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Neith
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Posted - 2004.01.25 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Neith on 25/01/2004 22:59:37
I have just bought a scorp,but the choices for picking the right weapons are so many.
i hade this idea for it myself:
2xmegabeam lasers
1x tachyon laser
3xmissile launchers(or 2xlaunchers and 1xsmartbom to deal with missiles)
if u guys can tell me if this setup will work or not??
Please come with other suggestion,i really wanna deal alot of damage....my gunnery and launcher skill are all lev.4 or higher
and if u can give me some suggestion with other mods that can increase damage or increase change of succesfull hits then that would be great.....i know i can find 999999 threads about this topic but i really dont fell that they answear my question correctly.
U guys have to excuse my weak english 
with regards
Neith
btw: i will use this ship for pirating(killing players  )
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.01.25 23:04:00 -
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I'm not the hottest of experts, well I basically suck but still, I'm gonna post anyway.
IF you wanna deal a lot of damage buy another BS, cause you seriously bought the wrong one.
For those high: 2x 1400 and 4x h-50 I'd say, so you can use your cap and cpu/grid on those medslots which is what a scorp is all about.
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.01.25 23:21:00 -
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What GAryius said.
Scorpion is not a damage dealer. Actually, she is the gimpiest battleship around for damage. BUT if you are serious about wanting to do something with it, equip four Neutron Blaster Cannon Is and slap on some power diags in your low slots to accommodate the grid requirements. Go with H-50s in the two remaining high slots.
That's your best bet for damage on a Scorp, but you are really much better kitting for EW or tankage, or getting another ship.
(o ya for long range you will need to use the 1400s or 425s)
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Neith
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Posted - 2004.01.27 11:20:00 -
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thnx guys,i will try it out with different types of loudouts and se how it does..
BN
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.01.27 12:08:00 -
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i liked using 3 1400mms and 3 H-50s.
Doesnt really matter if u cant outdamage a larger BS if u are shield tanked, cause a shield tanked scorp is a GREAT ship. i have never lost a scorp that has been tanked.
train rapid firing to lvl 5, and use 2 counterbalanced mods.
Even though i have tried other BS, and dont fly a scorp the mo, it still is IMHO the best ship in the game ...
d solo.
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NajZero
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Posted - 2004.01.27 12:55:00 -
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Hrhr I always smile when ppl fit 1400 mm Howitzers on a different ship than the tempest or typhoon. In all other ships the howitzers suck because you got no ROF bonus and the Howitzer got very very slow ROF.
Fitting depends on situation and what youre doing with a scorp. If you do only PvP you can fit
4 x Siege Launcher and 2 Neutron Blasters
or
3 x H50 Launcher and 3 Neutron Blasters.
You can varie these setting with 425 mm Railguns but never use 1400 Howitzer on another ship than the tempest or typhoon, this really suck.
And this is same with lasers in PvP. Only use Laser Turrets on an Amarr ship which gives Boni, because if you haven¦t any boni in using Laserturrets your cap runs out faster than you can say "OH" my cap sux.
Cap = Life
if you have no cap left you will die. and with hybrif turrets you have a small boni at least on caldari ships.
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Kamath
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Posted - 2004.01.27 14:08:00 -
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Hi,
If u want close combat fit 4 neutron and 2 launcher h50 or siege or named of this.
If u want long range combat fit 4 425mm and 2 launcher.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.01.27 14:26:00 -
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Hrhr I always smile when ppl fit 1400 mm Howitzers on a different ship than the tempest or typhoon. In all other ships the howitzers suck because you got no ROF bonus and the Howitzer got very very slow ROF.
on caldari ships.
Yeah matey, cause im a noob to PVP, and dont know what im doing .
I can out damage all my corp mates using 1400mm guns on a scorp v scorp, this is against ppl using megas/425mms/tachs.
I can also run my XL boosters and shields for alot longer.
1400mms ROF is crap, but it more than makes up for it in damage.
If u have the skills, u can make ANYTHING good. lvl 5 ROF, large prj lvl 5.
U do what u are good at, thats making those stupid "x" lag creating signs next to gates, and leave ship fittings to us.
so smile at that.
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NajZero
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Posted - 2004.01.27 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: NajZero on 27/01/2004 15:04:46
ok I¦m playing EVE with this account for about 8 months or more. I have 7,2 Mio Skillpoints and can fly all BS of all races and I got all Turrets to lvl 4 and very good combat skills, so i think I can say, that I¦m not a noob in PvP.
I will make an example now.
Ok you have fitted a scorp with 3 Neutron Blaster and another fitted with 3 1400mm.
On the Blasters you got an ROF about 6,8 seconds with non perfectly skills.
On the 1400 you have a ROF about 18 sec at least without the minmatar boni.
A standard Hit with a Neutron makes about 200 Damage with nice skills and anti matter.
And a 1400¦s shot make 300 or 350 but not more.
Ok then show at the ROF and tell me which gun making more damage over time. I can fire my Neutron twice to 3 times more than a 1400 so you have more chance of an critical hit.
It¦s right that you can deal a shot with 800 Damage but this is causing 1:80 shots or something, with the Neutron you can make up to 400 too.
So the Neutron Blaster is dealing most damage over time in EvE and if you don¦t believe me I will you send an excel sheet.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.01.27 15:59:00 -
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Oh great yet another that thinks fights start at 10km distance
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.01.27 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: darth solo on 27/01/2004 16:48:43
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Oh great yet another that thinks fights start at 10km distance
agreed, it just doesnt happen in a BS unless u have mwd, and are using a mega.
also, 18 sec ROF dont think so matey...
also, as most pilots in my PVP corp uses 1400mms now, does that make u smile also?..
U land at a guy 30k away from u, and lets see ur 4 blasters work some magic.
a scorp is not a close range ship.
im sorry if i come across as being forcefull, but im tired off ppl posting smart remarks about ship setups, its a preference thing, no more.
Just because u have skill points doent mean that ur setup is uber and everyone elses is pee.
edit, to JOs post below, whats with the always using """"NO"""" ROF or DMG mods, havnt we been thru this before?, im sure i was 14.7sec when i used the scorp.
u really like going for bare stats dont ya, its all about modules and skills in this game, EVERYTHING is crap without these.
bare stats mean nothing in a PVP fight.
maybe u need to put the pen down and actually fight sometimes.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.27 16:28:00 -
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"also, 18 sec ROF dont think so matey..."
... Unless you are using damage mods, the RoF of 1400's on anything but Minmatar ship, with both Gunnery and Rapid Firing at lvl.5 is 17 seconds. That makes exactly 18 second RoF if you account for the reloading time. -.o
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.01.27 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: NajZero on 27/01/2004 15:04:46
ok I¦m playing EVE with this account for about 8 months or more. I have 7,2 Mio Skillpoints and can fly all BS of all races and I got all Turrets to lvl 4 and very good combat skills, so i think I can say, that I¦m not a noob in PvP.
The ability to fly every Battleship in the game, have 7,2m SP and all combats skills including large turrets IV does not make you good at PvP.
Anyone can in time get that. To be good at PvP you need to live and breathe it, right DBP
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NajZero
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Posted - 2004.01.28 08:12:00 -
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Edited by: NajZero on 28/01/2004 08:14:17
Most PvP is happening at a Gate where lots of BS guarding and the other attacking. If you have no BM the close range BS like Megathron with Blasters and Ravens jumping at 20 or 30km and the Tempests and Apocalypse, Scorpions jumping at 60km in. This is a normal PvP FleetBattle scenario.
So it¦s better for a Mega and Raven to use short range weapons like blasters and for long range in a raven use 425 mm railgun.
With the bonus on optimal range on the caldari ships you will make more damge in a Raven with 425 mm than with a 1400m projectil howitzer.
Look at the ROF.
For example a Apocalypse is making more damage with 6 MegaBeam Lasers than with 5 Tachys and this is fact. The MegaBeam is making more damage over time.
Most ppl making the mistake to look only on the Damage per shot and this is not correct.
You have to do your math in Damage over time and this will be then correct.
So the 425mm railgun is making more damage over time than the 1400mm projectil.
And I¦m using a tanked Raven atm with
5 SiegeLaunchers and 3 250mm dual Railguns. These rails making 100 damage per 4 seconds and they deal the same damage as an 425mm over time but they haven¦t the optimal range and falloff so i like these weapons for close range.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.01.28 12:51:00 -
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"also, 18 sec ROF dont think so matey..."
... Unless you are using damage mods, the RoF of 1400's on anything but Minmatar ship, with both Gunnery and Rapid Firing at lvl.5 is 17 seconds. That makes exactly 18 second RoF if you account for the reloading time. -.o
With RF skill at Level 4 and a Pneumatic Actuator mod, my precise ROF for the 1400s is just over 16 seconds.
I added a crosslateral mod and it fell under 15 seconds. This is with a Raven.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.28 13:43:00 -
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"With RF skill at Level 4 and a Pneumatic Actuator mod, my precise ROF for the 1400s is just over 16 seconds.
I added a crosslateral mod and it fell under 15 seconds. This is with a Raven."
... Yes; i did say "unless you are using damage mods" in that message you're quoting. :s
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