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Sharon Osbourne
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Posted - 2004.01.25 05:04:00 -
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we use teamspeak for attacks and defense. Guess what... there are hacks for ts. Your enemy can gain valuable information while you are relaying tactical info to your team.
They hear every word. There are sites that I found while fingers were being pointed at everyone, after these sites were found and read, we decided to use ts against the enemy. you should too. Send 10 different commands at all times, get them to thinking that you are going everywhere. When you have them TOTALLY freaking confused, suprise them. :))
oh btw there is a gang warp bug that pirates are using so turn on your auto blocks to stop them from inviting you to gang, after you reject THEY CAN WARP TO YOU. I dont know exactally how, but keep moving they will never be able to find you. keep making sure that you leave gang if you see that gang option until the devs can fix this new XPLOIT. who found it and used it? your friendly neighborhood pirates. Tx for reading it might save some lives/ships/attitude.
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Lockheed
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Posted - 2004.01.25 05:30:00 -
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Dont forget.. how many times do you ever ctd.
Maybe once a month?
All the sudden, you get ctd's when you get in a system when you near a pirate. its not black majic.
If you were ever on irc, teamspeak, or various other programs while using this game, your ip address of your personal computer is so easy to get.
When the time is right you can recieve a repetitive ping by the pirates to lag your approach/loading time. This is skills not aquired in the game but is possible for these guys to use. This is not anything to do with ccp however they can kill the accounts of people they catch using this exploit.
The only people that have the opportunity to check this is the devs/gm's that actually know that this avenue is possible.
Please do not log on to irc, or teamspeak.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.01.25 06:07:00 -
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You guys are nuts.
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Yurito
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Posted - 2004.01.25 06:48:00 -
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lol
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Betty Boom
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Posted - 2004.01.25 08:06:00 -
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pod yourself :D
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Pussygalore
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Posted - 2004.01.25 09:12:00 -
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a new day a new moan, will this ever end 
you people are so SAD its not real, SO U JUMP IN AND SOME ONE GETS YOUR IP AND LAGS YOU ROFLMFAO 
SPLOIT SPLOIT the sky is falling,theres a wolf,cheques in the post,ofcourse i love you dear,feel free 2 add your own 
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sir tristan
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Posted - 2004.01.25 10:56:00 -
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lmao are you guys ca alts 
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Species 8472
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Posted - 2004.01.25 11:11:00 -
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Its amazing how the pirates of EVE will ridicule what are actual facts. These are the pple that use this exploits to gain an upper hand and CCP wont do anything about it.
Watch and see all the PKERS will smack talk this forum because they know they are the guilty parties.
Ive never ever used an exploit or cheated or even logged off and than logged in alt to make my ship dissappear , many PKERS will when they are loseing , they cant play fair so they try to hack there way into a great Game. to make it easier for them to win.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.01.25 11:32:00 -
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hupa, Emperor and one other dude used the "invite to gang gazillion times" trick against one of my corp mates.
When he clicked on "block this person" and then the "No" button for the gazillionth time he was suddenly in their gang and was warped to.
GMs answered that they have never heard of this before. Sounds like they better learn about it for themselves on the servers so they can verify this.
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Lord Guerdo
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Posted - 2004.01.25 12:16:00 -
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we use teamspeak for attacks and defense. Guess what... there are hacks for ts. Your enemy can gain valuable information while you are relaying tactical info to your team.
They hear every word. There are sites that I found while fingers were being pointed at everyone, after these sites were found and read, we decided to use ts against the enemy. you should too. Send 10 different commands at all times, get them to thinking that you are going everywhere. When you have them TOTALLY freaking confused, suprise them. :))
oh btw there is a gang warp bug that pirates are using so turn on your auto blocks to stop them from inviting you to gang, after you reject THEY CAN WARP TO YOU. I dont know exactally how, but keep moving they will never be able to find you. keep making sure that you leave gang if you see that gang option until the devs can fix this new XPLOIT. who found it and used it? your friendly neighborhood pirates. Tx for reading it might save some lives/ships/attitude.
its not an EXPLOIT DUMBASS its simply inviting you to a gang if your so god dam dumb enough to accept it you deserve to get pwnrised!!!!
I mean c'mon, just think about it. What would make more sense then the 3 most hated alliances teaming up to lay waste to the people they all hate anyways? CA is already allied with PA, and TPS lies between the two alliances. Natural allies to be sure. But it's not just that, all but PA (and even some of them) have adopted a "stfu and die, or come and fight us, we don't give a **** what you think or do" philosophy, as well as a PvP Kill everyone not friend kind of mentality. These are the people in eve that kill or convert, the ones dedicated to the death of others, because history, circumstance, and the rest of eve have driven then to do so (except TPS, who are just cool ass pirates ). |
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Lord Guerdo
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Posted - 2004.01.25 12:20:00 -
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Its amazing how the pirates of EVE will ridicule what are actual facts. These are the pple that use this exploits to gain an upper hand and CCP wont do anything about it.
Watch and see all the PKERS will smack talk this forum because they know they are the guilty parties.
Ive never ever used an exploit or cheated or even logged off and than logged in alt to make my ship dissappear , many PKERS will when they are loseing , they cant play fair so they try to hack there way into a great Game. to make it easier for them to win.
We are smack talking and flamming because we are being accused of hacking and pinging ppls TS servers,
do we not have the right to defend ourselves in the same way that you have accused us???
Do you really think we could be bothered to screws ppl's TS servers when we are preparing for a ******* war??? were too busy setting our **** up to kill you
**** i hate carebear crying n000bs
I mean c'mon, just think about it. What would make more sense then the 3 most hated alliances teaming up to lay waste to the people they all hate anyways? CA is already allied with PA, and TPS lies between the two alliances. Natural allies to be sure. But it's not just that, all but PA (and even some of them) have adopted a "stfu and die, or come and fight us, we don't give a **** what you think or do" philosophy, as well as a PvP Kill everyone not friend kind of mentality. These are the people in eve that kill or convert, the ones dedicated to the death of others, because history, circumstance, and the rest of eve have driven then to do so (except TPS, who are just cool ass pirates ). |
Stone Cold
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Posted - 2004.01.25 13:09:00 -
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There are hacks for Teamspeak, true.
However, you should be careful using those, as they usually also have some additional code in them that steals cd-keys for popular games.
I'm not sure if they have anything for EVE, as the cd-key is only used online when creating account, but they might be attempting to steal accountnames/passwords..
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Blade Durrant
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Posted - 2004.01.25 13:37:00 -
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Besides server hacking (even TS ones) is still blantaly illegal in most countries (probably all).
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Lion El'Johnson
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Posted - 2004.01.25 13:48:00 -
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I ues mIRC all of the time. It is costantly in the background and have noticed nothing like this. Could it just be your crappy comp dying cos there is too mush %&$ú on the screen :-)
Contact me ingame to discuss anything involving RKK. Also out of game at [email protected].
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nothingnewpod
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Posted - 2004.01.25 14:35:00 -
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note about the ping, and yes you can lag someone with the ip and ping it, but the person who's doing it will lagg aswell you need 2 people to do it with 2 diff ISP
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hazeb
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Posted - 2004.01.25 14:41:00 -
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*cough* third location *cough*
100mbit shell *cough* decent upstream *cough*
Anyone with half a brain can dos anyone else. Its just that 99.999999% of the population of eve aren't total ***** so choose not to do such things.
its the 0.0000001% that always mess things up for the others.
god dam some ppl are such n00bs
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nothingnewpod
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Posted - 2004.01.25 15:41:00 -
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fart amm some people use 56k, fart even DSL dont have the speed
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Villium Ezeart
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Posted - 2004.01.25 16:09:00 -
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Solution: Use private TS server.
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Lockheed
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Posted - 2004.01.25 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Lockheed on 25/01/2004 18:15:17
Edited by: Lockheed on 25/01/2004 18:12:42
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I ues mIRC all of the time. It is costantly in the background and have noticed nothing like this. Could it just be your crappy comp dying cos there is too mush %&$ú on the screen :-)
in mIRC
try a /whois name
that should provide you with simple enough proof. If you dont believe... well go about with your blindfolds on. I wont go further into detail with it.
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hazeb
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Posted - 2004.01.25 19:00:00 -
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You /whois on stratics and you'll get your own hostname back. Host masking what a wonderful thing.
/whois me on another irc server, well you'll get the IP of a server in France, IRC bouncers what a wonderful thing.
Everyone can take action to protect themselves from the few that are willing to take advantage of the inherent lack of security on the inet.
Those that don?t bother are just asking for trouble.
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Kurtz
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Posted - 2004.01.25 19:25:00 -
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As a network engineer in real life for an Internet service provider, I can attest to the fact that DDOS attacks can be very effective, no matter what your upstream bandwidth or hardware configuration, as the DDOS will be clogging the downstream bandwidth to you.
Primitive attacks use pings. These are limited in their effectiveness, as most ISPÆs have rate limit filters on their edges to limit the amount of ICMP traffic to their downstream customers.
The more clever denial of service attacks use TCP SYN attacking on an open port, or UDP floods, or even combinations of ports and protocols, and from multiple/hundreds of sources.
Normally these kinds of DDOS zombie armies are only available to dedicated Internet criminals. However, since the pirate mentality is criminal in nature, I would place higher odds in a pirate character having access to and utilizing this type of attack.
Vouchsafing your IP address is the only real defense you have. The IRC method mentioned is a proven way to locate IP addresses for targets. So if you have not been DDOSÆed and you use IRC, then consider yourself lucky, and insignificant. It takes a bit of effort to pull on of these attacks off, and the attacker stands the chance of getting caught, or at the very least losing portions of his zombie army every time he conducts an attack. So they tend to threaten more than actually assault. Because people like me strongly dislike this form of abuse, and spend considerable time tracing down and carping for sanctions on the sources.
One thing I can attest to is 90 percent of the time that I am called to fight a DDOS on my network, there is an IRC involved. The other 10 percent tends to be individuals who have ****ed somebody off, usually on an IRC.
As for the Team speak service mentioned, I personally have not heard this, but it is within the realms of possibility for someone to eavesdrop a Team speak channel.
And like what was mentioned above, most ôdarksiderö software is chock full of backdoors and hacks into your own system. This is one method that DDOSÆer use to acquire their zombie army, by trojaning the application that conducts other black operations, and installed a remote controlled DDOS application.
Think your safe on the Internet? Think again.
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hazeb
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Posted - 2004.01.25 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: hazeb on 25/01/2004 19:38:15
<Random scary DoS data>
At my old job, major EU backbone and ISP, we where the target of many a DDoS, lots of ppl dont like this company. Once saw a 5.5GByte/sec DDoS against our main www portal. We saw a total outage from our main datacenter and all external UK traffic was stopped.
It wasn't the amount of data that was the problem; it was the amount of packets a second. The hardware we had, which I can say wasn't at all crap, just couldn't take it, used all its CPU time to route traffic and forgot to tell its peers it was there. They then forgot about this router and we dropped off the net.
Was tracked done to one guy with a clone net that had got upset at what someone had said to him on a forum.
Moral of all this, unplug you network cable it?s the only safe method.
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nothingnewpod
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Posted - 2004.01.25 20:16:00 -
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well to fix the ping of death, some router can block these ping/packets
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.01.25 20:35:00 -
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well to fix the ping of death, some router can block these ping/packets
Ping of death is a different type of attack, one which all OS' have immunity now. Back in '95 though is another thing ;)
The type of attacks Hazeb is talking about involve literally thousands of packets per second - sometimes millions or billions. Ping of death involved one Super-Size(tm) packet.
In any case, he's right - best network security comes from an air gap - unplug your network cable :) In absence of that, a good firewall on your local network can do wonders for you.
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will9anthony
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Posted - 2004.01.25 20:46:00 -
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well in any case, youre **** there is no way to be %100 safe
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.01.25 21:05:00 -
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This whole tread should be deleted.
1) It's not game related.
2) When someone said that Evolution messed with the CA teamspeak server, the thread got locked in zero time.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Kurtz
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Posted - 2004.01.25 21:28:00 -
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It takes more than a firewall my friend. Firewalls operate on the network layer. Firewalls can only block traffic based on source and destination addresses and ports. With DDOS, the packet must still be delivered to the firewall, and then discarded by rule set. The packet has accomplished its intention of soaking up bandwidth at a network bottleneck at time of discard. The client connection to the WAN normally is the lowest bandwidth point in any network connection.
A firewall does protect your hosts from known vicious system exploits, notably Microsoft based. But it cannot protect you from the Vampire you let into your home. Once you download something, and install it. You have voided any protection the firewall provides. Often these Trojans come in the form of other applications that perform another criminal action. Such as password and copy protection key-generation programs, or backdoor access programs. There are also numerous sophisticated spyware applications that install through Internet Explorer and Kaaza.
Internet explorer will readily cough up your source IP to a server-based application. A honey pot is created, and people are enticed to visit a web site, perhaps enter some commentary, on an inflammatory topic. You have just given them your IP address, and if you enter a comment, you have associated a person to that IP. Now they have a DDOS target.
A full suite of protection habits starts with not downloading naughty things on your hosts. Using cookie blocking, outbound firewall rules sets, proxies and common sense.
The Internet is just as hostile an environment as EVE is. Scammers and pirates are everywhere.
Oh and Ironically Skillz, it there is some game relationship. CCP servers were DDOSÆed a few months back, (Remember that?) and there is some validity in the discussion that unscrupulous players can use the Internet to manipulate a target game play experience.
The bottom line is if you are going to pick fights with dastardly players expect them to continue that behavior.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.25 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 25/01/2004 21:53:15
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Normally these kinds of DDOS zombie armies are only available to dedicated Internet criminals. However, since the pirate mentality is criminal in nature, I would place higher odds in a pirate character having access to and utilizing this type of attack.
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The bottom line is if you are going to pick fights with dastardly players expect them to continue that behavior.
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You know you really should get smacked for trolling like this. So if a person plays a pirate in a game, they're more likely to have criminal connections? Err....because me avatar has dreadlocks am I more likely to speak with an accent, listen to reggae and believe in Rastafarianism? And considering the facial expressions of some of the Gallente male avatars, do we really want to wander down that particular happy path?
I'd take you to the wall for making prejudicial statements like that. But honestly, you're not worth it.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
will9anthony
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Posted - 2004.01.26 00:42:00 -
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evry time i troll they gag me or delete my post, life sucks doesnt it
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.01.26 01:13:00 -
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Using a 3rd party programme to enhance communication is the player's onw choice.
Thank you for explaining some of the risks, but since it's nothing we can do about and not related to eve or crome and punishment, i have to lock this thread.
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