Originally by: Oregon sinful

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don't know either of you but gl to u both...

first

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Originally by: Pepperami

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What happened to the beaver thing?

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Originally by: Pepperami

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What happened to the beaver thing?

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Originally by: MKeeper

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So you guys made sure there aren't any Hydra aren't living in Vale yet?

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Originally by: MKeeper

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So you guys made sure there aren't any Hydra aren't living in Vale yet?

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Originally by: Templer Relleg

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Originally by: Oregon sinful

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don't know either of you but gl to u both...

first

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You havent heard of BYDI? Do tell me you have.
I remember, when i was in corp 1, we had several battles against them.
And surely if you read CAOD, you will know them. They are quite old and wellknown too!

I never heard of that merc corp tho. But good luck BYDI. You are gonna need it

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Originally by: Minigin

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Originally by: MKeeper

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So you guys made sure there aren't any Hydra aren't living in Vale yet?

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shhhhh we are dead...

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Originally by: Ugluuk

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Edited by: Ugluuk on 08/07/2007 22:59:39
Since you were a good boy and digged out that post i`ll answer..

The Hydra/Makhai campaign was very cool and very frustrating..
In the end we weren`t able to get any of the small losses we were after..
They became too aware of us and their tactics were to become invisible..It worked..

Cloaks on most ships..Npc`ers either logged off instantly or warped to safe and cloaked..

If they jumped into a gate camp or got chased while travelling they hit cloak and logged off..

It`s valid tactics and not considered exploits by CCP but we got tired of chasing ghosts..

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Quote:

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After they lost The Shadow Order,Atlas and the Dark Horses we saw a difference in their pvp gangs which more often mixed up with other northern gangs..

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Quote:

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Bla bla bla

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Originally by: Minigin

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Originally by: MKeeper

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So you guys made sure there aren't any Hydra aren't living in Vale yet?

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shhhhh we are dead...

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Originally by: SupaFlyTNT

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Good luck to both sides. Much respect to the current BYDI crew!!!

btw Thunderstruck: WTB 1 Ugluuk corpse. My last one is starting to go a bit soggy

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Originally by: Goatann

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of course Sir Lex forgot to post his Ibis & Pod I got on him towards the end

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Originally by: Splagada

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Edited by: Splagada on 09/07/2007 15:07:54
Hydra official statement about the whole beavers thing :

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Originally by: Joe Shooter

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To quote a phrase - You've won this battle, But the war isn't over yet.

An odd start I must admit myself, it all seemed to start moderately well, we set up camp - We waited for a while as they gathered forces on the other side eventually they jumped through and we began to engage - Primaries were called and fire was focused but damage was not being done - wtf. Desperate calls could be heard on teamspeak from our tackles 'I'm going down', 'I need to get out' - Warps initiated and... Nothing happens, what is this****gotry? Bug? Lag?! Surely not lag - At a time like this in a small engagement? Oh no, this is a client desync and the horrible reality set in, pod pilots scrambling frantically for their ctrl+q keys so that they could finally warp to that safe spot and be safe. A worried hush on teamspeak as people begin to relog, sitting in silent anticipation as they wait for entering space to be complete and to see a spaceship in front on them as appose to a pod - but alas, there was an unlucky few.

This is merely the beginning - BYDI (+ ccp ;]) 1 - 0 TDSK.

See you in space

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Originally by: Ugluuk

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s the same for us..I shot the Celestis and thought, that celestis was hard..
Started asking the guys for help..
Dude`s, i cant outdamage this Celestis with my sleipnir..

Relogged fast and saw our 2 first primary targets wrecks..Was nice..



Gonna enjoy this war i hope..

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Originally by: Pride NL

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Originally by: Minigin

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Originally by: MKeeper

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So you guys made sure there aren't any Hydra aren't living in Vale yet?

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shhhhh we are dead...

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Dont want to smack, but you are not dead, you let your friends do your job.

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Originally by: Minigin

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Originally by: Pride NL

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Originally by: Minigin

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Originally by: MKeeper

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So you guys made sure there aren't any Hydra aren't living in Vale yet?

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shhhhh we are dead...

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Dont want to smack, but you are not dead, you let your friends do your job.

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oh this is halerious coming from the guys who had tri jump in 25 caps on a hydra op. and who got phalanx, pres lib. tri, storm armada and a few other no name corps to help them try and "kill hydra" btw... how did that work out for you?

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Originally by: Minigin

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IT WAS I! I AM A ******!

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Originally by: Araviel

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hehe, give them hell mate

they where messing whit some of my boys to, maybe we should come and join you

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Originally by: Ugluuk

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Originally by: Pepperami

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What happened to the beaver thing?

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Beaver thing was a partnership between 3 corp`s with the same goals and an alliance to communicate easier in [but it fell apart]..
Hydra was our goal and they fought good for a while.''
But after [we gave up] they lost good corp`s like The Shadow Order, Atlas ++ we started seeing more Morsus Mihi and Pure gangs patrol and lock down Vale..[since the Vale = P3]

So then we went each others ways with 3 different goals..But who knows, we might end up together again sometime..

But lets not discuss that here..This is a post to inform about a coming war and intel has already flewn into my inbox from old wartargets of them..sweet

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Originally by: Ugluuk

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Edited by: Ugluuk on 08/07/2007 22:59:39

Originally by: MKeeper

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So you guys made sure there aren't any Hydra aren't living in Vale yet?

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Since you were a good boy and digged out that post i`ll answer..

The Hydra/Makhai campaign was very cool and very frustrating..
In the end we weren`t able to get any of the small losses we were after..
They became too aware of us and their tactics were to become invisible..It worked..

Cloaks on most ships..Npc`ers either logged off instantly or warped to safe and cloaked..
If they jumped into a gate camp or got chased while travelling they hit cloak and logged off..

It`s valid tactics and not considered exploits by CCP but we got tired of chasing ghosts..
After they lost The Shadow Order,Atlas and the Dark Horses we saw a difference in their pvp gangs which more often mixed up with other northern gangs..

Example: Beavers had 222 losses vs Hydra/Makhai and 170 of those losses had pilots from those 3 corp`s in it..

When Morsus Mihi locked the entrances..Pure,Razor,Roadkill and Smash came to kill our pos we knew that we were fighting a lost cause..

We underestimated the other northern alliances wish to keep Hydra in Vale and them together ment the end of the campaign..

Nothing bad to say about Hydra and wish them good luck up there..
If they had more Minigin`s we would might been there still tho..Gung Ho fighter ftw


End stats for the campaign was:

1139 kills - 49.2bill (not including 9 capital kills)
220 losses - 11.5bill (not including 1 capital loss)

Kills are taken from Beaver killboard..Losses from Hydra/Makhai killboard..That way it is most accurate..

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Originally by: Lance Hawke

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hydra get the **** out of our thread you goddamn****gots.

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Originally by: Lance Hawke

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hydra get the **** out of our thread you goddamn****gots.

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Originally by: Judas Lonestar

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Originally by: Lance Hawke

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hydra get the **** out of our thread you goddamn****gots.

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Reading problems?
We were drug into it. If your gonna call us out, expect us to shot up.

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Originally by: Crazy Tasty

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Originally by: Judas Lonestar

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Originally by: Lance Hawke

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hydra get the **** out of our thread you goddamn****gots.

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Reading problems?
We were drug into it. If your gonna call us out, expect us to shot up.

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By your own alliance members. All the talk aside, I'll let the numbers speak for themselves, for our current war to.

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Originally by: SasRipper

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bet bydi all..
wonder if they will make a dodgy c&p post when your finshed with them

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Originally by: Ugluuk

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Edited by: Ugluuk on 08/07/2007 22:59:39

Originally by: MKeeper

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So you guys made sure there aren't any Hydra aren't living in Vale yet?

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Since you were a good boy and digged out that post i`ll answer..

The Hydra/Makhai campaign was very cool and very frustrating..
In the end we weren`t able to get any of the small losses we were after..
They became too aware of us and their tactics were to become invisible..It worked..

Cloaks on most ships..Npc`ers either logged off instantly or warped to safe and cloaked..
If they jumped into a gate camp or got chased while travelling they hit cloak and logged off..

It`s valid tactics and not considered exploits by CCP but we got tired of chasing ghosts..
After they lost The Shadow Order,Atlas and the Dark Horses we saw a difference in their pvp gangs which more often mixed up with other northern gangs..

Example: Beavers had 222 losses vs Hydra/Makhai and 170 of those losses had pilots from those 3 corp`s in it..

When Morsus Mihi locked the entrances..Pure,Razor,Roadkill and Smash came to kill our pos we knew that we were fighting a lost cause..

We underestimated the other northern alliances wish to keep Hydra in Vale and them together ment the end of the campaign..

Nothing bad to say about Hydra and wish them good luck up there..
If they had more Minigin`s we would might been there still tho..Gung Ho fighter ftw


End stats for the campaign was:

1139 kills - 49.2bill (not including 9 capital kills)
220 losses - 11.5bill (not including 1 capital loss)

Kills are taken from Beaver killboard..Losses from Hydra/Makhai killboard..That way it is most accurate..

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Originally by: Ugluuk

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Edited by: Ugluuk on 08/07/2007 22:59:39

After they lost The Shadow Order,Atlas and the Dark Horses we saw a difference in their pvp gangs which more often mixed up with other northern gangs..

Example: Beavers had 222 losses vs Hydra/Makhai and 170 of those losses had pilots from those 3 corp`s in it..

We underestimated the other northern alliances wish to keep Hydra in Vale and them together ment the end of the campaign..

Nothing bad to say about Hydra and wish them good luck up there..
If they had more Minigin`s we would might been there still tho..Gung Ho fighter ftw


End stats for the campaign was:

1139 kills - 49.2bill (not including 9 capital kills)
220 losses - 11.5bill (not including 1 capital loss)

Kills are taken from Beaver killboard..Losses from Hydra/Makhai killboard..That way it is most accurate..

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Originally by: Calgorac

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care to add the losses from p3e to your stats ?
http://www.hp-games.com/killboard/?a=home

anyway
was good fights, have fun in your future wars

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Originally by: Ugluuk

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To the Hydra guys..


You all say stats dont matter..

Maybe because:

Blind Beavers: 878 kills
Hydra : 185 kills

Hydra Efficiency: 18%

Can we all say: Pwned!

I also like this months stats on how you defend your HQ: A stunning 4.65% efficiency which must add to your guys fear for talking about stats..

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Originally by: Xanorok

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Edited by: Xanorok on 11/07/2007 15:50:35
And what were the stated objectives of your campaign again?

Ah, yes. No Hydra presence left in Vale.

Can we all say: Failed!

Chewing on K/D efficiency stats won't change that.

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Originally by: Pigvar Molestor

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Originally by: Xanorok

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Edited by: Xanorok on 11/07/2007 15:50:35
And what were the stated objectives of your campaign again?

Ah, yes. No Hydra presence left in Vale.

Can we all say: Failed!

Chewing on K/D efficiency stats won't change that.

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Read his post again:

1.Did he say when we were gonna get kicked out? No

He said it was gonna happen slowly and they wouldn`t do it with force or fight off our big gangs..

2.Didn`t he say that we would connect the next few months?

We did, and as stated they came and killed our carebears and almost exactly a few months later they left the area..

3.Has he said that Hydra can live in peace again?

No.He said that the campaign is over and tbh it was a huge success from my point of view cause he did state that our carebears would pay..

Beavers did what they said..Stayed a few months, killed our carebears..
As far as i can see the time hasn`t run out..He didn`t give it any time limit so dont claim victory too fast..
Victory dont belong to Hydra anyway, it was Morsus Mihi and Pure that chased them out of Vale..

Im sure they come back when CCP nerf cloaks from ships not designed to use them..

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Originally by: Pigvar Molestor

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Got some issues to sort out with my old alliance Hydra..

I am an honorable pilot and not afraid to speak up when i see something written that aint true..
Most people dont dare to talk against their alliance or ex alliance but imo Hydra aint worth keeping for me so i`ll babble..


Beavers were no threat to us they say:

1.Because of Beavers we got ordered by the Northern Coalition to patrol Vale as they became annoying outside vale too..

2.80% of Hydra fitted cloaks on all ships because they were afraid to meet the roaming beavers in space..

3.The intel channel was full of "warning, Beaver in space" messages all day..

4.We lost 3 fleet battles in a row when they moved their pos into V-N..

And because they were "NOT" a threat as you call them we called for backup from Razor,Pure,Smah,Roadkill,morsus Mihi and Makhai and formed up the biggest gang i`ve ever been with..

They were not a threat to our existence i agree on that, but in our daily life up there Beavers was a huge threat too the peace and isk making and our equal gangs with only 20 more had no chance in most battles..

Another thing that annoys me is that they always talked about the Beavers as crap and especially the op got hammered in alliance chat as a crappy pvp pilot..

That`s why i wanna post some examples on fights they had with the op which was talke dabout for hours..

Ugluuk in C-f in a Merlin..

A Thorax.Hawk and 3 crow went after him..

Result: 1 Crow lost another Crow remote repped with structure dmg..

Afterwards they cheered in chat..Omfg we owned him..We pwned that biatch..
Their excuse to almost loosing 2 crow`s was: He had a good setup on that Merlin..

Then there was a fight also with Ugluuk involved:

Raven attacked his Tempest as bait..Then a nos domi and nos Ishtar came..
Raven goes pop..More backup arrives as the Ishtar is going down..
Celestis arrives but too late, we lost the Ishtar too..He tanks and gets out..

They talk about him in alliance chat..Omfg what a looser..Run run let us see that tail..
The excuse was that the faction tanked Ishtar had 2 salvagers fitted for wrecks and hence they lost the fight..

Both times i asked them wtf they were celebrating for..They had lost ships in fights they should dominated..
Then the harrasement started:

I got called spy,beaver alt,****** and noob..
No one defended me in corp chat..
But at the end of the day i had 17 mails from Hydra pilots who took distance from it all but just didn`t dare to speak up in ally chat..

The statstics speaks for themselfes..Hydra got owned hard by the Beavers and were afraid everytime they came up north..

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Originally by: Ugluuk

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Freaky Bare,Minigin and Splagada..

It`s obvious that you guys cant stand me but still you just cant get enough Ugluuk..

Reading every post i make..
Answering and arguing with me in my topics..
Making comments on almost all deathmails i have on Hydra killboard..
Just have to talk to me when i enter local..

Anything saying Ugluuk catches your attention so:

Call 900 - Ugluuk is my GOD, and we can negotiate prices on autographs and fan equipp..

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Originally by: Ugluuk

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Freaky Bare,Minigin and Splagada..

It`s obvious that you guys cant stand me but still you just cant get enough Ugluuk..

Reading every post i make..
Answering and arguing with me in my topics..
Making comments on almost all deathmails i have on Hydra killboard..
Just have to talk to me when i enter local..

Anything saying Ugluuk catches your attention so:

Call 900 - Ugluuk is my GOD, and we can negotiate prices on autographs and fan equipp..

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Originally by: Crazy Tasty

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Man, some of you Hydra guys just can't stop. If you'd tried that hard in game maybe you'd have got more kills.

Nice thread de-rail though.

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Originally by: Rastilin

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Well i dont know what all this whining is about we came down there to smack Hydra around a bit and have some fun and by the stats we did just that BYDI goals are to have fun by killing without mercy or prejudice toward any type of ship that gets in front of our guns We did just that. Things became boring and dull not many targets around in empire we had to go deep to Hydra space and wait till they got a 10 to 1 blob squad before they would come out to play which being in BYDI we are used to being outnumbered and still pwning But we decided to do other things and like i said our goal wasnt to get rid of Hydra in Vale but to go down and smack them around a bit and thats the bottom line cause Rast said so

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Originally by: Minigin

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us losing 3 fleet battles in a row to bydi is a lie. simply because bydi does not have the numbers to field a fleet...

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Originally by: Rastilin

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Well i dont know what all this whining is about we came down there to smack Hydra around a bit and have some fun and by the stats we did just that BYDI goals are to have fun by killing without mercy or prejudice toward any type of ship that gets in front of our guns We did just that. Things became boring and dull not many targets around in empire we had to go deep to Hydra space and wait till they got a 10 to 1 blob squad before they would come out to play which being in BYDI we are used to being outnumbered and still pwning But we decided to do other things and like i said our goal wasnt to get rid of Hydra in Vale but to go down and smack them around a bit and thats the bottom line cause Rast said so

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Originally by: Vulor

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Originally by: Minigin

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us losing 3 fleet battles in a row to bydi is a lie. simply because bydi does not have the numbers to field a fleet...

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In contrary to You, BYDI doesn't need 100+ fleet to pwn.

And just to mention one battle where you got pwnd.

Thursday 7th Jun 2007 in C-F.
Hydra and Makhai fielded 48 ships, including 1 carrier, lost 26
Beavers fielded 16 ships, no capitals, lost only 6

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Originally by: Freaky Bare

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Minigin says 'us losing 3 fleet battles in a row to bydi is a lie' and you rebut with 'just to mention one battle where you got pwnd.'

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Originally by: Vulor

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Originally by: Minigin

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us losing 3 fleet battles in a row to bydi is a lie. simply because bydi does not have the numbers to field a fleet...

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In contrary to You, BYDI doesn't need 100+ fleet to pwn.


And just to mention one battle where you got pwnd.

Thursday 7th Jun 2007 in C-F.
Hydra and Makhai fielded 48 ships, including 1 carrier, lost 26
Beavers fielded 16 ships, no capitals, lost only 6

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Originally by: Vulor

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Edited by: Vulor on 12/07/2007 13:50:43

Originally by: Freaky Bare

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Minigin says 'us losing 3 fleet battles in a row to bydi is a lie' and you rebut with 'just to mention one battle where you got pwnd.'

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Could you please point out where I said You did lose 3 fleet battles in a row?

Oh wait it was some Hydra guy that said it... guess it must be true then, after all Hydra is always right.

What I was referring to is Minigin's suggestion that you need to field a big fleet in order to win a battle against Hydra. The mentioned engagement proves him being wrong.

So maybe Hydra is not always right

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