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Styphon
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.09 16:51:00 -
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Hi all
Where are the good guys lol?
all i see here is pirates pirates pirates
no Anti pirates are they all gone? or maybe there where really never any serious anti pirates
except for Celestial Apoc
probably pirating is far more fun , i think thats the main reason y no one wants to go after pirates
still sad
share your thoughts
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Faekurias
Federation Fleet
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.07.09 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Faekurias on 09/07/2007 16:52:37
Pirates work as anti-pirates too ;D It's the; not blue you're goo policy. Pirates who arnt blue to eachother, kill eachother :D see it as competition, and real Anti-pirates are not neccessary
Edit: Lol I spelled "Pirates" wrong.
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.09 16:56:00 -
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Very few is the answer. Not talking about the random corps that put anti pi in their bios just because they don't pirate, there are only a handful of corps i can think of.
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Akurion
Gallente
Master Miners
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.09 16:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Styphon
Hi all
Where are the good guys lol?
all i see here is pirates pirates pirates
no Anti pirates are they all gone? or maybe there where really never any serious anti pirates
except for Celestial Apoc
probably pirating is far more fun , i think thats the main reason y no one wants to go after pirates
still sad
share your thoughts
It's kinda rough being an anti-pirate. Our lifestyle isn't supported very well by the game's mechanics (i.e. "Oh look, there's a -4.2, 100m bounty pirate cruising the belts. However I can't attack him without getting a sec hit.")
There are opportunities for targetted hits, but on the whole pirates kill far, far more of their victims than anti-pirates ever will.
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Igus
Green Gecko Inc.
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.09 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Igus on 09/07/2007 17:27:28
From my experiences, most pirates all run and hide as soon as there is a group coming their way. Most of the pirates I have encountered only are after the weak and defenseless.
Not all though, there have been a few that are a heck of a good time to fight, its just the majority that give pirates the bad name. (ha, pirates with a bad name, irony!)
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KRIKIIAN
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Posted - 2007.07.09 17:34:00 -
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all the good pvpers are usually to busy in 0.0 to worry about pirates. However, if I am in lowsec I attack em if I see em. That is of course unless I am outnumbered.
Most of the time however pirates dock when I'm in the system = P. |
Anferney
Ethereal Mercenary Services
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.09 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Igus
From my experiences, most pirates all run and hide as soon as there is a group coming their way. Most of the pirates I have encountered only are after the weak and defenseless.
Isn't avoiding losses part of turning a profit as a pirate? Or any profession really? Thus, isn't it a good idea for them to run to fight another day?
Sorry, but his whole 'Pirates should fight fair' theme does not strike as very piratey. Pirates are supposed to attack what they can easily defeat while running from what they can't. Otherwise, they end up dead and don't make much money.
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Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.07.09 18:11:00 -
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The African Contingent and Mobile Alcohol Processing Units are some of the corps who operate in my neck of the woods. I've lost a few ships to them but then I hunt in a Rifter for the most part, so I see no sense in trying to take on the gangs and ships these guys run with.
It is a very rare thing for an Anti Pirate outfit to go after one of the bigger Pirate Corps, I doubt many would have the balls to jump into Rancer and duke it out with Tiller's Ego and I know only of Celestial Apoc going after Veto. It's all about the numbers, whether ISK or Gang size, we like the Anti Pirates, only engage when they make sense.
Originally by: KRIKIIAN
Most of the time however pirates dock when I'm in the system = P.
Never heard of you :P
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Tyreal Magnus
Caldari
Vindictive Behavior
THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2007.07.09 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Akurion
It's kinda rough being an anti-pirate. Our lifestyle isn't supported very well by the game's mechanics (i.e. "Oh look, there's a -4.2, 100m bounty pirate cruising the belts. However I can't attack him without getting a sec hit.")
Have you heard of the marvel comic character "The Punisherö? He goes around killing bad guys without any thought about the legal ramifications. He is out there to punish the evil and wrong, no matter the cost / damage he does.
There was also a spin off series for Venom, were Eddie Brock becomes an anti-hero, killing anyone that would harm the innocentà (And of course the innocent when he lost control of his suit)
Spawn, he has no problem killing the bad guys, fear of the police never stopped him.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.09 18:30:00 -
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Pirates are noobs, there is no sport in killing noobs.
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Faekurias
Federation Fleet
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.07.09 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Pirates are noobs, there is no sport in killing noobs.
lol
<insert flame here>
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Boomershoot
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Posted - 2007.07.09 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Pirates are noobs, there is no sport in killing noobs.
noobs that whines about pirates are suitable for 1 free kill.
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Plaetean
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.09 19:01:00 -
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It's not exticnt, makes for a fun night when the war targets dry up.
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War Drumb
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Posted - 2007.07.09 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: War Drumb on 09/07/2007 19:34:28
We live. But it is true that it is getting harder and harder to help pilots in need.
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Warrio
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.09 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Warrio on 09/07/2007 20:41:48
Originally by: Tyreal Magnus
Edited by: Tyreal Magnus on 09/07/2007 18:36:00
Originally by: Akurion
It's kinda rough being an anti-pirate. Our lifestyle isn't supported very well by the game's mechanics (i.e. "Oh look, there's a -4.2, 100m bounty pirate cruising the belts. However I can't attack him without getting a sec hit.")
Have you heard of the marvel comic character "The Punisherö? He goes around killing bad guys without any thought about the legal ramifications. He is out there to punish the evil and wrong, no matter the cost / damage he does.
There was also a spin off series for Venom, were Eddie Brock becomes an anti-hero, killing anyone that would harm the innocentà (And of course the innocent when he lost control of his suit)
Edit, here are some more i thought of:
Batman: Ok, so does not kill.. he still kicks but and the law is not always on his side.
Daredevil: He broke the kingpin's legs in the movie.. in the comic he killed him.
The Crow: i dont know much about this guy, but he kills the bad guys 
V (for Vendetta): This guy is damn cool, he has no problem killing the bad guys
Dexter (serial killer): Ok this guy is screwed up, but he kills the bad guys too
In fact most Vigilante's do not have the law on thier side, that does not stop them however.
Spawn, he has no problem killing the bad guys, fear of the police never stopped him.
Thats fantastic that you know so much about these comics however in Eve, after a few sec hits then there is no difference between the face of an anti-pirate and the face of a pirate... they all blink red in the overview.
Hence, anit-pirates are now going to kill the other anti-pirates because they look like pirates however in doing so they have killed another good guy and become a pirate themself.
Piracy is inevitable... Just Do It.
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mikaelim
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Styphon
Hi all
Where are the good guys lol?
all i see here is pirates pirates pirates
no Anti pirates are they all gone? or maybe there where really never any serious anti pirates
except for Celestial Apoc
probably pirating is far more fun , i think thats the main reason y no one wants to go after pirates
still sad
share your thoughts
For some reasons most people that are feeling like anti-pirates lack dedication. For example many of them claim they cannot kill pirates > -5.0 because of the sec-hit.
Apart from there being enough who are outlaw and still don't get killed by anti-pies this point is wrong anyway. No serious anti-pirate would bother about losing some sec-status to kill a pirate. Thats just a cheap excuse for not fighting. They fear the sentries thats about it.
After all its easy to keep his sec clean with just a bit of ratting. Especially if you don't kill anything you meet and half of your targets are outlaw anyway. The only thing one could argue would be RP-reasons. But from RP-perspective somebody with only like -3.0 or only a bounty is just not a pirate at least none who you may shoot. So that doesnt make sense either.
99% of anti-pies are disgruntled miners who like to play tough when its 12 ravens vs. 2 pirate bcs at a gate. They love to lock you at gates/station but never have the guts to actually engage. And they love the smack ofc. Oh and breaking 1vs1 and blobbing (one of the main criticisms on piracy) is a legit tactics to them well because they are "the good guys". lol.
Only half decent antipies i've met were CVA. If they feel the way that day they have proper response-times and can pack a punch. Also i didn't experience any smack from them.
And btw. many of them have negative security status for some time because they don't hide behind this security status excuse.
But then again are they 100% dedicated to it? No. Pirates often (try) to do piracy 100% of their gametime. No wonder they are more effective.
I'd like to see an antipie corp that really dedicates all of its resources and members to actually hunting down and killing targets. Carebearing as much as needed to get the money for pvp but nothing else. Won't happen.
Because after a while they realize they actually give a **** for concord law. All they really want is to kill people and pvp and get nice loot - have fun that is. And when they reach this point they usually turn pirate because this only widens the range of possible targets.
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Irob Urore
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Irob Urore on 09/07/2007 22:04:26
can't beat em join em? Actually probably only way you can truly beat them, everyone will be camping every gate in eve but noone will be actually traveling anywhere.  and heres a pig looking smiley also
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Onwyn Orbatsuu
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.09 23:31:00 -
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We ha a solid group of anti-pies in the fribrodi constellation some time ago. iMPC, TIC and a few others who have now moved on, other then Ginger's constant carrier and mega spam and eventually his alts as well and when they hired mercs to wardec us, it was a pirate graveyard. It's probably gone to hell now though, we left ginger to his gatecamps and that was that, we moved to 0.0
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Stakhanov
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.10 00:45:00 -
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Last I checked , The Vigil was active in minmatar lowsec , despite taking a beating by Molotov. Fairly competent and daring I'd say.
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Jex Jast
Amarr
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.07.10 03:10:00 -
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There are some AP's out there. I tend to run into a lot of them, somehow. Maybe cause I'm one of few blinkies who moves around so much in the small area I live. And I'm not even a pirate anymore  but they still shoot me.
As for the stereotypes, today I met a solo AP, so I can confirm that they don't all blob all the time. But then again, I got ganked in my kestrel by a mob of one bs, a covops (snuck up and let them warp-to), and 2 AFs. Seriously, do you need that kind of force to take out a T1 frig? They weren't even in the same alliance, let alone corp...guess I was really bugging the populace in that pwnmobile...
AP isn't dead, it's just hard, and tedious, and as mentioned, not really supported by the game mechanics.
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Sorohwi
Minmatar
Typo Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.10 03:44:00 -
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The simple fact of the matter is, Anti-Piracy just doesn't pay the bills.
For my own part, I blast anyone who has a neg sec status and if I have no reason to believe they got it through vigilante actions of their own. However, by facing a pirate, you're facing an experienced pilot in a combat ship Set up entirely for gankage...whereas a pirate is up against that, as well as miners, haulers, and noobs.
Another problem is that the ones who are really worth going after, the ones with decent bounties and ships that can offer great loot if popped, are forever sitting afk in a dock, and never seem to travel except in groups. And if you catch one in a station-less system, they'll zip around, avoiding you, until five of their buddies come in for backup.
I don't hold it against them. I mean, you can't really expect honor and morality from a profression which revolves around inciting the suffering of others and profiting therefrom. But I'd really like to see some improvements made to the game mechanics, to allow the good guys to fight back a little more efficiently.
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Jex Jast
Amarr
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.07.10 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sorohwi
I don't hold it against them. I mean, you can't really expect honor and morality from a profression which revolves around inciting the suffering of others and profiting therefrom. But I'd really like to see some improvements made to the game mechanics, to allow the good guys to fight back a little more efficiently.
Well said. You can't expect a pirate to stand and fight against a blob, it's not good business. You should expect him to blob you, it's a split profit but it's a much more likely profit. You can't expect a pirate to have an even fight if he can help it, he'll zip around as mentioned because it saves him money.
However I agree with the final statement that APs/BHs/vigilantes should be able to do more than what they can. I'm tired and realize that statement is extremely vague and some other word I can't think of right now...but yeah it's my sentence and that's what I'm thinking.
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Tyreal Magnus
Caldari
Vindictive Behavior
THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2007.07.10 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: Warrio
Edited by: Warrio on 09/07/2007 20:41:48
Originally by: Tyreal Magnus
Edited by: Tyreal Magnus on 09/07/2007 18:36:00
Originally by: Akurion
It's kinda rough being an anti-pirate. Our lifestyle isn't supported very well by the game's mechanics (i.e. "Oh look, there's a -4.2, 100m bounty pirate cruising the belts. However I can't attack him without getting a sec hit.")
Have you heard of the marvel comic character "The Punisherö? He goes around killing bad guys without any thought about the legal ramifications. He is out there to punish the evil and wrong, no matter the cost / damage he does.
There was also a spin off series for Venom, were Eddie Brock becomes an anti-hero, killing anyone that would harm the innocentà (And of course the innocent when he lost control of his suit)
Edit, here are some more i thought of:
Batman: Ok, so does not kill.. he still kicks but and the law is not always on his side.
Daredevil: He broke the kingpin's legs in the movie.. in the comic he killed him.
The Crow: i dont know much about this guy, but he kills the bad guys
V (for Vendetta): This guy is damn cool, he has no problem killing the bad guys
Dexter (serial killer): Ok this guy is screwed up, but he kills the bad guys too
In fact most Vigilante's do not have the law on thier side, that does not stop them however.
Spawn, he has no problem killing the bad guys, fear of the police never stopped him.
Thats fantastic that you know so much about these comics however in Eve, after a few sec hits then there is no difference between the face of an anti-pirate and the face of a pirate... they all blink red in the overview.
Hence, anit-pirates are now going to kill the other anti-pirates because they look like pirates however in doing so they have killed another good guy and become a pirate themself.
Piracy is inevitable... Just Do It.
Well actully... anti pirates can set standings :D and make a name for themselves.... stick too 0.0 or genrally communicate to avoid killing the good guys.
and for arguments sake some of these anti heros had no problem killing the other heros should they cross each other.
I have an issue of the amazing spiderman where the punisher fights with spiderman. I have another spinoff where spiderman is killed by the punisher. So it is not out of character for an anti pirate to kill another 'hero' 
And off topic, i have a what-if issue of where the punisher gets the venom symbiote and actully tames it! Well he makes a deal that he only kills bad guys but it was pretty cool I want a venom suit for my ship to make it stonger ....
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.10 11:22:00 -
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The reason there are not may full time anti-pirates is because its boring, non profitable and a waste of effort.
A pirate will not quit being a pirate because of a few white horses carrying noble knights on em flying into the system and out blobing him or even popping his ship. He will just move to another area or call in buddys to see them off.
Its about profit and a pirate can make more in 1 hour than a anti-pirate can make in days.
Ive made a comfortable eve living pirating and anti-pirates are not an issue as far as being other than a easily avoidable entity.
I can make anywhere from 1 - who knows what billion isk per month pirating to fund my game play. And unless im particularly bored and feel like a blobby fight i hardly lose my ships.
Anti-pirates on the other hand at most get to kill me and or my 2 or 3 friends hardly ever due to the fact that we all pvp gang style in 0.0 for our corps/alliance and not in low sec. Low sec where we pirate is for pure profit and not to be mistaken for a bunch of -10 pvpers looking for anything resembling a fair fight.
So with the fact that the anti-pirates have to find us and if they do we will just go to another system to do our stuff(i have piracy fitted ships all over eve just for these events).
And the fact that even if they do pop me the only profit is the few modules that are not destroyed, ok T2 but devided between 4-5 anti-pirates at least thats hardly a big haul, there is no real profit in it at all.
YAAAARRR ftw imho and not because eve supports pirates or does not support anti-pirates but because ppl insist on flying into and through low sec without scouts, gaurds or any kind of protection while carrying uber valuable items.
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Phoenus
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.10 11:31:00 -
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Anti-piracy can be incredibly profitable.
If you are good at it.
The downside of being good at it, however, is that word spreads amongst pirates about people to watch out for. Given enough time, pirates usually just end up docking when you are in local, unless they have overwhelming odds.
I sat in Egghelende the other night, and was engaged by a Nos Abaddon, Maelstrom and Harbinger. I jumped out to start with (No cap, having realised that their setups were complete toss  ). I jumped back in 5 minutes later (still solo, mind you) and they would not come and engage. When I offered them the option of engaging at their safespot (which I busted), they preferred to dock and log.
If you are good, you can't do anti-piracy full time. You have to cleanse them for 3-4 weeks, then take a month off, then come back when there are fresh faces 
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.10 11:33:00 -
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Being -10 and in a anti-pirate corp is fun 
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.10 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenus
Anti-piracy can be incredibly profitable.
If you are good at it.
The downside of being good at it, however, is that word spreads amongst pirates about people to watch out for. Given enough time, pirates usually just end up docking when you are in local, unless they have overwhelming odds.
I sat in Egghelende the other night, and was engaged by a Nos Abaddon, Maelstrom and Harbinger. I jumped out to start with (No cap, having realised that their setups were complete toss ). I jumped back in 5 minutes later (still solo, mind you) and they would not come and engage. When I offered them the option of engaging at their safespot (which I busted), they preferred to dock and log.
If you are good, you can't do anti-piracy full time. You have to cleanse them for 3-4 weeks, then take a month off, then come back when there are fresh faces
What were you flying?. Cos if they nailed your cap once they could do it again and if it can shoot and tank with 0 cap i want one. I reeeeealy want one.
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Xenios Alfar
Minmatar
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.10 11:41:00 -
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Any respectable pirate will be outlaw therefore anti-pirates have free game, and if any of us try to help out we get sentry fire, now tell us game mechanics arent in your favour 
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.10 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenus
Anti-piracy can be incredibly profitable.
If you are good at it.
The downside of being good at it, however, is that word spreads amongst pirates about people to watch out for. Given enough time, pirates usually just end up docking when you are in local, unless they have overwhelming odds.
I sat in Egghelende the other night, and was engaged by a Nos Abaddon, Maelstrom and Harbinger. I jumped out to start with (No cap, having realised that their setups were complete toss ). I jumped back in 5 minutes later (still solo, mind you) and they would not come and engage. When I offered them the option of engaging at their safespot (which I busted), they preferred to dock and log.
If you are good, you can't do anti-piracy full time. You have to cleanse them for 3-4 weeks, then take a month off, then come back when there are fresh faces
So true. The majority of ppl pirates tend to kill have crummy fittings. Most pirates will use t2/best named gear as standard and considering gate guns are on your side if u choose ur fights well u can make plenty of cash.
I've often thought about how much fun it would be to attack pirate gatecamps solo with sentries with you or attacking smaller pirate ships in groups on gate knowing the rest of them can't help.
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NeoTheo
Caldari
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2007.07.10 14:47:00 -
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to answer your question, no matter if your anti pirate or not, hunting down a pirate organisation is very tough work.
pirates pick there battles very well, its not like your the pirate (IE bodding about looking to pick on some weak guy whos in a mission with 10 million rats on him, or someone mining away in a ore field in a barge) - your hunting in essance skilled players who often out number you and very much stick to established systems that they know very well, more safe spots than you can shake a stick at and such...
there are not many good guys around simply because anti pirating is seriously hard work.
still tho, i dont really like picking on the weak and the innocent, so whilst my corp is not a merc corp, or a anti pirate corp we do not take kindly to pirate activity.
/Theo
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