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Reithan Caldari LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.07.12 04:31:00 - [1] Originally by: "Manticore description" Lai Dai have always favored a balanced approach to their mix of on-board systems, leading to a line-up of versatile ships. The Manticore differs from other stealth bombers by virtue of its additional launcher hardpoint. Now, unfortunately this is no longer the case. This leaves us with 2 problems: 1. The description is wrong. Either give it ANOTHER launcher hardpoint (LOL, fat-chance), or remove that point from the description. 2. The ship is HUGELY less powerful than the other SBs. The manticore was balanced with an extra launcher hardpoint in it's stats. Now all the ships have the same number of hardpoints, but the manticore's statline is still significantly lower than the other SBs. Please, give this some attention. -----------------------------------------------
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.12 04:34:00 - [2] w0rd - Recruitment open again-
wettestwillie Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.07.12 04:44:00 - [3] I agree. I don't understand why all the other bombers were updated to begin with. They were perfectly balanced. I was more then content with flying a 3.5m Nemesis without the extra port. Now they are all the same price and there are no advantages to flying one over the other.
Hajyt Caldari EnTech	Posted - 2007.07.12 06:02:00 - [4] How exactly is it HUGELY underpowered compared to the other SB's?
wettestwillie Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.07.12 06:13:00 - [5] Originally by: Hajyt How exactly is it HUGELY underpowered compared to the other SB's? It's not. Slightly more mass and less capacitor, but it used to make up for with the extra port. Now its the most useless bomber, even if only by a little.
Bohoba Caldari Dragons United Pure.	Posted - 2007.07.12 06:13:00 - [6] Originally by: Hajyt How exactly is it HUGELY underpowered compared to the other SB's? simple CCP hate the Cald race and nerf it every chance they get. don't have the grid to operate the launchers now ... well you can but you lose out on other things, like tank, speed, or cloak, but hey bombs are cool :) The Dark Force is strong in EvE But it will fail Get Into the Game it makes it fun for all
Reithan Caldari LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.07.12 06:22:00 - [7] Originally by: wettestwillie Originally by: Hajyt How exactly is it HUGELY underpowered compared to the other SB's? It's not. Slightly more mass and less capacitor, but it used to make up for with the extra port. Now its the most useless bomber, even if only by a little. More mass, less cap, less speed, less hp on shield, armor and structure, etc etc. It is inferior in every stat to the other SB BECAUSE it used it have an extra hardpoint. -----------------------------------------------
Hajyt Caldari EnTech	Posted - 2007.07.12 06:27:00 - [8] Originally by: wettestwillie Originally by: Hajyt How exactly is it HUGELY underpowered compared to the other SB's? It's not. Slightly more mass and less capacitor, but it used to make up for with the extra port. Now its the most useless bomber, even if only by a little. To be fair, it has the most CPU of all SBs and more cap than the Hound. It just has the most mass as well. It used to be the super SB that none could really compare too, and now the others have been brought up to par. There are still tradeoffs...even if they are small. Things are balanced tbh.
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.12 06:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Reithan Originally by: "Manticore description" Lai Dai have always favored a balanced approach to their mix of on-board systems, leading to a line-up of versatile ships. The Manticore differs from other stealth bombers by virtue of its additional launcher hardpoint. Now, unfortunately this is no longer the case. This leaves us with 2 problems: 1. The description is wrong. Either give it ANOTHER launcher hardpoint (LOL, fat-chance), or remove that point from the description. 2. The ship is HUGELY less powerful than the other SBs. The manticore was balanced with an extra launcher hardpoint in it's stats. Now all the ships have the same number of hardpoints, but the manticore's statline is still significantly lower than the other SBs. Please, give this some attention. Caldari aren't allowed good PvP ships. As reports of Caldari ships proving effective at PvP come in, CCP swiftly and efficiently (stop laughing you at the back) nerf them. It's much quicker to train Minmatar Frigate V than to try and get CCP to fix the Manticore... CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Hajyt Caldari EnTech	Posted - 2007.07.12 06:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Reithan Originally by: wettestwillie Originally by: Hajyt How exactly is it HUGELY underpowered compared to the other SB's? It's not. Slightly more mass and less capacitor, but it used to make up for with the extra port. Now its the most useless bomber, even if only by a little. More mass, less cap, less speed, less hp on shield, armor and structure, etc etc. It is inferior in every stat to the other SB BECAUSE it used it have an extra hardpoint. It actually has the best shield HP and highest CPU. It can't win at everything, else it'd be overpowered compared to the rest.
Beef Hardslab The 5 Amigo's LLC. NxT LeveL	Posted - 2007.07.12 06:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Malcanis Caldari aren't allowed good PvP ships. As reports of Caldari ships proving effective at PvP come in, CCP swiftly and efficiently (stop laughing you at the back) nerf them. They tried to nerf the Crow but they couldn't catch the little bastard. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve: Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
Arimus Darkhart Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.12 06:47:00 - [12] Well could they atleast fix the freeking description and get rid of the extra launcher slot bit.... -- Users are like a virus - each causing a thousand tiny crises until the host finally dies.
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.12 09:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Beef Hardslab Originally by: Malcanis Caldari aren't allowed good PvP ships. As reports of Caldari ships proving effective at PvP come in, CCP swiftly and efficiently (stop laughing you at the back) nerf them. They tried to nerf the Crow but they couldn't catch the little bastard. Ssshhhh!!! CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.12 11:10:00 - [14] Well it should be fine because if you fly caldari you should already have extensive missile skills While an Amarr pilot such as myself only has about 300k sp in missiles. . Do not read this thread!!!
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.07.12 11:26:00 - [15] Add a 4th launcher slot!!!! MWHUAHAHAHAHAA!!! yes i know this will never happen but one can dream what ccp should have done is balance it by perhaps making the bomb launcher specialized more, give some of the other bombers the option to add more bomb launchers but less cm launchers and give the manti less bomb launchers but it has the extra cm launcher. Also mebbe not allow every bomber to launch every type of bomb. anyways i agree just for the fact that caldari is (well.. used to be might be a better discription now) the uber missile launcher race and it's silly that the other racial ships are better at it just because of that alone. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.12 11:30:00 - [16] Edited by: ghosttr on 12/07/2007 11:29:25 Its fine as it is Caldari have more SP in missiles and will have more speed/range/damage than the other races. I dont think that an Amarr char wil try to max out his missile skills just to fly the sb better than a caldari . Do not read this thread!!!
Tireless	Posted - 2007.07.12 11:41:00 - [17] Originally by: ghosttr Edited by: ghosttr on 12/07/2007 11:29:25 Its fine as it is Caldari have more SP in missiles and will have more speed/range/damage than the other races. I dont think that an Amarr char wil try to max out his missile skills just to fly the sb better than a caldari ...... Boost Chimera!
Kebdil X-Fire	Posted - 2007.07.12 11:43:00 - [18] Originally by: ghosttr Edited by: ghosttr on 12/07/2007 11:29:25 Its fine as it is Caldari have more SP in missiles and will have more speed/range/damage than the other races. I dont think that an Amarr char wil try to max out his missile skills just to fly the sb better than a caldari so u say that "if a caldari speced char traines another racial frig to V and with that ship is better then with the caldari ship (which should be the best at that role) nothing is wrong?" sorry m8 i disagree! it shouldnt be so anyway the least that should be done is change the description and fire the poor dev that did a lazy job! poor job both at the balancing and at the not-removing-description LOL -------------------- Proud member of X-Fire since my 1st day ---------- History is on the move captain, those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind to watch from a distance , But those wh
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.12 11:49:00 - [19] manti should have more launcher points soley b/c it's caldari, its BS the other SBs have the same amount of launchers --------------------------------------------------------------
Hotshothotshot1	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:00:00 - [20] nice of ccp to give every other race the same amount of luancher slots eventhough caldari is the missile race. while they are at it how about it then fixing the caldari gunboat by giving them the same amount of turret slots
Jainyer Naughty 40	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:31:00 - [21] Hmmm don't really see the problem, i specified in sb trainning as soon as they were released, trying my best to get some significant dps out of it & while it was succesfull to a degree (mainl;y scaring folks off or single salvoing a frig) it wasn't what i'd hoped, but after much waiting i jumped back into it after the patch & was emensly impressed for starters the second turret point is quite good, the pg has been improved which also helps & brings it inline with other bombers & to be fair i can hit over 1000dps per missile in it now with it's double dmg bonus, i mean i'm hitting around 900 against ships with high resist so to be fair i think it's a awsome l;ittle ship it's perfectly capable now of operating on it's own in fleet it fantastic & in a ghost fleet it really is somethibng to worry about plus it is capable of holding a satisfactory tank, yesterday i was holding a crow, dictor & recon cruiser without breaking a sweat, admitedly they had no nos but it was still holding so to be frank i don't really see what the problem is, but obviously i wouldn't complain if they gave it a 4th laucher

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