaign and count your losses together just as we have not counted others losses together when wars had clearly expired and were redeclared. If someone declared on you next month and won a victory then withdrew and claimed a long ago campaign was now a victory for them we would not consider that valid and would argue on your side that those are not accurate statistical figures. The Recordkeeper
Ituralde Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.17 05:19:00 - [56] 754 Amarrian and directly allied combat vessels killed. This does not include industrials, shuttles, mining barges, capsules, or any such, nor does it include the Privateers hired against us in Amarr. A very conservative count of said combat vessels indicates that no less than 506 of these were either Aegis Militia, PIE inc., Vigilia Valeria, or CVA vessels. By comparison, we lost, against the combined might of not just PIE, AM, VV, and CVA, but all their direct allies including Sylph, NOS, CAIN(they did declare war on their own before joining the Aegis Militia, their losses in this period are not included in the 506), Cold Steel Alliance, North Star Confederation, We Are Nice Guys, The Volition Cult, Paxton Federation, and Fang Alliance, a total of 370 combat vessels. So, 754 to 370? Dear oh dear, I feel defeated already. Next time you want to come and play the numbers game, at least come with something remotely accurate. Go back to your books 'recordkeeper' and remind us to look you up next time we are looking for someone happy to kiss the hindquarters of the Amarrian bloc. _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
Redwolf Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.17 05:20:00 - [57] 'The Recordkeeper' has no access to official CVA battle records. Any comments regarding CVA statisics can be assumed to be unreliable at best, and complete lies at worst, unless publicised by an official from the CVA. ---- It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.17 05:52:00 - [58] Originally by: Redwolf 'The Recordkeeper' has no access to official CVA battle records. Any comments regarding CVA statisics can be assumed to be unreliable at best, and complete lies at worst, unless publicised by an official from the CVA. Ironic that the single thing the CVA and SF have ever been able to agree on is that "recordkeeper" is a complete farce. Star Fraction is recruiting
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.07.17 07:08:00 - [59] Oh dear, we're back to statistics again. before we attempt to bang the same old drum about rather dubious statistics, let us consider the impact of what the prime objective of this epic publicity stunt was all about. The full elimination of PIE (and no doubt a good chunk of the Amarrian 'bloc'). An objective that failed, miserably.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.17 07:11:00 - [60] Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen Oh dear, we're back to statistics again. before we attempt to bang the same old drum about rather dubious statistics, let us consider the impact of what the prime objective of this epic publicity stunt was all about. You don't have a clue what it was all about. Which is just as well because I can count the number of times you turned up on the battlefield on the digits of a fingerless flying glove. Star Fraction is recruiting

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