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Wise Seeker Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.07.06 23:29:00 - [1] So, I was on my way to do a mission and it was in a .4 system. I jump and see multiple ships flying around, not one flagged. I move, decloak and within 2 seconds they all at the same time lock on me and start shooting. As a natural response I fire back at whoever my current lock is on and then I get this message saying I'll get security decrease if I fire!!! What the hell. He shoots first, so I can shoot back, right?!? I know it's so. ------- Carefull, I can be a sore loser.
Wind Ictiva Delta Kappa Gamma	Posted - 2007.07.06 23:40:00 - [2] hmm, me thinks that someone only locked you but didn¦t fire (even though others in that group of pirates had already started firing on you). then you loced that guy who had locked you but hadn¦t started firing and fired first, meaning you got the security hit. i dont think you get a security hit shooting at someone who fired first. correct me if im wrong I was young and needed the money
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.07.06 23:41:00 - [3] Eve hates you and wants you to give me all your stuff then quit Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
Wise Seeker Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.07.06 23:42:00 - [4] Whoever I shot at, was flagged red towards me. So I still don't get it. What's worse, after docking at my home station, I got into another ship, waited for the global flagging to countdown, went out and got shot down by Concord! ------- Carefull, I can be a sore loser.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.06 23:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Wise Seeker Whoever I shot at, was flagged red towards me. So I still don't get it. What's worse, after docking at my home station, I got into another ship, waited for the global flagging to countdown, went out and got shot down by Concord! Yet another feature brought to you by the CCP QA department. I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Wind Ictiva Delta Kappa Gamma	Posted - 2007.07.06 23:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Wise Seeker Whoever I shot at, was flagged red towards me. So I still don't get it. What's worse, after docking at my home station, I got into another ship, waited for the global flagging to countdown, went out and got shot down by Concord! are you sure he wasnt just flashing red cause he was a -10? and getting killed by concord after your global criminal flag has ended is a very common bug. you should petition. I was young and needed the money
Destiny Calling Amarr Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.07 00:04:00 - [7] Originally by: Wind Ictiva Edited by: Wind Ictiva on 06/07/2007 23:54:33 Originally by: Wise Seeker Whoever I shot at, was flagged red towards me. So I still don't get it. What's worse, after docking at my home station, I got into another ship, waited for the global flagging to countdown, went out and got shot down by Concord! are you sure he wasnt just flashing red cause he was a -10? and getting killed by concord after your global criminal flag has ended is a very common bug. you should petition. Edit: if you do petition, point them to the log time where it states when you fired last and to the log time where it states when concord killed you. if there is more than 15 mins between, i cant see how they could not reimburse your ship If he was -10 (outlaw) then there would be no security hit for firing on it, most likely you fired on someone who had only locked you, and it was an overview bug, thta happens sometimes when there is 'blinky's on it thats right I need a new sig
Wind Ictiva Delta Kappa Gamma	Posted - 2007.07.07 00:07:00 - [8] Edited by: Wind Ictiva on 07/07/2007 00:08:35 Originally by: Destiny Calling Originally by: Wind Ictiva Edited by: Wind Ictiva on 06/07/2007 23:54:33 Originally by: Wise Seeker Whoever I shot at, was flagged red towards me. So I still don't get it. What's worse, after docking at my home station, I got into another ship, waited for the global flagging to countdown, went out and got shot down by Concord! are you sure he wasnt just flashing red cause he was a -10? and getting killed by concord after your global criminal flag has ended is a very common bug. you should petition. Edit: if you do petition, point them to the log time where it states when you fired last and to the log time where it states when concord killed you. if there is more than 15 mins between, i cant see how they could not reimburse your ship If he was -10 (outlaw) then there would be no security hit for firing on it, most likely you fired on someone who had only locked you, and it was an overview bug, thta happens sometimes when there is 'blinky's on it Right, what he said. Edit: unless... couldnt all those guys still be flashing red after shooting someone else at the gate? or would they only appear flashing to the guy they shot at?? I was young and needed the money
Wise Seeker Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.07.07 01:04:00 - [9] NO ONE was flashing when I entered and still cloaked. The lowest security there was, was a -1.7, the rest were all none flashing, none colored what so ever, they were all .4 and above. ------- Carefull, I can be a sore loser.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.07 01:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Wise Seeker Whoever I shot at, was flagged red towards me. So I still don't get it. What's worse, after docking at my home station, I got into another ship, waited for the global flagging to countdown, went out and got shot down by Concord! so you were in high sec? DE

Karlemgne The Malevolent	Posted - 2007.07.07 01:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Wise Seeker NO ONE was flashing when I entered and still cloaked. The lowest security there was, was a -1.7, the rest were all none flashing, none colored what so ever, they were all .4 and above. If nobody was flashing at you, at any time, then nobody was shooting at you. They just locked you, and then you fired on them, thus ganking yourself.
Oregon sinful Corp 1 Allstars	Posted - 2007.07.07 02:00:00 - [12] this is how noobs learn, gl next gank. lol Oregon Sinful - The Original Sin - Personnel Director Killboard...We PWN!!!
Wise Seeker Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.07.07 02:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Wise Seeker NO ONE was flashing when I entered and still cloaked. The lowest security there was, was a -1.7, the rest were all none flashing, none colored what so ever, they were all .4 and above. If nobody was flashing at you, at any time, then nobody was shooting at you. They just locked you, and then you fired on them, thus ganking yourself. No No No. Let me say it again. I jumped into a .4 system. After jumping, I saw multiple BS' and Cruisers in the overview. Only one had low sec status, all the others were .4 sec status and higher. So, I decided to move on to my mission location. Within half a second I got target locked by all of them. They they got flagged towards me, without me even pulling the trigger. Flagging means I'm being shot at. So, I start shooting back, then I got the security hit and got podded. Strangely enough they didn't podkill me. I think this should be clear enough now. ------- Carefull, I can be a sore loser.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.07.07 02:45:00 - [14] Originally by: Wise Seeker Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Wise Seeker NO ONE was flashing when I entered and still cloaked. The lowest security there was, was a -1.7, the rest were all none flashing, none colored what so ever, they were all .4 and above. If nobody was flashing at you, at any time, then nobody was shooting at you. They just locked you, and then you fired on them, thus ganking yourself. No No No. Let me say it again. I jumped into a .4 system. After jumping, I saw multiple BS' and Cruisers in the overview. Only one had low sec status, all the others were .4 sec status and higher. So, I decided to move on to my mission location. Within half a second I got target locked by all of them. They they got flagged towards me, without me even pulling the trigger. Flagging means I'm being shot at. So, I start shooting back, then I got the security hit and got podded. Strangely enough they didn't podkill me. I think this should be clear enough now. Petition it and stop posting. You're not the only one who has ever been the victim of CCP's bugs. BUYING Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Prospector' PPH-2, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
T'Renn Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.07 02:56:00 - [15] I'm hijacking your thread to say hello to m1. You mentioned .4 and CONCORD in the same system so it's safe to say you don't know what you're talking about anyway. Hello, m1. --
Taipan Gedscho Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.07 04:26:00 - [16] Edited by: Taipan Gedscho on 07/07/2007 04:27:05 i think its only safe to say he doesnt explain every step, because he assumes eve-o readers can actually read and use their brain. it reeks like this: he lives in a highsec hub, got a mish to 0.4. jumped there, got attacked, defended himself and got a flag. wasnt podkilled. flew home (into highsec) docked got a new ship waited for the timer to run out undocked and got concordokkened am i right, mr. OP? Only you can save mmorpgs - Stop crying for nerfs today!
PCaBoo Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.07 08:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Taipan Gedscho Edited by: Taipan Gedscho on 07/07/2007 04:27:05 i think its only safe to say he doesnt explain every step, because he assumes eve-o readers can actually read and use their brain. it reeks like this: he lives in a highsec hub, got a mish to 0.4. jumped there, got attacked, defended himself and got a flag. wasnt podkilled. flew home (into highsec) docked got a new ship waited for the timer to run out undocked and got concordokkened am i right, mr. OP? but he clearly states he got podded, then was surprised that he wasn't podded. > ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Kesh McCall Caldari Galactic Science Network	Posted - 2007.07.07 08:59:00 - [18] Edited by: Kesh McCall on 07/07/2007 09:00:28 Originally by: T'Renn I'm hijacking your thread to say hello to m1. You mentioned .4 and CONCORD in the same system so it's safe to say you don't know what you're talking about anyway. Hello, m1. and where did he mention concord ? What happend to him anyway is a messed up overview setting, no matter what system it was. He was aimed towards a mission, usaly a standard overview shows everyone who is targeting you as a red blinking thingy. no matter if they actually shoot you. And besides of that, people at a gate in 0.4 ideling around .. are in 99 % of the time not there to drink some tea and help out people passing through... And as long as you have never been in Pvp either in lowsec or in 0.0 you will allways get the little message box asking you if you want to do that or not. Once he unchecks it it will only appear once more in the case that HE is aggressing. He could have shoot back without loosing sec or getting reprimended in any case. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar White-Noise Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.07 09:28:00 - [19] I've personally had one or two seconds of lag between someone flagging themselves to me and being able to shoot back without sec loss and sentry fire, depending on the situation.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.07 09:57:00 - [20] Edited by: DarkElf on 07/07/2007 09:57:46 Originally by: Kesh McCall Edited by: Kesh McCall on 07/07/2007 09:00:28 Originally by: T'Renn I'm hijacking your thread to say hello to m1. You mentioned .4 and CONCORD in the same system so it's safe to say you don't know what you're talking about anyway. Hello, m1. and where did he mention concord ? Originally by: Wise Seeker Whoever I shot at, was flagged red towards me. So I still don't get it. What's worse, after docking at my home station, I got into another ship, waited for the global flagging to countdown, went out and got shot down by Concord! Pretty much there ^ And yeh T'renn i was heding to the same thing. tbh you say u got podded by they didn't podkill you, you got concorded but u were in low sec. Me thinks you're not quite sure what happened. I'm gonna guess that u locked a few random ppl and fired on 1 of them that hadn't yet aggressed you. Either that or a bug but that's unlikely. Obviously u don't pvp much so quite possibly you just fired on the wrong target. DE

vasco di Gallente kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.07.07 12:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Wise Seeker Whoever I shot at, was flagged red towards me. So I still don't get it. What's worse, after docking at my home station, I got into another ship, waited for the global flagging to countdown, went out and got shot down by Concord! ROFLMFAO!!!!!
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.07 12:46:00 - [22] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 07/07/2007 12:48:49 Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Taipan Gedscho Edited by: Taipan Gedscho on 07/07/2007 04:27:05 i think its only safe to say he doesnt explain every step, because he assumes eve-o readers can actually read and use their brain. it reeks like this: he lives in a highsec hub, got a mish to 0.4. jumped there, got attacked, defended himself and got a flag. wasnt podkilled. flew home (into highsec) docked got a new ship waited for the timer to run out undocked and got concordokkened am i right, mr. OP? but he clearly states he got podded, then was surprised that he wasn't podded. > But some of you read more than 1 world every 3? For the OP Podded != Pdokilled (and I will say I find the use in forum usually confused). He use PODDED as = to lose the skilp and be left there in his pod PODKILLED = to be killed while in the pod So he was podded (his ship was killed, and he was left with his pod) but not podkilled (he wasn't killed in his pod). The other thing about CONCORD attacking him after he returned to his home base (evidently in high sec) was clear too. As least if you stop to think 0.5 seconds before posting. Quote: What happend to him anyway is a messed up overview setting, no matter what system it was. He was aimed towards a mission, usaly a standard overview shows everyone who is targeting you as a red blinking thingy. no matter if they actually shoot you. Your standard overview setting must be very strange. I have the orange square around the "enemy" ship when someone is targetting me, while when he is firing on me I have a flashing red bar. Very hard to confuse those.
hUssmann Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.07 14:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Wise Seeker then I got the security hit and got podded. Originally by: Wise Seeker Strangely enough they didn't podkill me. Originally by: Wise Seeker I think this should be clear enough now. Er, no it's not. Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat.
weedmasta Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.07 14:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Wise Seeker Whoever I shot at, was flagged red towards me. So I still don't get it. What's worse, after docking at my home station, I got into another ship, waited for the global flagging to countdown, went out and got shot down by Concord! If you are sure about him being red then it is a bug. It happened to me before (which cost me a frigate)unfortunately CCP wouldn't hear of it. ___________________________________ Shuuuun, shuuuun the smacktalkers.
PYROnoxx Serial Killers Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.07 14:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Wise Seeker What's worse, after docking at my home station, I got into another ship, waited for the global flagging to countdown, went out and got shot down by Concord! this happens to me all the time but since im always in low sec i don't get shot by concord just the sentry's gotta love em <3
Doctor Dre	Posted - 2007.07.07 17:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Venkul Mul For the OP Podded != Pdokilled Earning pdokills makes me happy Im not a typo freak, i just think that sounds funny as hell
Piwat King	Posted - 2007.07.08 12:25:00 - [27] Go into settings (hit esc) and in generic look under "auto target back" which is a drop down box. there is a selection of numbers, set it to 0. what it prevents. someone in a group of pirates locking onto you with a fast lock ship who is neutral, that doesn't agress you but makes it so he's the first lock on your target list. he then hopes you are panicked enough not to notice and just start hitting f1, f2, f3, f4 etc and then the gate guns start hitting you and they get an easy kill
Taipan Gedscho Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.08 17:26:00 - [28] Edited by: Taipan Gedscho on 08/07/2007 17:26:27 and i think thats exactly what happened, wether they did it on purpose or somebody was just slow with activating stuff doesnt matter. the brackets around the target symbol in the ov where either yellow or bugged. judging from the op's line Quote: As a natural response I fire back at whoever my current lock is on and then I get this message saying I'll get security decrease if I fire! id say he didnt quite check, who he was actually shooting, and opened up on the one aggressor, that hadnt fired yet. and yeah, my previous post stands. read and think. podded != podkilled btw. just if youre lazy. Only you can save mmorpgs - Stop crying for nerfs today!
Wise Seeker Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.07.09 16:39:00 - [29] lol, I admit, I don't have that much PvP experience, but I do know when someone is shooting me. Quick recap, I uncloaked and a couple seconds got targetted. Before I knew, I got shot at (shield going down and combat logs) I was able to look who was shooting at me and started shooting back at him. I know that if someone is shooting me I can't shoot him unless i want sec hit. So, I switched to the agressor and shot. I hope this IS clear enough now. And, I do know how to set my overview. Maybe you should read better before posting. No one was flashing untill they started shooting. ------- Carefull, I can be a sore loser.
Serret Nevets Vindictive Behavior THE H0RDE	Posted - 2007.07.09 17:09:00 - [30] since we're all clarifying things here, when your global criminal countdown timer expires and you leave the dock and get blown up anyway, this isn't by Concord, it is by the factional navy, Gallente, Minmitar, Caldari, Amarr. You're just as dead usually, but you can alway run away if you can. It's the same for a having a really low sec status and venturing into high sec space. It isn't Concord that blows you up, it's the factional navy. Take a look at them next time it happens to you. (you can fight back but you'll loose) Spanking or being spanked... it's up to you.



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