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Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.10 10:19:00 - [1] Originally by: Ugluuk Originally by: Pepperami What happened to the beaver thing? Beaver thing was a partnership between 3 corp`s with the same goals and an alliance to communicate easier in [but it fell apart].. Hydra was our goal and they fought good for a while.'' But after [we gave up] they lost good corp`s like The Shadow Order, Atlas ++ we started seeing more Morsus Mihi and Pure gangs patrol and lock down Vale..[since the Vale = P3] So then we went each others ways with 3 different goals..But who knows, we might end up together again sometime.. But lets not discuss that here..This is a post to inform about a coming war and intel has already flewn into my inbox from old wartargets of them..sweet I really don't understand you Ugluuk. You seem to mix it up between 'gf' and smack in a way that is beyond my ability to decipher. You took personal credit for Tri wiping out a cap fleet and then whine that HYDRA has allies. Sorry? I won't pretend to know the real reason you guys broke up - but it was not due to MM and PURE. You made a nice move in placing a POS 2 jumps form our station in C-F. 3 or 4 days later we knocked it into reinforced with the help of allies (sorry again 'bout that.) We came back to knock it out and it had been abandoned. My guess is you ran low on isk.
Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.10 10:35:00 - [2] Edited by: Freaky Bare on 10/07/2007 10:40:22 Originally by: Ugluuk Edited by: Ugluuk on 08/07/2007 22:59:39 Originally by: MKeeper So you guys made sure there aren't any Hydra aren't living in Vale yet? Since you were a good boy and digged out that post i`ll answer.. The Hydra/Makhai campaign was very cool and very frustrating.. In the end we weren`t able to get any of the small losses we were after.. They became too aware of us and their tactics were to become invisible..It worked.. Cloaks on most ships..Npc`ers either logged off instantly or warped to safe and cloaked.. If they jumped into a gate camp or got chased while travelling they hit cloak and logged off.. It`s valid tactics and not considered exploits by CCP but we got tired of chasing ghosts.. After they lost The Shadow Order,Atlas and the Dark Horses we saw a difference in their pvp gangs which more often mixed up with other northern gangs.. Example: Beavers had 222 losses vs Hydra/Makhai and 170 of those losses had pilots from those 3 corp`s in it.. When Morsus Mihi locked the entrances..Pure,Razor,Roadkill and Smash came to kill our pos we knew that we were fighting a lost cause.. We underestimated the other northern alliances wish to keep Hydra in Vale and them together ment the end of the campaign.. Nothing bad to say about Hydra and wish them good luck up there.. If they had more Minigin`s we would might been there still tho..Gung Ho fighter ftw End stats for the campaign was: 1139 kills - 49.2bill (not including 9 capital kills) 220 losses - 11.5bill (not including 1 capital loss) Kills are taken from Beaver killboard..Losses from Hydra/Makhai killboard..That way it is most accurate.. Now remove the kills that had Tri in them. You can keep the other alliances that helped you - just remove Tri. Did YOU have 1 cap kill? Tri wiped our a cap fleet with their very impressive cap fleet. You enjoyed their help - except that getting allied help is bad now. Hmmmmmm. You left Vale BEFORE those corps left. (Atlas may have left the day before your abandoned POS went down, but I don't believe so.) Our NPCing ships learned to cloak and avoid some of the ganks. Not once did a PVP gang/fleet cloak OR logoff. Individuals? I am certain they did - that is the game these days. We do not fit our gangs/fleets with cloaks. Maybe a good idea - we just have never done it. NEVER have I been given an order to logoff by ANY FC. I enjoyed the fights I was in against the Beavers. I don't enjoy the smack you like to casually throw out in CAOD. Unlike your posts, there is not a single twisted fact or statistic in this post. Minigin IS an animal. You got 1 thing right. edit: Missed the fact HYDRA had nothing to do with nailing your POS. While we had some help from a few members of those alliances it hardly mattered. You had 2 or 3 guys sitting behind the shield. If we had 10 or so less guys would those 3 have won the day??
Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.10 13:07:00 - [3] Originally by: Lance Hawke hydra get the ** out of our thread you goddamn**gots. You guys are to much. Smack is fine unless it is factual? Allies are fine, but only if they are yours? Cloaks are fine if they are on your ships? Get over yourself and put some more work into your snappy comebacks.
Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.10 14:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Crazy Tasty Originally by: Judas Lonestar Originally by: Lance Hawke hydra get the ** out of our thread you goddamn**gots. Reading problems? We were drug into it. If your gonna call us out, expect us to shot up. By your own alliance members. All the talk aside, I'll let the numbers speak for themselves, for our current war to. Take care of your own house. Ugluuk was asked what happened to Beavers. He answered and threw some digs in. HYDRA did not set out to hijack this thread. The numbers can speak for themselves, you are right. Now go teach that to Ugluuk. Reading comprehension FTW!
Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.10 16:35:00 - [5] Edited by: Freaky Bare on 10/07/2007 16:37:14 Much better! we definitely fought you with more T1 than T2 ships. We are not as Uber as the Beaver. We did, in fact, try hard to lose. Having successfully evicted us from Vale you moved on. Congratulations! I will now leave you to your thread. (At least until Ugluuk opens his mouth again!)
Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.10 21:18:00 - [6] Have a good fight guys!
Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:23:00 - [7] How did I know Ugluuk would open his mouth again? Ugluuk, you are an idiot. You talk and smack and talk some more. Your alliance, since disbanded, came out with a very straightforward plan. You would wipe HYDRA from Vale. It was not to be about k:d ratio - it was to be a fight to kick the cowardly Noobs from 0.0 forever! Which group lives in 0.0? Which one holds sov ... anywhere? 'You' won 1 clear major victory against HYDRA. By 'you' I mean that 'you' assisted Tri. The rest of the fleet fights were about even - HYDRA may have come out ahead. Now I think that is impressive since we suck so bad and fly T1 fitted ships and only know how to dock, log, and cloak. But it does not matter either way. At the end of the day we held sov. HYDRA 1 BB 0. Yours was an alliance that was good at ganking idiots. Ours was an alliance with plenty of idiots to be ganked. (including me a time or 2) You also did well in fleet battles when YOU picked the time and location. When someone inconvenienced your access -like you did ours- you folded like a cheap accordian. No fight. MM/PURE 1 BB 0 To put it yet another way, we don't care about K:D ratios - we care about achieving our objectives. You failed at your objectives and are clinging to all you have left. This post contains poor English throughout but in my defense I was educated in the USA
Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:42:00 - [8] Edited by: Freaky Bare on 11/07/2007 16:49:11 Originally by: Pigvar Molestor Originally by: Xanorok Edited by: Xanorok on 11/07/2007 15:50:35 And what were the stated objectives of your campaign again? Ah, yes. No Hydra presence left in Vale. Can we all say: Failed! Chewing on K/D efficiency stats won't change that. Read his post again: 1.Did he say when we were gonna get kicked out? No He said it was gonna happen slowly and they wouldn`t do it with force or fight off our big gangs.. 2.Didn`t he say that we would connect the next few months? We did, and as stated they came and killed our carebears and almost exactly a few months later they left the area.. 3.Has he said that Hydra can live in peace again? No.He said that the campaign is over and tbh it was a huge success from my point of view cause he did state that our carebears would pay.. Beavers did what they said..Stayed a few months, killed our carebears.. As far as i can see the time hasn`t run out..He didn`t give it any time limit so dont claim victory too fast.. Victory dont belong to Hydra anyway, it was Morsus Mihi and Pure that chased them out of Vale.. Im sure they come back when CCP nerf cloaks from ships not designed to use them.. This post actually works to make clear the direction your first post is coming from. What BYDI actually said when they declared war: Beyond Divinity Inc has joined the Blind Beavers.. Hydra might know us already but dont worry, we will connect closer over the next months.. We wont come into your space and throw you out with force.. We wont be able to fight off your biggest gangs.. But over time there wont be a Hydra Alliance living in Vale anymore.. The small losses becomes big over time, the moral will sink to the bottom and while we grow Hydra will get weaker.. Enjoy the future Hydra, we are here to make it interesting.. So they REALLY meant they would be back in 2008???
Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Pigvar Molestor Got some issues to sort out with my old alliance Hydra.. I am an honorable pilot and not afraid to speak up when i see something written that aint true.. Most people dont dare to talk against their alliance or ex alliance but imo Hydra aint worth keeping for me so i`ll babble.. Beavers were no threat to us they say: 1.Because of Beavers we got ordered by the Northern Coalition to patrol Vale as they became annoying outside vale too.. 2.80% of Hydra fitted cloaks on all ships because they were afraid to meet the roaming beavers in space.. 3.The intel channel was full of "warning, Beaver in space" messages all day.. 4.We lost 3 fleet battles in a row when they moved their pos into V-N.. And because they were "NOT" a threat as you call them we called for backup from Razor,Pure,Smah,Roadkill,morsus Mihi and Makhai and formed up the biggest gang i`ve ever been with.. They were not a threat to our existence i agree on that, but in our daily life up there Beavers was a huge threat too the peace and isk making and our equal gangs with only 20 more had no chance in most battles.. Another thing that annoys me is that they always talked about the Beavers as crap and especially the op got hammered in alliance chat as a crappy pvp pilot.. That`s why i wanna post some examples on fights they had with the op which was talke dabout for hours.. Ugluuk in C-f in a Merlin.. A Thorax.Hawk and 3 crow went after him.. Result: 1 Crow lost another Crow remote repped with structure dmg.. Afterwards they cheered in chat..Omfg we owned him..We pwned that biatch.. Their excuse to almost loosing 2 crow`s was: He had a good setup on that Merlin.. Then there was a fight also with Ugluuk involved: Raven attacked his Tempest as bait..Then a nos domi and nos Ishtar came.. Raven goes pop..More backup arrives as the Ishtar is going down.. Celestis arrives but too late, we lost the Ishtar too..He tanks and gets out.. They talk about him in alliance chat..Omfg what a looser..Run run let us see that tail.. The excuse was that the faction tanked Ishtar had 2 salvagers fitted for wrecks and hence they lost the fight.. Both times i asked them wtf they were celebrating for..They had lost ships in fights they should dominated.. Then the harrasement started: I got called spy,beaver alt,****** and noob.. No one defended me in corp chat.. But at the end of the day i had 17 mails from Hydra pilots who took distance from it all but just didn`t dare to speak up in ally chat.. The statstics speaks for themselfes..Hydra got owned hard by the Beavers and were afraid everytime they came up north.. What corp were you from? I certainly won't claim no one in our alliance talked crap in chat. Not familiar with any of the events you posted, however. A great deal of things said in a derogatory way wee said specifically for the benefit of the spies. If the Beaver was goingto listen in why not give them something to listen to? Personally, I would not expect the spy we were dealing with to be so verbal - not sure why that made you a likely candidate to be honest. The Beavers were a very serious opponent in numerous ways. No one has seriously claimed they were not. You state yourself the same thing we have been saying - we won, we did not lose, this war. thank you for agreeing. The accusation that we fly with 80% cloaked ships is ... silly? Take a look at the BYDI vaunted killboard and check - what percentage of the ships they killed had a cloak on? We have yet to face an opponent who was not cloaked in small gangs. Criticizing US for using cloaks is, again, silly. I wish you well in the future, sorry to see you are so bitter. I skipped parts of your post, and to be honest probably should have just ignored the entire thing
Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:09:00 - [10] Originally by: Ugluuk Freaky Bare,Minigin and Splagada.. It`s obvious that you guys cant stand me but still you just cant get enough Ugluuk.. Reading every post i make.. Answering and arguing with me in my topics.. Making comments on almost all deathmails i have on Hydra killboard.. Just have to talk to me when i enter local.. Anything saying Ugluuk catches your attention so: Call 900 - Ugluuk is my GOD, and we can negotiate prices on autographs and fan equipp.. Your only contact with me in-game consisted of me saying 'GF.' I don't smack. (although this thread may make that sound false) I have only argued with you in topics that included smack or accusations that I felt needed to be refuted. Stop the jabs and insults and the only thing you will see from me in your threads is 'Have a good fight guys!' You know - like at the top of this page?
Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.11 23:43:00 - [11] Originally by: Crazy Tasty Man, some of you Hydra guys just can't stop. If you'd tried that hard in game maybe you'd have got more kills. Nice thread de-rail though. I would like to thank Ugluuk for the inspiration, Krimzin for my new title, and the HYDRA Alliance for transporting my stuff from our former home in Vale. I could not have done this without you all. Psst ... Start a new thread, DON'T insult us, and I promise to leave it alone.
Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Rastilin Well i dont know what all this whining is about we came down there to smack Hydra around a bit and have some fun and by the stats we did just that BYDI goals are to have fun by killing without mercy or prejudice toward any type of ship that gets in front of our guns We did just that. Things became boring and dull not many targets around in empire we had to go deep to Hydra space and wait till they got a 10 to 1 blob squad before they would come out to play which being in BYDI we are used to being outnumbered and still pwning But we decided to do other things and like i said our goal wasnt to get rid of Hydra in Vale but to go down and smack them around a bit and thats the bottom line cause Rast said so Do you guys actually read each others posts?
Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Vulor Originally by: Minigin us losing 3 fleet battles in a row to bydi is a lie. simply because bydi does not have the numbers to field a fleet... In contrary to You, BYDI doesn't need 100+ fleet to pwn. And just to mention one battle where you got pwnd. Thursday 7th Jun 2007 in C-F. Hydra and Makhai fielded 48 ships, including 1 carrier, lost 26 Beavers fielded 16 ships, no capitals, lost only 6 Minigin says 'us losing 3 fleet battles in a row to bydi is a lie' and you rebut with 'just to mention one battle where you got pwnd.' The most difficult thing to argue against is brilliant thinking and logic. Wait. The TWO most difficult things to argue against are brilliant thinking, logic, and a quick mind. Wait. The THREE ... awe never mind.
Freaky Bare Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Vulor Edited by: Vulor on 12/07/2007 13:50:43 Originally by: Freaky Bare Minigin says 'us losing 3 fleet battles in a row to bydi is a lie' and you rebut with 'just to mention one battle where you got pwnd.' Could you please point out where I said You did lose 3 fleet battles in a row? Oh wait it was some Hydra guy that said it... guess it must be true then, after all Hydra is always right. What I was referring to is Minigin's suggestion that you need to field a big fleet in order to win a battle against Hydra. The mentioned engagement proves him being wrong. So maybe Hydra is not always right Might I suggest you be a bit clearer in your replies then? I compared what you said without twisting it at all. I believe Minigins point was that you could not win 3 large fleet battles in a row because you could not FIELD 3 large fleets. He did not say you needed a big fleet to fight. Regarding that engagement it was an impressive win. I am sure someone can pull up an equally impressive win for our side - but that was not and is not the point of any of this. The fights were cool. To sum this pathetic string of posts up; BYDI tried to take some pokes at HYDRA. We objected. BYDI then said 'who me? We never said that!' and since then have shown poor reading comprehension and/or an ignorance of each others posts. Is it REALLY so hard to say 'yeah, we claimed we would kick you from Vale. It was only a marketing thing. We moved on.' Without all the moronic claims and objections? I am sure some of the CAOD community is annoyed by this topic, and probably by me in general. I can live with that. Everything I have said is true. My real offense is that I am arguing with people who are better at smack than they are at arguing actual points. If you REALLY want this to go away it can. Stop trying to get the last word in - or make the last word valid and on topic. If you do that I WILL leave you alone. Until then, or until the lock request goes through, I will keep lowering myself and responding.

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