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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.07.09 06:24:00 -
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I did 25 jumps in lowsec looking for a research slot, everything had 4 days waiting time or more. I could set up a pos but I dont have enough standings, though I'm slwoly grinding my way there.....but it will still take ages.
If, the requirements for empire posses were lower people could build their own research posses and what not.
 Originally by: myself
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.09 06:28:00 -
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They do. Search the forums for Quutar Empire Research - he rents out his services at very reasonable rates.
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mr bighelmet
EnTech
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Posted - 2007.07.09 06:50:00 -
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having a free slot in high sec is not a CCP given right, it's a privlage.
You want to have your own research slots, then work for it, either run missions to get standing or use one of the corp building services or just go low sec and put up a pos without hard work.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.07.09 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: mr bighelmet
having a free slot in high sec is not a CCP given right, it's a privlage.
You want to have your own research slots, then work for it, either run missions to get standing or use one of the corp building services or just go low sec and put up a pos without hard work.
1. I am working on it.(it will still take ages)
2. 0.4 still require +4 standings.
3. Pos in 0.0 = alliance cap fleet destroying pos.
To say that slots in high sec is not a 'given right' is like saying docking space is not a given right. Fact is, the playerbase has increased heavily without CCP introducing more labs.
Originally by: myself
The Amarr templar joke is a joke stupid people can laugh at. Its the joke any dumb person can laugh at.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.09 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
To say that slots in high sec is not a 'given right' is like saying docking space is not a given right.
Not entirely true - there are an unlimited number of ships that can dock anywhere at a given time. And research slots are not the same type of station service that fitting or medical facilities are.
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Fact is, the playerbase has increased heavily without CCP introducing more labs.
You do make a good point - whether this is by design to encourage more player interaction regarding science and industry or something they intend on fixing or moving over to a dynamic system is different however, and I would say that it might be a good idea to research the economic impact of adding more research/copying slots.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.07.09 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Not entirely true - there are an unlimited number of ships that can dock anywhere at a given time. And research slots are not the same type of station service that fitting or medical facilities are.
True dat.
Originally by: myself
The Amarr templar joke is a joke stupid people can laugh at. Its the joke any dumb person can laugh at.
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Meeli
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Posted - 2007.07.09 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Death Kill
To say that slots in high sec is not a 'given right' is like saying docking space is not a given right.
Not entirely true - there are an unlimited number of ships that can dock anywhere at a given time. And research slots are not the same type of station service that fitting or medical facilities are.
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Fact is, the playerbase has increased heavily without CCP introducing more labs.
You do make a good point - whether this is by design to encourage more player interaction regarding science and industry or something they intend on fixing or moving over to a dynamic system is different however, and I would say that it might be a good idea to research the economic impact of adding more research/copying slots.
ironic.
the player base has increased. that is true. but whats this about CCP not adding anymore labslots? i mean, whats the POS thing all about? much like the t2 lotto CCP wanted to move away from the 'first come first served' or 'he who is luckiest' type of deal and gives you unlimited lab slots. All you have to do is work a little for it.
So yea, player base increased and CCP responded by giving us the POS option. Sure it cost a bit but nothing in life is free
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.09 09:06:00 -
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Your problem is why people like me exist. We've already done all the grinding, have the standing to put a POS wherever you like, and all you need to do is come up with the ISK to make it worth our while to deploy a POS in highsec for you.
It takes a week or so for the corporate standings to balance out, then voila! You have a POS in empire space.
Send me an EVEmail, and we can discuss a contract.
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Del Narveux
Obsidian Angels Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.09 09:07:00 -
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If Im not mistaken, there are a limited number of moons. So lab poses are no more scalable with the population than station labslots, really, its just that theyre currently underutilized as its not at all economical for a lot of blueprint research (part time builders with a stash of BPOs for modules, ammo, etc).
Also I would assert that the current lab situation *is* a 'first come first serve' 'he who is lucky' etc situation, because all the older players who already did a lot of research when it was easier dont have to fool with the log ass queues and thus win out. Maybe theyll double the slots again with the next patch, they should do it periodically to keep somewhat in line with population.
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Goodlookin Gus
Gallente
Viking Research and Production
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.07.09 09:38:00 -
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dont increase puplic slots. rather give all the mobile labs +1 copy slot.
the players that doses high sec research service like me gotta make an living to :)
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Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.09 11:11:00 -
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I've seen several corps whose business model revolves around renting out lab slots.
Please don't say that this is a CCP issue. Granted there are limited moons, but there are just that many high sec systems. Sec status is your own problem, thats like whining that getting carrier skills takes too long. Its there, it works.
Worse comes to worse you join a corp which has the facilities.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.07.09 11:24:00 -
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Out of curiosity, how much would lab rent be on a hi sec pos? and hth do u make it work? they give u collateral in the amount of the bpo?
So if say i have a 30 mill isk bpo i want to research, i trade it to labguy, he gives me 30 mill, researches it to desired ME/PE and then trades it back to me for the agreed upon sum + collateral?
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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Wolfo Fasttalker
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Posted - 2007.07.09 11:31:00 -
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Allow Empire POS holders to rent out labs to public without this alliance business, sort out copying so the copies get put in the station not the lab. Result potentially a major increase in the number of lab slots available to the public.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2007.07.09 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux
If Im not mistaken, there are a limited number of moons. So lab poses are no more scalable with the population than station labslots
There are 1126 high security systems, each with several planets and each planet with up to 20 or so moons. It'll take a while for that limit to be reached...
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.09 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Del Narveux
If Im not mistaken, there are a limited number of moons. So lab poses are no more scalable with the population than station labslots
There are 1126 high security systems, each with several planets and each planet with up to 20 or so moons. It'll take a while for that limit to be reached...
Not completely correct: it is not possible to anchor pos in 1.0 or 0.9 systems.
Probably the cost and standing limits will still keep the number of POS well under the number of potential installations, but if you think that there are around 10.000 ME and copy slots in high sec (very rough estimate based on number of system and frequency of stations with research slots), and probably as much in low sec, and they are constantly filled, adding 5000 POS with 1 copy slot and 3 ME slots each will not completely cover the existing demand, even less the future requests, in particular with the heavy request for copies for invention.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.07.09 11:56:00 -
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Since the inside POS' are defenseless you should only need the actual tickets to throw one up, at your own peril.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2007.07.09 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Estel Arador on 09/07/2007 12:19:47
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Not completely correct: it is not possible to anchor pos in 1.0 or 0.9 systems.
Of course, my mistake. That still leaves 986 systems with a security rating of 0.5 to 0.8 though.
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Probably the cost and standing limits will still keep the number of POS well under the number of potential installations
It shouldn't be a problem. If demand increases, prices will rise and the cost - if it is too high now - will be more acceptable.
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adding 5000 POS with 1 copy slot and 3 ME slots each will not completely cover the existing demand, even less the future requests, in particular with the heavy request for copies for invention.
A POS can run more than 1 lab at the time. (I guess it depends on how much defence you'd want on it.) Also that number of POSses probably is a bit on the low side. The average number of moons per system is well above 5.
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Imuran
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Posted - 2007.07.09 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
adding 5000 POS with 1 copy slot and 3 ME slots each will not completely cover the existing demand, even less the future requests, in particular with the heavy request for copies for invention.
Small Gallente Tower can run 3 mobile slots - so even with those that trebles your estimate 
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ForceM
Gallente
POS Builder Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.09 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Not completely correct: it is not possible to anchor pos in 1.0 or 0.9 systems.
Of course, my mistake. That still leaves 986 systems with a security rating of 0.5 to 0.8 though.
Wrong again .. max sec rating is 0.7 .. so that leaves like 876 systems ... Houston we got a problem 
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principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.09 13:22:00 -
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build it in low security or 0.0, better yet save up 30 bila nd join iac and build a research station.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2007.07.09 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: ForceM
Wrong again .. max sec rating is 0.7 .. so that leaves like 876 systems ... Houston we got a problem
OMG I really should get to know more about high sec POSses. Still there's plenty of moons to anchor POSses at left. I might get one for myself
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Mysticaa
Gallente
Fringe Roamers of Goa
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Posted - 2007.07.09 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
If, the requirements for empire posses were lower people could build their own research posses and what not.
Ummm... No! If everyone else who has a POS in empire space can do it so can you. I just wish CCP would open up 0.8+ systems as well although having a 10.0 standing would take some time.
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Corporati Capitalis
Tollan Technologies
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Posted - 2007.07.09 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: mr bighelmet
having a free slot in high sec is not a CCP given right, it's a privlage.
You want to have your own research slots, then work for it, either run missions to get standing or use one of the corp building services or just go low sec and put up a pos without hard work.
1. I am working on it.(it will still take ages)
2. 0.4 still require +4 standings.
3. Pos in 0.0 = alliance cap fleet destroying pos.
Funny how you forgot to mention 0.1-0.3 ...
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Domitianvs
Amarr
Virginia Mining Institute
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Posted - 2007.07.09 17:14:00 -
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If you want a high sec tower then you gotta put in the work for one. It does not take too long if you do it the correct way. Plus like it has been stated, if you do not want to work for the faction then you can always pay someone who has put in the work and have them put it up for you.
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