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![Sheriff Jones Sheriff Jones](https://images.evetech.net/characters/673085407/portrait?size=64)
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.07 19:27:00 -
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All who take things a bit too serious or believe everything is a whine/qq, turn now and go to another part of the room. This is not to be taken TOO seriously.
Well, this just came to me in a momentary lapse of sanity. Forgot my meds probably. Anyhoo...
Pirates in corporations in itself is a silly idea. Sure, some form of ganging is infact the style of pirates, but even then, there's probably a backstabber or ten in the midst.
That's not the issue really.
The issue is more, but not completely, is that wardeccnig isn't piracy, it's a declaration of war, used by goverments and such, but not really piracy.
Pirates in EVE are organised, have rules and regulations and even fight eachother in legitimate wars ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
Am i the only one who thinks that piracy in EVE is a bit, well, not really piracy?
There are those who are, well, MORE towards the pirate style of life, but mostly it's big pirate corporations and more towards suited men with patches on their eyes going "Yarr i do declare!"
NOW! To the point. What i would like to see is the possibility to remove yourself from the grid so to speak. As in, become a pirate and not belong to any corporation. Ofcourse this would lead to you being free cannon food for anyone or some such "balance" thing, but this game "needs" a REAL pirate profession.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
![Tortun Nahme Tortun Nahme](https://images.evetech.net/characters/613714382/portrait?size=64)
Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.07 19:29:00 -
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people already whine about the pirates in npc corps ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon!
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![Sheriff Jones Sheriff Jones](https://images.evetech.net/characters/673085407/portrait?size=64)
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.07 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 07/07/2007 19:30:19
Originally by: Tortun Nahme people already whine about the pirates in npc corps ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Yeah, that's even WORSE. Goverment offices/corporations employing pirates? ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
![Tortun Nahme Tortun Nahme](https://images.evetech.net/characters/613714382/portrait?size=64)
Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.07 19:31:00 -
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well technically thats all piracy has ever been ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon!
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![Tarminic Tarminic](https://images.evetech.net/characters/674486934/portrait?size=64)
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.07 19:34:00 -
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Well what gives you the exclusive ability to define what is and isn't piracy?
Originally by: Webster practice of a pirate; robbery or illegal violence at sea.
For our purposes we can assume that space is the equivalent to sea in New Eden. A pirate is trying to make money by stealing what other players have. If pirates can do so more effectively my grouping together and dividing their earnings, who's to say that is no longer considered piracy? Pirates don't just operate individually...one guy in a rowboat with a sword won't be nearly as effective at sinking merchant ships as twenty pirates in an armed sailing vessel, no? The same applies here.
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![Tarminic Tarminic](https://images.evetech.net/characters/674486934/portrait?size=64)
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.07 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Yeah, that's even WORSE. Goverment offices/corporations employing pirates? ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
If they're being employed, they're officially mercenaries. ![Cool](/images/icon_cool.gif)
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![Sheriff Jones Sheriff Jones](https://images.evetech.net/characters/673085407/portrait?size=64)
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.07 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic Well what gives you the exclusive ability to define what is and isn't piracy?
Originally by: Webster practice of a pirate; robbery or illegal violence at sea.
For our purposes we can assume that space is the equivalent to sea in New Eden. A pirate is trying to make money by stealing what other players have. If pirates can do so more effectively my grouping together and dividing their earnings, who's to say that is no longer considered piracy? Pirates don't just operate individually...one guy in a rowboat with a sword won't be nearly as effective at sinking merchant ships as twenty pirates in an armed sailing vessel, no? The same applies here.
Well i was speaking in the matter from the point of view of old pirates. That definition of piracy is valid, but there's much more to it also.
The problem isn't with them grouping, but actually having corporations and shares and such. It's just a bit too organised for the "role" of a pirate.
What i would like to see is some form of, well, alternate corporation thing where the uses of it are more pirate related perhaps.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
![Tarminic Tarminic](https://images.evetech.net/characters/674486934/portrait?size=64)
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.07 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Well i was speaking in the matter from the point of view of old pirates. That definition of piracy is valid, but there's much more to it also.
The problem isn't with them grouping, but actually having corporations and shares and such. It's just a bit too organised for the "role" of a pirate.
What i would like to see is some form of, well, alternate corporation thing where the uses of it are more pirate related perhaps.
Well technically the gameplay mechanics exist that allow groups of pirates to distribute shares, excetera. I view this as more a shift in perception regarding pirate...modern day pirates still exist and use all of the modern technology available to them to make a profit. I just view it as intelligent pirate realizing that the corporate entity is a good model of organization, and using that shell of an entity for their own evil purposes. ![Twisted Evil](/images/icon_twisted.gif)
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![Imperator Jora'h Imperator Jora'h](https://images.evetech.net/characters/123372088/portrait?size=64)
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.07.07 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 07/07/2007 19:30:19
Originally by: Tortun Nahme people already whine about the pirates in npc corps ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Yeah, that's even WORSE. Goverment offices/corporations employing pirates? ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
Used to be common practice. Back in the hey-day of pirates countries would often issue a Letter of Marque to pirates which basically said, "We're cool if you go kill those guys for us and we won't bug you about it." Sort of a war by proxy without actually declaring war on whoever you are after. Henry Morgan and William Kidd are two notable pirates who were granted Letters of Marque.
As for war deccing in EVE well it is just pirates making use of the system. We usually do not call legitimate corporations these days "pirates" but they use the legal system in all sorts of ways to mess with their competition (and often that is all the legal case is...a way to mess with the other guy and keep him off balance awhile if not outright put him out of business).
Many war decs are nothing more than an attempt at extortion. Seems piratey enough to me.
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![Malcanis Malcanis](https://images.evetech.net/characters/301445721/portrait?size=64)
Malcanis
High4Life Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.07 20:08:00 -
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Well it's easy enough to create a 1-man corp.
Step (1): Create corp as normal Step (2): Don't let anyone else join. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
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![Isaac Cremieux Isaac Cremieux](https://images.evetech.net/characters/472170576/portrait?size=64)
Isaac Cremieux
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Posted - 2007.07.07 20:16:00 -
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I think it is interesting that folks consistently call for pirates in Eve to conform to an 18th century stereotype. In Eve you have very decentralized Empires (in the sense that there is only real 'state' control in certain areas of the galaxies and as a result theoretically few ways to really regulate corporations. It seems like it would stand to reason that pirates would form corporate bodies and even declare war on other pirate corporations.
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![SiJira SiJira](https://images.evetech.net/characters/955154567/portrait?size=64)
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.07 20:20:00 -
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pirates in npc corps? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some |
![Stamin Primer Stamin Primer](https://images.evetech.net/characters/690981124/portrait?size=64)
Stamin Primer
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Posted - 2007.07.07 20:41:00 -
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OK, I am a pirate on EVE and I just have to say that the reason why I am not IN an npc corp is 1) because I absolutely HATE NPC corps, and 2) at least in a pirating corporation is better than not!!!
I like pirating corporations more because they can wardec and be wardec'ed while NPC corporations cannot. Also, you have a smaller amount of people in one place that can learn and have fun together and are able to set corp standings red or blue to another corp/alliance. Plus, you can count on having someone on at least SOMETIMES to help you out if you need it, that is my view on it.
But realy, if you want to wonder about why pirates are in corporations that are not controlled by NPC's, then why not ask one if you see one in local? I personally like it because you have less of a chance of being popped and podded a lot... ![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
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![SiJira SiJira](https://images.evetech.net/characters/955154567/portrait?size=64)
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.09 04:06:00 -
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if your sec rating goes below -5 you should be kicked out of npc corp and declared an outlaw that can be wardecced just like anyone in a corp - except cheaper
____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some |
![Santa Anna Santa Anna](https://images.evetech.net/characters/679298087/portrait?size=64)
Santa Anna
Caldari Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.09 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic Well what gives you the exclusive ability to define what is and isn't piracy?
Originally by: Webster practice of a pirate; robbery or illegal violence at sea.
For our purposes we can assume that space is the equivalent to sea in New Eden. A pirate is trying to make money by stealing what other players have. If pirates can do so more effectively my grouping together and dividing their earnings, who's to say that is no longer considered piracy? Pirates don't just operate individually...one guy in a rowboat with a sword won't be nearly as effective at sinking merchant ships as twenty pirates in an armed sailing vessel, no? The same applies here.
I thought when people grouped together to steal from others it was called a labor union. _____ Heat Warfare |
![Lilian Long Lilian Long](https://images.evetech.net/characters/969458567/portrait?size=64)
Lilian Long
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Posted - 2007.07.09 04:39:00 -
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Edited by: Lilian Long on 09/07/2007 04:39:41
Originally by: SiJira if your sec rating goes below -5 you should be kicked out of npc corp and declared an outlaw that can be wardecced just like anyone in a corp - except cheaper
Think most players with -5.0 to -10.0 stay there for some time, because it requires a lot of ratting in 0.0 to get the security rating back up. You can kill those guys everywhere anyway, so not much difference I think.
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![F'nog F'nog](https://images.evetech.net/characters/858768261/portrait?size=64)
F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.07.09 06:04:00 -
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I don't know that a corp means one isn't a pirate.
Historically (sorry) pirates have had well-organized groups who fought their enemies. Captain Morgan is a prime example of this. He fought Spain in Central America and inflicted great distress upon them.
Also there's the problem of the Letters of Marque, as above, which made pirates an operative branch of various countries, especially England, Captain Morgan again.
So it's not that impossible to imagine that Eve pirates can be both coordinated, and serving another group.
And while I'd like to believe that Eve pirates operate solely in low sec and wear their sec status as a badge, thus they stay in low sec and don't need official wars to kill their enemies/sources of income, if they use the historical method of Letters of Marque they have to declare war to pursue and defeat their enemies in high sec, where they flee to avoid conflict (much like an historical merchant fleeing to a port, where he thinks he's safe, only to be attacked). (boy, that's a long sentence).
But I do see a problem in Eve of those who claim to be pirates vs. those who really are. The real pirates attack anyone who may be valuable in low sec and suffer the consequences accordingly, especially sec status and bounties. The people who think they're pirates complain when things aren't "fair" to them. These include those who complain that it's too hard to regain sec rating, or that it's unfair that enemies escape, or that the consequences of attacking someone are imbalanced. I won't name names, but we all know certain people who fit this bill.
I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
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![Kidd Billups Kidd Billups](https://images.evetech.net/characters/680715524/portrait?size=64)
Kidd Billups
Nirvana. W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2007.07.09 06:15:00 -
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well, hello my name is sheriff, well, im here to, well, talk about piracy and, well, how there should, well, be no pirate corps b/c, well, frankly its stupid and even though i dont pirate which makes this, well, no concern to me. Well, i seem to have, well, forgotten that not every pirate corp in this, well, game war decs other pirate corps...
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![Sheriff Jones Sheriff Jones](https://images.evetech.net/characters/673085407/portrait?size=64)
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.09 07:27:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 09/07/2007 07:27:59
Originally by: Kidd Billups well, hello my name is sheriff, well, im here to, well, talk about piracy and, well, how there should, well, be no pirate corps b/c, well, frankly its stupid and even though i dont pirate which makes this, well, no concern to me. Well, i seem to have, well, forgotten that not every pirate corp in this, well, game war decs other pirate corps...
Ahuh *scratches groin* Wll i thell you hwat son, why dun ya go and like well, read the original post and espechually the part about not taking it so serious.
Or how about that i'm part of a pirate corporation?
You fail at flame, do you wanna play again?
I'm not saying that there's a BIG WHINEY QQ problem with it, i'm saying that pirates need their own corporation system that is more...pirate-y.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
![Banana Torres Banana Torres](https://images.evetech.net/characters/232899946/portrait?size=64)
Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.09 09:12:00 -
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Well, form a one man corp "Queen Anne's Revenge" and set sail bellowing "yarr!".
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![Savage Creampuff Savage Creampuff](https://images.evetech.net/characters/359240392/portrait?size=64)
Savage Creampuff
Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.09 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 09/07/2007 07:27:59...i'm saying that pirates need their own corporation system that is more...pirate-y.
I'd like to see this happen
Quote: I've sent in plenty of petitions but it seems that CCP just doesn't care about me. Without knowledge of market dynamics theres no way I can compete with these griefers
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![Victor Ivanov Victor Ivanov](https://images.evetech.net/characters/343473655/portrait?size=64)
Victor Ivanov
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.09 11:31:00 -
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Piracy is dead.
Kleptomaniacs and Octobersnow set a new standard for what used to be piracy, and which is now Ganking. If that's your thing, I won't cast any aspersions on that proffession.
But long time pirates such as myself flinch everytime we see someone in C&P address himself as a pirate.
The term originates from, as you may have figured, real life pirates, who stole as a proffession, to make money.
2 years ago, Piracy meant small gang warfare. Roaming belts, fast hit and run tactics, adrenaline pumping while engaging larger targets for the sake of gaining their loot. A tight group of people who fully trust each other, know their individual weaknesses and strengths, function as one coherent whole, knowing at every turn that one mistake will get your entire team killed.
What used to be a distinctly different form of PVP from fleet warfare has become more and more similiar. Less focus on tactics, more focus on superior numbers.
Real pirates will agree with me: The piracy as we knew and loved is no more. Time to find another proffession. ----------------------
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![SasRipper SasRipper](https://images.evetech.net/characters/990841448/portrait?size=64)
SasRipper
DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2007.07.09 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Ivanov
Real pirates will agree with me: The piracy as we knew and loved is no more. Time to find another proffession.
LIES LIES! Well truth tbh ![Crying or Very sad](/images/icon_cry.gif)
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![Arachidamia Arachidamia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/773870032/portrait?size=64)
Arachidamia
Matari People's Front
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Posted - 2007.07.09 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres Well, form a one man corp "Queen Anne's Revenge" and set sail bellowing "yarr!".
My rupture is called that. And I'm not even a pirate! ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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![Piotr Anatolev Piotr Anatolev](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1447744660/portrait?size=64)
Piotr Anatolev
Gallente The Geriatrics
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Posted - 2007.07.09 16:58:00 -
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Since day one I was like why do you need to be in a corporation.
Why not as single individuals if desired? A technical feat needed for it? Databse overhead galore?
Meh, give us the ability to disassociate our characters entirely from any corp for whatever reason, the one above included.
Immersion ftw
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![SiJira SiJira](https://images.evetech.net/characters/955154567/portrait?size=64)
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.09 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lilian Long Edited by: Lilian Long on 09/07/2007 04:39:41
Originally by: SiJira if your sec rating goes below -5 you should be kicked out of npc corp and declared an outlaw that can be wardecced just like anyone in a corp - except cheaper
Think most players with -5.0 to -10.0 stay there for some time, because it requires a lot of ratting in 0.0 to get the security rating back up. You can kill those guys everywhere anyway, so not much difference I think.
podding not destroying ships ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some |
![Kidd Billups Kidd Billups](https://images.evetech.net/characters/680715524/portrait?size=64)
Kidd Billups
Nirvana. W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2007.07.09 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 09/07/2007 07:27:59
Originally by: Kidd Billups well, hello my name is sheriff, well, im here to, well, talk about piracy and, well, how there should, well, be no pirate corps b/c, well, frankly its stupid and even though i dont pirate which makes this, well, no concern to me. Well, i seem to have, well, forgotten that not every pirate corp in this, well, game war decs other pirate corps...
Ahuh *scratches groin* Wll i thell you hwat son, why dun ya go and like well, read the original post and espechually the part about not taking it so serious.
Or how about that i'm part of a pirate corporation?
You fail at flame, do you wanna play again?
I'm not saying that there's a BIG WHINEY QQ problem with it, i'm saying that pirates need their own corporation system that is more...pirate-y.
Ahuh. i was taking that thread anything but seriously. and i never said you weren't in a pirate corp. i just said you didn't pirate. Killing, well, afk shuttles and badgers with, well, 1x expanded cargo hold I on autopilot isn't considered pirating, just, well, pathetic.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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![jilahed jilahed](https://images.evetech.net/characters/852357555/portrait?size=64)
jilahed
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira if your sec rating goes below -5 you should be kicked out of npc corp and declared an outlaw that can be wardecced just like anyone in a corp - except cheaper
Somebody who is -5.0 or below can be killed and podded everywhere anytime and without any repercussions by concord. This is not in any way dependent on the corp he is member of and it doesn't cost any money. Why somebody would need such an option is thus beyond me.
Please understand existing game mechanics before you propose new silly ones.
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