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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.07.14 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Dubious Drewski on 14/07/2007 21:39:21
Are there people out there like me, who feel guilty for playing this game as it should be played?
So I got into a bit of trouble the other day on a module-run to empire:
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Whatever, I'm not here to whine - it's all part of the game (Though the podding was unecessary, you jerks!)
But after this happened, I realized: I could never do this to someone. Once I get the skills and boats that are able to take other people's pride, I don't think I'll be able to get myself to do it.
What I mean is, I worked for hours ratting to earn the iskies for those modules. These guys spent 5 seconds to set up a bubble at a gate. In their shoes, I wouldn't be able to stop myself from thinking "Aww man, what a poor sucker - let's not pod him after all, that just wouldn't be cool"
But it seems the game rewards us for being more agressive vs working hard. I am doomed to be a good-guy.
Anyone else ever felt the pressure of this dilema?
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.14 21:40:00 -
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What exactly is the "proper" way to play EVE?
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Ask Unbeatable
Gallente
HighTech Marines Ltd.
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.14 21:41:00 -
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You dont have to be a nice guy in-game 
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Xtreem
Gallente
Zanex Estates
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Posted - 2007.07.14 21:42:00 -
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i know what u mean, as eve is time intensive with a player built ecom losing large amounts do really hurt people.
but you get used to it, i use eve to be mean in, rather than RL where i have to put up with others:)
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Honest Drew
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Posted - 2007.07.14 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Honest Drew on 14/07/2007 21:49:25
 Originally by: Ask Unbeatable
You dont have to be a nice guy in-game
Of course not. But right now I am very angry and sadenned that I lost all of the fruits of my hard work. It affected me in RL. And If I pirate, it will affect others in RL too and I'll make some other poor ******* feel like crap and want to leave the game for a few days. ;)
There's no way around it!
<edit> Er, I didn't use a bad word there
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MacroDoomer
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Posted - 2007.07.14 21:53:00 -
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I understand where you're coming from, Dubious. I'm also generally a pretty nice person, and part of the reason that I'm a carebear is that I have little interest in depriving people of their time and effort (Unless they're looking for trouble, muahaha). I play EVE that way, and it works well.
EVE is a harsh and unforgiving world, but that doesn't mean that kindness is stamped out from existence. Trust and Karma are very real things, and not abusing that trust and being kind can go a long way in EVE, just like in real life. Thi here in New Eden.
This doesn't mean you have to be naive or gullible - just assume that most players don't have the good intentions you do until proven otherwise.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.14 21:56:00 -
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you will get the cut and paste response that what you are in game is not how these people are in real life but as a proud pirate i can tell you that i am saddistic in real life and all these cut and paste answers are lies
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Carl Bowmore
North Star Networks
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.14 22:06:00 -
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Clearly someone should punish those ebil Cruel Intentions piwates, they had the nerve to shoot at you in 0.0 sec space. Shame on them I say!!!
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kimish
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Posted - 2007.07.14 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
What exactly is the "proper" way to play EVE?
acording to ccp's mechanic and ban list.
be the biggest A-hole you can possible be, BUT don't use any faul languesh ;)
that is the proper way..
yer i have it like you, i got the skills and the ships to be a type O a-hole but i decided not be become one just becouse its the intended play style to **** people off and make there day alot less fun
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kimish
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Posted - 2007.07.14 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem
i know what u mean, as eve is time intensive with a player built ecom losing large amounts do really hurt people.
but you get used to it, i use eve to be mean in, rather than RL where i have to put up with others:)
perfect exsample of how people turn out ingame when they don't have the balls to do anything irl.
what i mean by doing anything in rl is that if you don't let people treat you wrong and step up when you should (even though you sometime will end on the ground for that) then you wouldn't feel any kind of need to be a MAJOR a-hole.
it is not nessasary to overdue it just because game mechanics allow it
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.14 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 14/07/2007 23:04:06
Come to the darkside, or at least give it a chance. Maybe you'll realize how niave it is to think that it's not worth killing even for just the killmail. People who don't shoot easy targets are just ignoring most of their best chances for kills anyways.
Basically shoot it if it moves. Fight it if it resists. And add to your "Pile O' Bones"
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Honest Drew
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Posted - 2007.07.14 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: Honest Drew on 14/07/2007 23:42:47
Originally by: Carl Bowmore
Clearly someone should punish those ebil Cruel Intentions piwates, they had the nerve to shoot at you in 0.0 sec space. Shame on them I say!!!
lol, you've missed the point entirely.
Anyway, I suppose this is where I make like a comicbook hero and declare that I will "Fight the tyrannical pirates of Eve and defend the innocent!" - and all that jazz.
I could make gatecamp crashing a career or something. THAT could be fun.
<edit> and almost completely guilt-free! Pod-killers have it coming to them!
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Stakhanov
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.14 23:45:00 -
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It's a matter of perspective. How do you think that gangsters cope with killing people ? They just don't think about it. Or they trivialize it and laugh about it , and pretend it's the victim's own fault. It sounds horrible , and (depending on the situation) may feel horrible when you first kill someone. Then you kill another , then some more , and soon enough killing has no negative impact on you.
No , I'm not a gangster in real life  but I think it's similar to being a pirate. Killing is a process that changes your behavior , perspective and empathy completely. You no longer care about how much others suffer - your heart is shielded from the evil of your actions (WTB Dark Blood Heart Hardener  ) and actually , causing others grief feels like good innocent fun. Kublai explains it best :
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Well excuse me for existing, sadistic bastards are people too you know.
Evil to me is like a lovely spring flower, it looks nice, it smells nice and it puts a smile on my face and spreads warmth troughout my body.
I'm not into death metall, heavy metall, slasher movies, horror movies, kicking kittens.
I like the beatles, cats, art, flowers, good books and pretty girls/boys (hey, why limit yourself?).
You see cruelty as sickening, dark and sinister, I see it as bright, light hearted and enjoyable, it makes me giggle on a warm spring day.
I see carebearing and caring in general as ignorant, self deceptive and limiting.
We're different, and just because I would laugh if you got killed in a car accident tomorrow, that does not mean my opinions arent valid or ok.
And no, i'm not kidding, I really do like flowers, the yellow buttercups are my favourite.
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Honest Drew
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Posted - 2007.07.14 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov
Kublai explains it best :
What an interesting perspective lol. See I just don't - can't - think that way. And it's not a matter of "having the balls" to hurt an innocent - it's much more complex than that. I do, in fact, have the cajones to engage an innocent, kill and pod him. The thing is, I don't want to. In Rl or in a virtual world, I'm just too damned benevolent.
But like I said, I'd happily deprive an "evil" person of his ship if I had the opportunity.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.15 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov
It's a matter of perspective. How do you think that gangsters cope with killing people ? They just don't think about it. Or they trivialize it and laugh about it , and pretend it's the victim's own fault. It sounds horrible , and (depending on the situation) may feel horrible when you first kill someone. Then you kill another , then some more , and soon enough killing has no negative impact on you.
No , I'm not a gangster in real life but I think it's similar to being a pirate. Killing is a process that changes your behavior , perspective and empathy completely. You no longer care about how much others suffer - your heart is shielded from the evil of your actions (WTB Dark Blood Heart Hardener ) and actually , causing others grief feels like good innocent fun. Kublai explains it best :
Quote:
Well excuse me for existing, sadistic bastards are people too you know.
Evil to me is like a lovely spring flower, it looks nice, it smells nice and it puts a smile on my face and spreads warmth troughout my body.
I'm not into death metall, heavy metall, slasher movies, horror movies, kicking kittens.
I like the beatles, cats, art, flowers, good books and pretty girls/boys (hey, why limit yourself?).
You see cruelty as sickening, dark and sinister, I see it as bright, light hearted and enjoyable, it makes me giggle on a warm spring day.
I see carebearing and caring in general as ignorant, self deceptive and limiting.
We're different, and just because I would laugh if you got killed in a car accident tomorrow, that does not mean my opinions arent valid or ok.
And no, i'm not kidding, I really do like flowers, the yellow buttercups are my favourite.
as i stated we really are that messed in real life
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Jaikar Isillia
The Vinlanders
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.15 00:02:00 -
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Eve is just another game. All the games I have revolve around killing people however EVE differentiates itself because when you die you actually suffer because of the lost time/money that just doesn't present itself with other games. You get blown up in Command & Conquer and you're not too happy but you're not to the point of EVE where given the chance you'd happily repeatedly punch the person who blew you up, nose into his brain and hope he dies.
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Sunabi
Caldari
Defiance Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.15 00:06:00 -
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Once upon a time when I was running missions 24/7 I made a pirate alt to try out the darkside. After a couple of days training I went out into Caldari lowsec in a Rifter and went hunting. My second or third kill was a Caracal (just frigates before that) who was only a week or so old. I got a mountain of smack in local and a frothingly offensive smacky all-caps EVE-mail.
I felt so bad for the poor guy, because it had obviously upset him in real life. I replied, telling him that lowsec was dangerous for new players and gave him some tips, and sent him a few million ISK to cover his losses. He never logged on after that, though.
After that kill I could only bring myself to shoot people into structure for fun instead of killing them . Of course I have no problem killing people in 0.0 () but I'm pretty sure I couldn't bring myself to do piracy again.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.07.15 00:15:00 -
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Aww damnit - I was posting as my alt that whole time. Well both the Drews here are me, ok everyone?
Sunabi: yeah that's exactly the kind of situation that would make me feel terrible.
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 00:38:00 -
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To be fair they had no idea that you were hauling such valuable stuff, and if you were guarding what you believe to be "your" space and you blew up a neutral frigate that was hauling loads of T2, wouldn't you keep it and be damn happy with that result?
Slightly off topic, you could easily have avoided that loss.
Instead of having the cap battery and multispec ECM, you should always fit a mwd for travelling in 0.0
When you jumped and found yourself in the bubble you should have just mwd'd back to the gate and escaped, you paid a harsh price to learn that lesson, but that’s Eve.
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group
Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.07.15 00:39:00 -
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invariably, "nice guys" in eve get called carebears and told they're not cool and not hardcore etc etc.
It boils down to it being easier to be an ******* abd just shoot the hell out of someone than actually step back and say "hey, this guy is just ratting around not hurting anyone".
What annoys me is that people get all into this half-assed crap. Pirating (pure piracy) is cool, defending the weak etc is cool. But half assed piracy / defending just the people you know and like or picking on some but not others, that's just lazy and rubbish way to play.
It is like school yard bullying culture, since there is not "You vs. You" in set teams, you just pick on the weak and make friends with the stronger or those you cba to fight.
If Eve is in sandbox mode, then it isn't realistic. IRL we ahve governments and societies that generally band together and prevent these sorts of things happening.
There isn't really a low sec equivelant in the modern world, or if there is it is what most ppl would consider anarchy or civil war
I'm referring mostly to low sec because even in 0.0, people band together and in large numbers and actually police themselves. 0.0 is tribalism, it is the hordes of BoB/Mongols sweeping across the steppe. The pirates only linger around the edges or feed on weakened alliances
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StealthRavenx
Caldari
Red Dwarf Mining Corps
5th Column
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Posted - 2007.07.15 00:40:00 -
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Eve's about PvP, get over it. You were in their space, and you were punished. End of. We've all had it happen to us. Just because someone pirates, it doesn't make them a bad guy, it's just the way they choose to play the game. It's a matter of perspective really.
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N Re
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Posted - 2007.07.15 00:47:00 -
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Edited by: N Re on 15/07/2007 00:48:10
if they are playing eve as it should be played - imho - by flying a ship they can afford to lose, then nobody gets irate. I can see how easy it would be to lose everything in a game like this by getting a cyber-ego/epeen/whatever by loading up on really expensive mods when you just don't have the skill or experience to use them. it's like that in all mmo's.
i guess some players see their ships/avatars as things to be made uber, with all the best mods and weapons, and others see their ships and fittings as tools to be used and ultimately expended when the time comes, whilst taking the only thing that is truely real from an mmo, FUN!!
As a new player to eve (not even left my trial) i hope to become one of the later 8) if you see me about, shoot the frack out of me, i need the experience 
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Lunarmist
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Posted - 2007.07.15 00:51:00 -
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There is no "moral" in Eve. The only thing that matter is to stay alive and kill as many as possible. If you take moral high ground, most likely you will die first. Those who kills will not care if you held your honer code to the end. It is kill or be killed. You don't have to worry about how others think really. Just as long as you have met your goal then it is all good. This is the cold reality in Eve. Moral value means nothing at all in this game.
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Kitarie II
RED SQUAD
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Posted - 2007.07.15 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Honest Drew
Edited by: Honest Drew on 14/07/2007 21:49:25
Originally by: Ask Unbeatable
stuff
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It affected me in RL.
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<edit> Er, I didn't use a bad word there
Mate then you have a serious problem. If a video game dictates you how you feel in RL, I suggest you stop playing.
I got blow up tons of times, lost my +4 implant training clone (back when they were expensive) in 0.0 because I was travelling without a scout, but from all of these experiences I learned certain things.
E.g. if you fly through low sec without a scout it is your own fault when you get wtfpwned and wtfpodded. Secondly, EVE is a platform to be who you wanna be and if some persons want to be pirates then you let them be pirates and have to work around that somehow.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.07.15 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kitarie II
Mate then you have a serious problem. If a video game dictates you how you feel in RL, I suggest you stop playing.
You've been caught in a logic loop. If I don't allow this game to affect how I feel in RL, then this game would cease to be fun.
In fact, if I let this game turn me into an emotionless zombie THEN I would have to stop playing for my own good! You see?
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Gealbhan
Caldari
The SAS
The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2007.07.15 01:06:00 -
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Dust yourself off, get back on the horse & learn PvP.
That's the best solution, if they're kicking you - Kick Them Back!
Twice as hard is ok 
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RazorCRO
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.15 01:08:00 -
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Playing Eve cant get more proper than this...pos the ship, pop the pod!
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.07.15 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: StealthRavenx
Eve's about PvP, get over it. You were in their space, and you were punished. End of. We've all had it happen to us.
You have also missed the point. This isn't about my death. I understand why I lost my things. I'm not looking for reconciliation.
I'm talking about the hypothetical situation where I am in the aggressor's shoes - and how I would feel about it. Read the OP once more.
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StealthRavenx
Caldari
Red Dwarf Mining Corps
5th Column
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Posted - 2007.07.15 01:12:00 -
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Ok, that said. I would pop you. I feel no remorse. I will pod you too. You were in my space. I would expect only the same to me.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.07.15 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Dubious Drewski on 15/07/2007 01:22:49
Originally by: StealthRavenx
Ok, that said. I would pop you. I feel no remorse. I will pod you too. You were in my space. I would expect only the same to me.
I agree with you. But defending against neutrals snooping in your space and specifically setting up a gatecamp with a bubble to catch people travelling to empire are slightly different things.
<edit> alot of you are missing the point. The topic is: killing and podding innocent players. Defending you space is a whole different animal and I have NO problems doing that!
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