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Forum Chav
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:13:00 -
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Lost several Tengus recently whilst running plex in null. If I shove two WCS on the ship, how much would it gimp it? |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
329
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:15:00 -
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Wash clothes are over powered. |
Forum Chav
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:18:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:Wash clothes are over powered.
'Wash clothes' ...? That an expression for WCS? 
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Archare
SKEET ELITE
Sk33t Fl33t
42
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:32:00 -
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Waterclosets?... well I guess you gotta go somewhere in space.... |
Forum Chav
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:35:00 -
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Archare wrote:Waterclosets?... well I guess you gotta go somewhere in space....
Ok, ok, ok...I give up, lol. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
253
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:38:00 -
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Forum Chav wrote:Lost several Tengus recently whilst running plex in null. If I shove two WCS on the ship, how much would it gimp it?
You go from around 640 DPS to 550 (assuming 4 BCS to start with) and your lock range range and scan res go to 45km and about 110 (nearly 20 seconds to lock a frig).
IMO, It's not worth it. Just watch local for neuts and D-scan for probes.
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1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1858
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Posted - 2012.01.09 02:09:00 -
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No, No, Just No, Don't Do It, Just.. No
5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me!-áRemember EVE is EVErything! |
Goose99
648
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Posted - 2012.01.09 02:23:00 -
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They're just afraid that you'd warp away when they catch you. |
Murtific
Snuff Box
26
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:31:00 -
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go diaf.... o wait... |
I likegirls
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:17:00 -
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Are you losing them to the rats or to players because you are tackled by the rats when hostiles come in?
Fitting a WCS is a bad idea regardless, you should just pay attention and kill warp scrambling frigs. |
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Ameron Phinard
7
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:38:00 -
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A hilarious killmail. |
Myz Toyou
Bite me inc.
Narwhals Ate My Duck
28
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:46:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Forum Chav wrote:Lost several Tengus recently whilst running plex in null. If I shove two WCS on the ship, how much would it gimp it? IMO, It's not worth it. Just watch local for neuts and D-scan for probes.
OP should sue the guy who sold him the bot-program that failed him imo.
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Suzu Fujibayashi
Happy Dudes
7
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Posted - 2012.01.09 13:41:00 -
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WCS, worth it? |
Forum Chav
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:34:00 -
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Interesting KM Suzu. That's obviously a PVP Tengu, and tge situation is a lot different to the one I've faced. Thanks for posting that though. However, after giving it more thought, I realised that the first time I succeed at escaping, I will simply face them again and they will have adapted to overcome my by-then-gimped fit. Bu**er.  |
Forum Chav
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:35:00 -
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Myz Toyou wrote:Mfume Apocal wrote:Forum Chav wrote:Lost several Tengus recently whilst running plex in null. If I shove two WCS on the ship, how much would it gimp it? IMO, It's not worth it. Just watch local for neuts and D-scan for probes. OP should sue the guy who sold him the bot-program that failed him imo.
*bugger* ....found out again..... |
Forum Chav
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:38:00 -
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I likegirls wrote:Are you losing them to the rats or to players because you are tackled by the rats when hostiles come in?
Fitting a WCS is a bad idea regardless, you should just pay attention and kill warp scrambling frigs.
No mate, I'm not, but that's a good point re. scrambling frigs.
I dunno, WCS used to have a seriously bad name pre-nerf, and imo, rightly so. However, they are legitimate modules and I'm thinking that they may be the answer to my problem. Cheers though.
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Forum Chav
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:43:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Forum Chav wrote:Lost several Tengus recently whilst running plex in null. If I shove two WCS on the ship, how much would it gimp it? You go from around 640 DPS to 550 (assuming 4 BCS to start with) and your lock range range and scan res go to 45km and about 110 (nearly 20 seconds to lock a frig). IMO, It's not worth it. Just watch local for neuts and D-scan for probes.
Thanks for that info Mfume, nice one. Watching D-Scan for neuts and that is always good. However, my nemesis is one of those always in system and cloaked. D-Scan is good, but won't reveal cloakers like Rapiers. By the time I've reacted, his pals are in the system and I'm bu**ered. I can't stay aligned all the time because I'll go out of targetting range.
Thanks again for those figures. Gives me something to think about. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
254
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:49:00 -
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Forum Chav wrote:Thanks for that info Mfume, nice one. Watching D-Scan for neuts and that is always good. However, my nemesis is one of those always in system and cloaked. D-Scan is good, but won't reveal cloakers like Rapiers. By the time I've reacted, his pals are in the system and I'm bu**ered. I can't stay aligned all the time because I'll go out of targetting range.
Thanks again for those figures. Gives me something to think about.
D-scan shows combat probes, set it to 8 AU and once you see 4x on your D-scan warp out. Alternatively (BOLD PVE) you just stay aligned out, swapping align points every few minutes as you get out of range of stuff. |
Goose99
651
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Posted - 2012.01.09 17:01:00 -
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Don't listen to them, just fit WCS. The rage and whine in local when you warp out after being caught is well worth it.
It's just not the same when you leave while they're still scanning. It's normal, and just doesn't produce sufficient amount of butthurt. |
Forum Chav
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:19:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Forum Chav wrote:Thanks for that info Mfume, nice one. Watching D-Scan for neuts and that is always good. However, my nemesis is one of those always in system and cloaked. D-Scan is good, but won't reveal cloakers like Rapiers. By the time I've reacted, his pals are in the system and I'm bu**ered. I can't stay aligned all the time because I'll go out of targetting range.
Thanks again for those figures. Gives me something to think about. D-scan shows combat probes, set it to 8 AU and once you see 4x on your D-scan warp out. Alternatively (BOLD PVE) you just stay aligned out, swapping align points every few minutes as you get out of range of stuff.
yeah, I know the D-Scan shows combat probes, but wasn't aware of what distance to set and what amount [of probes] to see before legging it. Thanks Mfume, nice one. |
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
17
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:13:00 -
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I suppose you just have to look at your particular case and decide whether the good outweighs the bad. So, does it?
The good: your killers get extra amusement from laughing at your failfit when they gank you with a HIC's infinipoint.
The bad: less dps, crippled lock range and time, making it public knowledge (when your killmail is posted) that you're too stupid to use your d-scan properly and avoid getting killed.
I don't know about you, but IMO this is a very good trade, and you should always fit at least 2-3 WCS. |
river Zateki
The Elysian Agoge
Elysian Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.01.10 00:52:00 -
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Obviously use the interdiction nullifier, it's the equivilent of 4 warp core stabs |
Forum Chav
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.01.10 12:16:00 -
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river Zateki wrote: Obviously use the interdiction nullifier, it's the equivilent of 4 warp core stabs
I thought that the Interdiction Nullifier was only effective against well, interdiction, not warp disruptors / scrams? I'll have to double-check that one. I'd looked at the interdiction nullifier subsystem but obviously not well enough. Cheers for the point out.
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Forum Chav
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.01.10 12:19:00 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote:I suppose you just have to look at your particular case and decide whether the good outweighs the bad. So, does it?
The good: your killers get extra amusement from laughing at your failfit when they gank you with a HIC's infinipoint.
The bad: less dps, crippled lock range and time, making it public knowledge (when your killmail is posted) that you're too stupid to use your d-scan properly and avoid getting killed.
I don't know about you, but IMO this is a very good trade, and you should always fit at least 2-3 WCS.
You know Merin, I've never actually known for sure when you're being straight up or just pi**y, lol. Plus, D-Scan isn't a lot of good against cloaky tacklers until they decloak, no?
I'm now thinking about getting my alt trained up for an an Oracle for damage dealing and using the Tengu as an orbiting damage taker and simply spamming hydra's, thereby avoiding shyte lock time, et al. Thoughts?
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
19
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Posted - 2012.01.10 17:24:00 -
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Forum Chav wrote:You know Merin, I've never actually known for sure when you're being straight up or just pi**y, lol. Plus, D-Scan isn't a lot of good against cloaky tacklers until they decloak, no?
Minimum delay before starting to lock a target*: 5 seconds.
Tengu align time: less than 5 seconds.
Chance of catching a Tengu pilot who isn't AFK: zero.
And of course there's always the classic jetcan on the warp-in point method of dealing with cloaking tacklers. But feel free to ignore these things and fit your WCS, that way we can all laugh at you when a multi-point Arazu tackles you anyway.
*Yes, bombers have zero delay, but they won't live long enough to tackle you.
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IceBergSlim
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2012.01.10 18:44:00 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote:Forum Chav wrote:You know Merin, I've never actually known for sure when you're being straight up or just pi**y, lol. Plus, D-Scan isn't a lot of good against cloaky tacklers until they decloak, no? Minimum delay before starting to lock a target*: 5 seconds. Tengu align time: less than 5 seconds. Chance of catching a Tengu pilot who isn't AFK: zero. And of course there's always the classic jetcan on the warp-in point method of dealing with cloaking tacklers. But feel free to ignore these things and fit your WCS, that way we can all laugh at you when a multi-point Arazu tackles you anyway. *Yes, bombers have zero delay, but they won't live long enough to tackle you.
lol |
Forum Chav
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.01.10 18:52:00 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote:Forum Chav wrote:You know Merin, I've never actually known for sure when you're being straight up or just pi**y, lol. Plus, D-Scan isn't a lot of good against cloaky tacklers until they decloak, no? Minimum delay before starting to lock a target*: 5 seconds. Tengu align time: less than 5 seconds. Chance of catching a Tengu pilot who isn't AFK: zero. And of course there's always the classic jetcan on the warp-in point method of dealing with cloaking tacklers. But feel free to ignore these things and fit your WCS, that way we can all laugh at you when a multi-point Arazu tackles you anyway. *Yes, bombers have zero delay, but they won't live long enough to tackle you.
It is difficult to ignore something you were never aware of Merin. What happened to you, you never used to be this pi$$y? Ah well, ho-hum.
I wasn't aware of the jetcan idea - as surprising to you as that may be Merin - so thanks for that, it will really help. Shame you feel the need to belittle people for not being as informed as you. |
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