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exxxie	Posted - 2007.07.08 02:08:00 - [31] I bet lots of people thought today's concerts were a waste of time and energy. This kind of thing (not least Al Gore himself) really turns people off. I took the time today to visit George Monbiot's blog and catch up with his latest thoughts. -- Originally by: CCP Sharkbait you people make me question the sanity of the human race sometimes
Barbarellas Daughter Lonely Barbarella	Posted - 2007.07.08 02:28:00 - [32] Originally by: Amantus I enjoy flying large distances manually. ____________________________________________ Originally by: Marduk Felzhen You have an amazing cleavage, except you have no arms :(
Bruin Ulafsson Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.08 02:35:00 - [33] By the time any global warming caused by me is noticeable, I'll be long gone, so I'm going to make the most of it and use what I can, and not take notice of anyone who says "OMG, save the planet, use a bike instead of a car, don't breathe out dangerous carbon deposits...". I'd drive to the garage to get groceries, if I needed them, and it's 20 metres away across the road!
Infinity Ziona Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.08 02:56:00 - [34] My long term desires of 1) Eating a Whale 2) Eating a Dolphin and 3) Eating 10 Thai Girls, are only amplified by the whole Live Earth hypocrisy. The Privateering Life
pwnedgato kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.07.08 02:59:00 - [35] I almost bought a prius today. Then I woke up from my nightmare ----- Stop whining about BoB! Leave 0.0 and find the real fun in low sec!
Cherybol Caldari Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.07.08 03:05:00 - [36] I believe the South Park episode about Hippies best illustrates this 'Live Earth' day event. A whole lotta crunchy grooves, a whole lotta no actual progression towards virtuous agenda.
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.08 03:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Webster Belken Originally by: Locus Bey If you'd actually done your research as you said, you'd know it's fact. It makes me wonder thus what credible sources you've bothered to actually look at. If you want a helping hand, try this And yes, I'm familiar with that work. It helped frame the disenting view for a thesis I'm working on. And here is a "helping hand" for you: http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle For every so called scientific fact you can find, there are countering opinions by thier peers and other respected professionals. If only the Jovians to make a stop on Earth and say "Ummm . . . the sun has cycles. Deal with it! You earthlings you really must have a high opinion of yourself to think you can have an effect on the sun.". The sun has 11-year cycles, not 160-year ones. Also, the troposphere is warming, but higher layers are not; in fact, they are cooling. That is inconsistent with a hypothesis of warming caused by increased solar output, but lines up precisely with our understanding of how the greenhouse effect works. But, I'll meet you in the middle. One third time for Intelligent Design and God Will Fix This Soon(tm), one third time for if-I-shut-my-eyes-real-hard-global-warming-doesn't-exist-ism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.07.08 03:48:00 - [38] I think a lot of the cynicism here is misplaced. While the concerts do not directly effect change, highlighting and popularising a desire to change goes a long way to make the worlds governments rethink the speed with which they address global warming. Unfortunately it takes seemingly tired old methods to motivate people and governments to do anything. Of course the armchair cynics superficially pick it to bits, but in the long run, the more popular the tide becomes, the better for us all. Much of our culture these days doesn't seem to give a **** unless something directly effects them here and now. Happy to drink in the soma, and let someone else worry about the 'problem.' As those who say "I won't be around," maybe a thought for your children might not go astray. I understand you can't muster the compassion for the rest of humanity
Chucky Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.07.08 04:01:00 - [39] Look out, the sky is falling IT wasn't too long ago (weeks) that I had 6 feet of "global warming" blocking my driveway ... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture.
JamesTalon Caldari Electric Fury Corp	Posted - 2007.07.08 04:21:00 - [40] I saved power by training MWD and trying to see how far/long I could go in a T1 frigate, and then continued with my training for Carriers. "Return with your shield, or on it."
Spenz Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.08 04:52:00 - [41] Can you even imagine how much energy...how much trash...how much POLLUTION was created by the Earth Live concert thingy? Not only in one place, but what....13? WORLDWIDE! Its a great example as to why hippies dont solve anything. Blocking Oil tankers in tugs and trawlers that burn hundreds of gallons of fuel oil. Forming big 'save the world' concerts that probably cosume as much energy and create as much trash as a small city. Chanting 'no nukes' one time and 'no anti-nukes' (referrence to the ABM protests) 30 years later; calling for solar and wind power when in reality it would take thousands of acres of fresh land for the solar plants and wind farms to make it as viable as 1 nuclear reactor... As for global warming. yes it is occuring. Its a natural cycle after all, but to have the audacity and the arrogance to believe that it is all man-made...I think you underestimate mother nature a bit. So down with hippies, greenpeace, and Earth Live. Dont forget Al Gores private jet, Limo SUV, and 10,000 dollar monthly electric bill. If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
Rilder Caldari THC LTD	Posted - 2007.07.08 05:09:00 - [42] Originally by: Vincent Rainbow I have "sun is occluded by ships" ticked so the extra sun doesn't globally warm my room through the monitor. Win tbh. Visit my blog =)http://rilderslog.blogspot.com/
Jane Vladmir Gallente Dreamscape Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.08 05:28:00 - [43] Originally by: Infinity Ziona My long term desires of 1) Eating a Whale 2) Eating a Dolphin and 3) Eating 10 Thai Girls, are only amplified by the whole Live Earth hypocrisy. Come to Iceland. This can be arranged, it's called ¦orrabl=t.
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.07.08 07:14:00 - [44] I guess you realise the concerts were run as carbon neutral events? It's really good to see how informed these forums are
1337 AliP	Posted - 2007.07.08 07:36:00 - [45] Hippies? Grr.. (Desperately trying to hold the flameball in my mouth). Take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw Aint exacly earth day, but its the same stupid sh!t. Hundreds of ppl signed it and even the head organizer of the rally did it. Just how fkn stupid can ppl get. FFS
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.07.08 07:43:00 - [46] Originally by: 1337 AliP Hippies? Grr.. (Desperately trying to hold the flameball in my mouth). Take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw Aint exacly earth day, but its the same stupid sh!t. Hundreds of ppl signed it and even the head organizer of the rally did it. Just how fkn stupid can ppl get. FFS I'd say that has more to do with your education system than anything else. 30% of americans don't know when 9/11 was
1337 AliP	Posted - 2007.07.08 07:47:00 - [47] Your? You saying im a s+up!d American. Anyway its still pretty stupid, some didnt even ask what they were supporting, sounds like the classic hippie, "wtf is this, oh dude it must be a petition for allowing pot... uhh... lets sign it..."
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.08 08:02:00 - [48] And here I thought we were asking CCP to give us three downtimes a day. One US, one EU and one AP. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Mo adib	Posted - 2007.07.08 08:18:00 - [49] Originally by: Webster Belken sigh I grabbed the first google hit because my work is in my office at the University. If I wasnt engaged in pew pew pew, I would have done a better job finding a better post. I grow weary of this. It pains me to see so many brain-washed lemmings that actually don't do their own research and just express the the popular view of the day. Believe what you must, just dont force your political will on those who don't go along with you. And on that note, I am off to the pub. how good of you to post one link to utter bs then when it gets shot down assault everyone else for not doing there research before you withdraw from an argument without providing any research yourself..... you sir are a politician in the making, enjoy your career down corruption lane on BS avenue and for the afterlife pack sunscreen
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.07.08 08:38:00 - [50] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire And here I thought we were asking CCP to give us three downtimes a day. One US, one EU and one AP. looking at the replies to my lighthearted thread(spelling like 'honor', degrees F, groceries, lots of AC owners) and that most replies happened whist I slept, it looks like americans took the most issue to this subject
Solothores Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.08 08:54:00 - [51] Edited by: Solothores on 08/07/2007 09:03:03 Edited by: Solothores on 08/07/2007 08:56:21 Edited by: Solothores on 08/07/2007 08:54:23 Originally by: Spenz As for global warming. yes it is occuring. Its a natural cycle after all, but to have the audacity and the arrogance to believe that it is all man-made...I think you underestimate mother nature a bit. We don't even fully understand the nature of all those elements that influence world climate, besides of how all elements are exactly dependent on each other, and which of those elements have the biggest effect. But we sure do understand global warming as a manmade sickness - and much more important, we DO know how to stop it. That is the epitome of ignorance. A war-of-terror-like salvation promise. To even think that you are able to stop a global process, playes into the same league of obscure scientific reality as those guys, that really played with the thought to stop hurricanes by using nukes or global organisations that have the idea, to be able to stop global pandemics from spreading, once they outbreak. A religion is forming around ppl that aren't even able to understand "basic elements" like weather formation in it's complete scale. This planet is nearly 4.5 billion years old (3000 years for the intelligent designers in here)... mankinds weather records have been written down systemetically on a global scale date back to hundred years at max. Science is always again stumbling over indications that the global climate is cycling and that "change in the nature enviroment" is a rule and not an exception. Stability is not an indicator for health in my opinion. If there was no change at all, mankind should really start to worry themselves. Time for mankind to wake up and get used to the fact, that this rock lives and doesn't care at all about hurting human feelings. Cheers S.
Whoa Bundy hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.08 09:04:00 - [52] Originally by: Tarminic I eat my babies raw instead of cooking them first. Saves gas. That's great! Also, it helps lower the population, which means even less gas used for times to come! =) ____________________
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.07.08 09:06:00 - [53] Originally by: Solothores Edited by: Solothores on 08/07/2007 08:56:21 Edited by: Solothores on 08/07/2007 08:54:23 Originally by: Spenz As for global warming. yes it is occuring. Its a natural cycle after all, but to have the audacity and the arrogance to believe that it is all man-made...I think you underestimate mother nature a bit. We don't even fully understand the nature of all those elements that influence world climate, besides of how all elements are dependent on each other, and which of those elements have the biggest effect. But we sure do understand global warming as a manmade sickness - and much more important, we DO know how to stop it. That is the epitome of ignorance. A war-of-terror-like salvation promise. To even think that you are able to stop a global process, playes into the same league of obscure scientific reality as those guys that really played with the thought to stop hurricanes by using nukes or have the idea, to be able to stop a global pandemic from spreading. A religion is forming around ppl that aren't even able to understand weather formation in it's whole. This planet is nearly 4.5 billion years old (3000 years for the intelligent designers in here)... mankinds weather records have been written down systemetically on a global scale date back to hundred years at max. Science is always again stumbling over indications that the global climate is cycling and that "change in the nature enviroment" is a rule and not an exception. Stability is not a healthy indicator. If there was no change at all, ppls should really starting to worry themself. Time for humans to wake up and get used to it, that this rock doesn't care about what humans view as being a normal state. Cheers S. we have records dating back millions of years, ice cores for example. the last 100 years stand out like dogs balls in the said time period, nothing like it has ever occurred in such a short period of time. you need a basic course in global warming, to suggest it's all pseudo science and zealotry is ridiculous: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here
Nicholas Barker MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2007.07.08 09:08:00 - [54] Edited by: Nicholas Barker on 08/07/2007 09:08:14 i think most of the celebrities would milk this well after it's been "fixed". They just need something to *** about to keep themselves on the air. also bob geldof is a **. ---
Waster Kaster	Posted - 2007.07.08 09:44:00 - [55] six computers, 5 tellys, 5 stereo kits, washingmachine, dishwasher, lit garden, 2 cars etc etc. usually I need to keep a few windows open in the winter as to not overheat and in the summer both back and front and windows open day round We need our nuclear power plants damn it.
Dragonrazor Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.08 09:58:00 - [56] TBH I think most people genuinely don't give a hoot about anything but themselves. Here is a pair of questions for all you out there: We all hear about what would happen if some animal or another is removed from an ecosystem, for example, remove say... mosquitos, and animals that prey on them die due to starvation. It's a concept taught to children in elementary schools since I was a pup... But what would happen if mankind went extinct? That is to say, not through some nuclear holocaust or anything so dramatic, just what would happen if suddenly tomorrow, every man woman child... everyone, got sick and died in 24 hours from some bizarre germ? What effects, both long and short term would this have on this planet and it's ecosystems? Would the short term effects be positive? or negative? For whom would these effects apply? Would the long term effects be positive? or Negative? again, for who? and why? What life forms rely on our existence for their own? Most people would surmise when summing up the honest answer to this question, that mankind has few positive effects on this planet or it's ecosystem... Our existence benefits only "domesticated" life forms, or those vermin that thrive on our waste, but would still thrive without us. TBH, I don't think it's simply something people can turn off... That is, global warming, pollution etc. It's an issue that is as global as it's name... The simple fact that so many people are so willing to ignore even the possibility is a telling flaw in human nature... I don't think we should all be crapping our pants, but to ignore the concept as just plain silly is just asking for trouble. I liken it to when a stubborn person is afflicted with a disease... "Oh no... I'm not sick... That's just a rash - that uh... won't go away." In the end, our civilization is doomed as it currently stands. It is based on archaic and heavily flawed systems of both government and principle... We are at the mercy of corruption and tyranny, and like so many similar civilizations before us, we applaud it en mass... We are proud of our stupidity, because we think it makes us sound cool or smart, or somehow free... And this is just another means of control. Personally, I don't think the end of the world or our race will happen by our own foolishness in our lifetimes, but our civilization might. I don't think global warming will kill us all... Heck, I'm not convinced we understand it or the climate of the earth well enough to predict it as a proved concept... but to think even for a nanosecond that the activities of the industrialized and industrializing nations of the earth are NOT impacting the world and the climate negatively, is IMHO one of the best examples of human ignorance and stupidity I have ever seen. Apply Occam's razor to the issue, and the outcome seems pretty easy to interpret... What makes more factual sense? That mankind's negative actions as a whole on the environment are damaging it in a way that may effect us negatively? Or That there is some unknown capacity of the earth to take whatever abuse we throw at it and keep on ticking in a way that will support our existence safely into the infinite future? The first requires only a few minor assumptions about things we are only partially certain of... While the latter requires a great deal of major assumptions... I guess the question Really is, do we Err on the side of educated caution, or on the side of ignorant bravado? Well we all know that cautious nerdy folk arn't cool... and everyone loves a clown, so there we have it... Most folks will play the fool and look real cool doing it, while a handful of us cautiously push our taped spectacles up our nose and shake our heads in futility... ******************************************* "Stars Die... Empires fall... We are dust..." *******************************************
Solothores Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.08 10:05:00 - [57] Quote: we have records dating back millions of years, ice cores for example. the last 100 years stand out like dogs balls in the said time period, nothing like it has ever occurred in such a short period of time. you need a basic course in global warming, to suggest it's all pseudo science and zealotry is ridiculous: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here The only pseudo-science is happening then, when ppl actually have the idea to keep a process from happening, that is neither understood nor can be agreed on in the scientific community (as pointing to the opposing scientific camps that conclude on different thesis) and is taking place on a global scale and thus roots to a level of complexity that is driven by too many variables, while coming-up with scenarios that are "promising" solutions. Scientific research is going on. And surely we are doing progress every year. But let's keep it in perspective, we are still far away from being able to call out, we do understand now and why. Pseudo-Science is happening there, where ppl ask for political inspired actions, that are just believed upon to change anything at all and create a climate of fear, while lacking the complete perspective and insight, as it has happened w. many other topics in the past. This actually can resolve into a social clima that stands in the way for solutions that actually would enable ppl to survive. There are 4500 Million Years that provide the total overview, 800'000 years are not enough to come up with a never-occured. The only evidence we have, is that the current Carbone level has risen at the fastest rate ever and is now at a 800'000 year high depending on the ice core results. To summ it up: On longer timescales, various proxy measurements have been used to attempt to determine atmospheric carbon dioxide levels millions of years in the past. These include boron and carbon isotope ratios in certain types of marine sediments, and the number of stomata observed on fossil plant leaves. While these measurements give much less precise estimates of carbon dioxide concentration than ice cores, there is evidence for very high CO2 concentrations between 200 and 150 Myr BP (over 3000 ppmv) and between 600 and 400 Myr BP (over 6000 ppmv] . So you see, probably we have much more to endure, that what we endure now. Don't understand me wrong, instead of wasting ressources to avoid the unavoidable, i.e. the process of global warming, with such seriousness as pop events, mankind should spend it's ressources on developing ways to coexist - my personal oppinion. Cheers S.

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