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Wetrich Salmoon	Posted - 2007.07.14 14:20:00 - [1] Hi all, IÆm a noob trying to find his way around this glorious world of EVE. IÆve been getting along well doing the first agent missions, doing some mining and just trying to find my way around. HavenÆt joined a corp yet, I thought I should figure out the basics first, but I am having trouble trying to figure out the market. I donÆt really get how it all works and I canÆt really find a guide or anything on the forums that explains for a noob the details of the market screen and buying and selling, although there is a lot of information about tactics to be a good efficient trader û i'm sure ill make use of these further down the line. Does anyone know of any good guides for explaining the market window? IÆm having trouble deciphering what it all means, for example in the below screenshot what do the buyers shaded in green mean? How can I tell if a buyer is an NPC or a player character? Could I sell a quantity of 1 to a buyer who wants 100 and fulfill just a bit of his buy order? How do I place a buy order? Thanks in advance for any advice, and sorry if these are simple questions, the answer is probably staring me in the face!
Daeva Vios Ardent Adversary Anvil.	Posted - 2007.07.14 14:25:00 - [2] Quote: what do the buyers shaded in green mean? The buy orders shaded in green are orders that cover your current area. Useful for figuring out if you could get a better deal a little further out. Quote: Could I sell a quantity of 1 to a buyer who wants 100 and fulfill just a bit of his buy order? Yes, unless he set a minimum item limit. Quote: How do I place a buy order? By utilizing the handy "Place Buy Order" button between the Sellers and Buyers window on the market panel.
Wetrich Salmoon Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.07.14 14:43:00 - [3] thanks for the reply, just realized i didn't attach the screen shot, but you got what i meant! thats real helpful stuff, stupid me for not seeing the conveniently placed button for placing a buy order!
Valeo Galaem InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.14 15:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Wetrich Salmoon How can I tell if a buyer is an NPC or a player character You can't until after you make the purchase. However, keep in mind that nearly 100% of the market is all players. The only exceptions where is it normally NPC orders are the market categories of Trade Goods, Civilian Equipment, Starbase Structures, Station Components, Skills, and Blueprints (the blue print originals on the market). Thar be Pirates You are not authorised to hack into CONCORD's mainframe Your Wallet has been emptied! CONCORD Encryption Methods
Oriella Trikassi Trikassi Enterprises	Posted - 2007.07.14 18:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Wetrich Salmoon Q: How can I tell if a buyer is an NPC or a player character? A: You can't until after you make the purchase. NPC Corp Orders are always marked as 364 days, but are actually permanent Orders that never expire. The Quafe Corporation never runs out of Quafe, etc. The 'Amount' column for NPCs is the maximum they will Buy/Sell before changing the price to your disadvantage. Pilot orders have a maximum of 90 days. When an Order is modified by a pilot (Daytrading skill) the time reverts to its original setting, effectively renewing it. This is obviously cheaper than letting an unfilled Order run out and then putting in a new one. --- Trikassi Enterprises, oiling the jumpgates of commerce since 2004
Wetrich Salmoon Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.07.14 19:16:00 - [6] thanks guys, that makes a lot of sense. I wonder can anyone tell me the difference between the jumps and the range fields. This was initially self explanatory but i have seen items that have 8 jumps in the jump field and then it says '40 Jumps' in the range field, or it may say 6 jumps in the jump field but 1 jump in the range field. I understand when it says the range is 'region' or what ever, but can't work this one out.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.07.14 19:37:00 - [7] Jumps is how far from your current location to the central station for the buy order. Range is how far the buyer is willing to travel to pick up goods sold to him. If Jumps is less than or equal to range then you can sell to that buyer if minimum quantity is met.
Seytor	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:52:00 - [8] Quote: Goods are ALWAYS purchased from the lowest priced sell order first. If you attempt to buy from a higher priced order, the money will go to the lowest priced seller, and you will get his goods. Does this always apply, or only to goods in the same station. Suppose: Sell Order 1: Itemprize=200 ISK in station A Sell Order 2: Itemprize=250 ISK in station A Sell Order 3: Itemprize=150 ISK in station B Suppose you select to buy from Sell Order 2, do you buy from the person who made Sell Order 1 or from the person who made Sell Order 3 ? And what prize do you pay then ? 150, 250 or 200 ISK ?
Wetrich Salmoon Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Seytor Quote: Goods are ALWAYS purchased from the lowest priced sell order first. If you attempt to buy from a higher priced order, the money will go to the lowest priced seller, and you will get his goods. Does this always apply, or only to goods in the same station. Suppose: Sell Order 1: Itemprize=200 ISK in station A Sell Order 2: Itemprize=250 ISK in station A Sell Order 3: Itemprize=150 ISK in station B Suppose you select to buy from Sell Order 2, do you buy from the person who made Sell Order 1 or from the person who made Sell Order 3 ? And what prize do you pay then ? 150, 250 or 200 ISK ? Good question, i'd like to know this aswell.
Sparkius Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Seytor Quote: Goods are ALWAYS purchased from the lowest priced sell order first. If you attempt to buy from a higher priced order, the money will go to the lowest priced seller, and you will get his goods. Does this always apply, or only to goods in the same station. Suppose: Sell Order 1: Itemprize=200 ISK in station A Sell Order 2: Itemprize=250 ISK in station A Sell Order 3: Itemprize=150 ISK in station B Suppose you select to buy from Sell Order 2, do you buy from the person who made Sell Order 1 or from the person who made Sell Order 3 ? And what prize do you pay then ? 150, 250 or 200 ISK ? You will pay 250 ISK for the item that costs 150 ISK and the seller will get 250 ISK. This is market PvP. <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence." - Anoymous
Mos Superum Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:09:00 - [11] Curious -- are there good station types in which to sell reprocessed materials? Mining corporation stations vs., say, a Caldari Navy Assembly Plant station? Or is it still whatever the buy orders are going for in the region for, say, Tritanium. I find myself just reprocessing a lot of stuff and selling the materials rather than flying around to sell stuff in better systems/stations. I have the sinking feeling, after reading this thread, that this may be costing me a lot of isk. Mos Superum
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.07.17 19:07:00 - [12] Look at the market and see where people are buying what. Location is important. Both mineral and ore prices tend to be higher in the trade hubs than in remote systems. The station type (ie Caldari Navy Assembly Plant) has no direct effect on items that a player traded. They do have an indirect effect: more players run missions for Caldari Navy, so more people have the standings to get free refining at those stations, therefore they will pay more for goods in those stations. It really has nothing to due with the station, but has to do with real peoples motivations for buying. You might be missing out on some ISK by not shipping stuff to the highest priced locations. However, on the other hand, you would be missing out on time that you could be mining, by wasting it on shipping stuff instead. It is up to you to find the best balance to maximize your income. Often you can get a good price if you save up a medium to large volume of ore, and put it up for sale and wait for a buyer.

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