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Kindakrof
Caldari
Cruor Frater
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.07.10 02:41:00 -
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Yeah what's up with the carriers killing all the fun?
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.10 02:44:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 10/07/2007 02:46:36
 Originally by: Kindakrof
Yeah what's up with the carriers killing all the fun?
I'm amazed by all the detail included in your post as to why carrier use is ruining PVP. I mean you make such a convincing point. I could never argue with that level of logic and detail. /sarcasm
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Vincenzo Delloro
Amarr
Lux et Veritas
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Posted - 2007.07.10 02:50:00 -
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And what's up with dog groomers?
I mean seriously, people make a living trimming dog hair. What's with that?
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JamesTalon
Caldari
Electric Fury Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.10 02:51:00 -
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How are we carrier pilots ruining PvP? We need content to know how! Come, don't be mean, don't leave us in suspense!
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.07.10 02:52:00 -
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Carriers are useless!!!! Dampen them and kill thier drones then laugh at them as sit there with thier thumb up thier butts
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Arrgs
Retribution Corp.
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Posted - 2007.07.10 03:12:00 -
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Signed **** carriers.
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UPA Terf
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2007.07.10 03:13:00 -
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agreed
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Posted - 2007.07.10 03:17:00 -
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didnt you know?! the bigger the better is ccp's main mark.
most be compensating for something, or just plain stupid;)
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Shinris
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Posted - 2007.07.10 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: JamesTalon
How are we carrier pilots ruining PvP? We need content to know how! Come, don't be mean, don't leave us in suspense!
by not beeing a part of it..
carriers sit at a pos and just there presents makes 35 fighters attached to the 7 man frigs scoud.
that is what ruins it, if you wanted to be realistic they should have the abillity to send all there fighters though belts from the pos, and the abillity to just control them and see the battle from the fighters point of view, but this would only overpower them even more..
either "fighters are WAY too cheap and too many can be controlled by one pilot", or "they should not be able to be attached to other players.
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iudex
Caldari
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.10 03:49:00 -
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Welcome to the age of capital ship warfare, where a carrier is nothing uncommon anymore but a must-have for anyone who dares to enter something lower than 0.4. Everyone and his dog flys a carrier or dread nowadays. Adapt or you will become a victim of evolution.
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.10 04:02:00 -
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Carriers + NPC stations. Most boring ****fest ever. Even conquerables it's pretty lame at.
Being dropped on small fights is a slightly different problem, the cost to deploy is simply low (and the method pretty lame) - but that can be dealt with and punished. Station-games outside most quasi-unbumpable stations not really however.
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Durham Elysion
Solar Wind
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.10 04:51:00 -
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Hehe, fighers are easy to kill if you're in a small gang with fast agile ships. I once tried to tank a couple of enher...w/e some fighers with my dual repping superresist megathron. I managed three  then I went out with my T2 thorax and I got them to structure. He withdrew them as they went into strucure and I actually managed to surive 5 of them. The guy had 12 of them so it wasn't like being called primary, but they are totally killable if you're a couple of guys :)
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Heraklitus Nomidzon
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.07.10 05:34:00 -
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Carriers are pretty fun to blow up. Most people don't know how to fit them and don't know what they're properly used for.
Get a few friends, damps, nos. . . fun kill.
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Bizz Lizz
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Posted - 2007.07.10 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat
Carriers are useless!!!! Dampen them and kill thier drones then laugh at them as sit there with thier thumb up thier butts
On their own ... The situation, when carriers are a problem, is usually that you are outnumbered already and then dozens of fighters add to the lagfest.
Some carriers without strong support are usually dead meat to a properly fitted BS gang. It goes like: 'Nice, some carrier undocking, lets bump them away and kill them.'
But with a huge fleet that outnumbers you already, they are a pain. Worst experience I had, was a fight, where the killboard said later that 20 carriers were involved and we were outnumbered without them already. Was just dying in a fight with 0.x FPS.
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Chewan Mesa
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.10 07:28:00 -
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Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 10/07/2007 07:30:17
Originally by: Bizz Lizz
Originally by: DHB WildCat
Carriers are useless!!!! Dampen them and kill thier drones then laugh at them as sit there with thier thumb up thier butts
On their own ... The situation, when carriers are a problem, is usually that you are outnumbered already and then dozens of fighters add to the lagfest.
Some carriers without strong support are usually dead meat to a properly fitted BS gang. It goes like: 'Nice, some carrier undocking, lets bump them away and kill them.'
But with a huge fleet that outnumbers you already, they are a pain. Worst experience I had, was a fight, where the killboard said later that 20 carriers were involved and we were outnumbered without them already. Was just dying in a fight with 0.x FPS.
So you were outnumbered, and they had 20 people in carriers...now if said 20 people would have grabbed a BS instead, you would have still died right? So where exactly did Carriers tip the balance?
Originally by: Shinris
either "fighters are WAY too cheap and too many can be controlled by one pilot", or "they should not be able to be attached to other players.
Most carrier pilots who use their carriers properly wouldnt argue with that, POS-hugging is boring anyway.
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Del Narveux
Obsidian Angels Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.10 07:29:00 -
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holy **** I just had an awesome idea to nerf carriers without significantly impacting their intended purpose (fleet fights)
Make fighters require fuel to launch, to the tune of ~2mil per fighter per launch. Maybe eat up a little bit per warp too, or something. Theyd still be the same fighters, for situations where you really need projected firepower, but might discourage their use as uber gank domis for regular fights.
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Bizz Lizz
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Posted - 2007.07.10 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Bizz Lizz on 10/07/2007 07:43:21
Originally by: Chewan Mesa
So you were outnumbered, and they had 20 people in carriers...now if said 20 people would have grabbed a BS instead, you would have still died right? So where exactly did Carriers tip the balance?
Well, we have won outnumbered BS vs. BS already more than once. I'd engage 40 vs. 60, us being 40, anytime with my alliance, at least as long as we usually kill more than we lose. 
But I don't complain about carriers itself, more about those laggy huge blob fights with like 150+ players involved, where lots fighters make it even worse.
=> My conclusion is: Train for capitals myself. 1 dread char ready, 3 carrier chars almost there. Now I'm waiting for a better PC and then I'm adding to the lagfest myself. 
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Santa Anna
Caldari
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.10 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux
holy **** I just had an awesome idea to nerf carriers without significantly impacting their intended purpose (fleet fights)
Make fighters require fuel to launch, to the tune of ~2mil per fighter per launch. Maybe eat up a little bit per warp too, or something. Theyd still be the same fighters, for situations where you really need projected firepower, but might discourage their use as uber gank domis for regular fights.
Please don't gimp carriers. Killing them is fun.
I would like to see a nerf to the invulnerability of mother ships in low sec, though. Maybe allow dictor bubbles on grids that already have hostile supercaps?
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Gaia Thorn
Infestation.
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Posted - 2007.07.10 08:09:00 -
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Or instead of making the fighters cost fuel give option of fitting DDD on them or maybe i dont know make em like transformers so if u have 5 carriers u can tranform into optimus prime or something like that with a big shiny sword that smashes everything in its path.
Hell why stop there i wanna have manga mega robots aswell so bring on the mechs.
I know dark shikari would love that.
But on a seroius note carriers are fine they are pretty easy to take out, requires abit of planning and well performed execution of a battle plan.
but they sure makes a good psych factor on people i mean in the middle of the fight just jump in a alt and pop a cyno i garantue that most peopl will start to scatter or call the small ship primary.
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.10 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kindakrof
Edited by: Kindakrof on 10/07/2007 03:06:55
Edited by: Kindakrof on 10/07/2007 03:05:48
Yeah what's up with the carriers killing all the fun?
Small scale PVP.
Funny you should say that, as members of your own awesome corp bring out extra carriers in evenly matched 1-on-1's.
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Kindakrof
Caldari
Cruor Frater
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.07.10 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: ApaKaka
Originally by: Kindakrof
Edited by: Kindakrof on 10/07/2007 03:06:55
Edited by: Kindakrof on 10/07/2007 03:05:48
Yeah what's up with the carriers killing all the fun?
Small scale PVP.
Funny you should say that, as members of your own awesome corp bring out extra carriers in evenly matched 1-on-1's.
It's 0.0 Not lowsexxx
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Xtreem
Gallente
Matari Initiative
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Posted - 2007.07.10 09:10:00 -
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carriers are excellent and needed in game however they are wayyyy too cheep everyman and his dog has one.
they need to be buffed a few times over (say 3x stats they have now) but the price needs to be 20x higher, same with MS and titans.
all capitals should be stuidly hard to get, and harder to lose.
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Del Narveux
Obsidian Angels Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.10 09:14:00 -
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No, what they need is a dose of dreadnought style balancing so theyre not just the next step up from battleships and anyone who doesnt have 2 billion isk for ship+mods+skills is useless for 'real' fights. Remember, theres no such thing as prohibitively expensive, at the time thats what people said about supercaps when they were added but here we are a year later and they are getting cranked out with monotonous regularity.
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Xtreem
Gallente
Matari Initiative
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Posted - 2007.07.10 09:27:00 -
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one thing to remember is, the cost of a carrier + fitting + drones is about the same cost as the bs and fittings needed to take it down, just shares the expense over several people instead of just one.
just harder to gank a carrier, there quite easy to kill
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