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Ashen Angel
Minmatar Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.07.16 23:48:00 -
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I am thinking about making a few runs into .4 and lower areas in order to get some minerals I need to get my next couple of ships built. (or make a bit of profit on some to buy the harder to get ones)
I am thinking of a semi-disposable scythe config:
3 miner 1s 2 missile launchers (likely standard) 3 expanded cargo hold 1 10 min after burner small shield booster
will likley use a drone and missiles appropriate for the local rats.
i went with the cargo over warp stabs due to the mass of the ores i will be looking for. cap recharger 1
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.16 23:54:00 -
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I would suggest to mine constantly in empire with a good mining ship (barge or mining bonus cruiser). In the end, you will make more money than mining in lowsec (if you go for akonor in 0.0 it might be different).
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.07.17 00:09:00 -
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well I can spare one or two of these if I can get a decent amount of the minerals I need to have a better ship built at near manufacturing cost (if I supply the minerals)
The high sec stuff is no problem, the hard part is the stuff in the -.4 to 0.0 space
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.17 00:13:00 -
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Well you dont need to search your own highend minerals.. you can sell lots of low minerals to buy the stuff you need. This way you will have your better ship a lot faster than going to lowsec on your own and try to ninjamine it
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.07.17 01:17:00 -
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point, may still modify that rig for when I don't have a hauler helping or solo mining and not willing to risk jetcans.
It's a modification of my std one with 3 gaussans, 2 std missile launchers, small shield booster (rarely needed) 2 cap rechargers, 3 expanded cargo hold 1
Still a low skill character, so not much I can do fittig wise at the moment (training up learning and slowly to industial 4 so I can use a mammoth)
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Jonny Magellan
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Posted - 2007.07.17 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Benn Helmsman Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 17/07/2007 00:14:54 Well you dont need to search your own highend minerals.. you can sell lots of low minerals to buy the stuff you need. This way you will have your better ship a lot faster than going to lowsec on your own and try to ninjamine it
Edit:
http://eve.grismar.net/ore/
Here you can see the small diference in worth of low sec minerals, the mineral prices above arent pretty up to date, so fill in newer ones.
Let him have his fun you meanie He could be working 1 extra hour at whatever job he has and get say 10bucks and buy isk online if he wanted to be efficient.
I dont have a scythe and I am just a noob too but if you have the chance try :
H:3 miner 2empty M:1 small shield booster 2cap rechargers L:Warp core stab, Inertia stab and a expanded cargohold.
Can run the shield booster all the time. I think its enough to tank most rat spawns in low sec. Only one warp stab because 2 dont fit and since you shouldnt be mining at warp in point it is enough against the 20km warp disruptor. Just bookmark your mining position at like 25km from warp in. The inertia stab gets you aligned fast once a pirate comes in.
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Stakhanov
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.17 02:55:00 -
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If evading pirates is your thing , just fit 3 stabs - keep in mind that angel hijackers will web and scramble you. But you might as well use a burst and warp out whenever rats spawn , its cost is insignificant compared to the scythe.
If you really mean to mine better ores , your best bet is to use exploration probes to find hidden belts first. I have no idea what kind of rats spawn there , but you are unlikely to die to pirates , they will have to probe you up close to find you (I once tried to probe a mining op in a hidden belt with recon probes , and didn't get any result before they had depleted it )
If you want to practice your ninja mining skills in real conditions , be sure to come to Rancer
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Lili Lu
Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships
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Posted - 2007.07.17 04:09:00 -
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probably not what you want to hear, but forget the scythe. big time cpu problems and is that a drone bay or a joke. i fly minmatar and amarr so i say this from experience. the scythe is the worst mining cruiser of all the races. train a vexor, arbitrator, or osprey. you will do better in one of those.
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RuriHoshino
Minmatar The Mission Guys
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Posted - 2007.07.17 04:09:00 -
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Good god how the Scythe is ugly. I mean it. It looks like a demented metal Santa Claus riding behind his severly deformed Rudolf. Just, eesh.
I tried mining in it once with a similar setup, 3 miners and 2 standard launchers. I had a hard time killing 0.5 rats before they wore down my shields. And what's your maximum cargohold space? 600? 800? How much of this ore will you be hauling back, how far into lowsec are you willing to go, how many trips to a station do you think you could stand before you went nuts? That cargo bay, no matter how big you can get it, will fill up in a matter of minutes. A frigate will get you even less, and will have no way to tank or kill any rat it comes across.
I dunno, it's fun as a trucksperiment, but I think it's always a losing proposition, especially when you factor in the likelihood of being asploded in lowsec. Try it, though. You might find a way to make it worth your time, and good luck. _
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.07.17 04:30:00 -
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Edited by: Ashen Angel on 17/07/2007 04:32:21 What I am looking at is a ship I don't mind risking (hence the cheaper modules) for a few solo excursions as needed to get a full cargo or two to acquire minerals to get a ship made. Don't need much, but figure I can get enough out of .3+ space to either fill my needs or finance the ones I need.
right now I can afford to lose one or two since the insurance can cover the cost of the ship and most of the modules (if not a little more if I shop well enough).
Reason for the expanded is it boosts the bay to about 750m3 which allows for a full batch of most of what i will be mining.
As for the scythe as a ship, haven't had any real problems solo mining in 0.5+ space. Picking a decent drone and missiles based on the rats in the local area. Rarely have to use my shield booster in 0.6+ unless a dread gurista and his support shows up but even then between the missiles and drone I walk away with a few looted wrecks.
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Lrrp
Minmatar Gallente Mercantile Exchange
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Posted - 2007.07.17 13:59:00 -
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I think you would be further ahead to start doing missions and reprocessing the loot from the wrecks.
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.07.17 15:03:00 -
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you should if you want to have a small chance of escaping get yourself a Warp Core Stabilizer - and be prepared to warp away from belts
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Christopher Dalran
Gallente Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.17 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 17/07/2007 19:19:51
About hidden belts, they used to be great places to mine at because they were deadspace locations. Because they were deadspace locations they were:
1)Extremely difficult to scan people down inside them (much easier to scan for the site with exploration probes and find them that way)
2)Everyone had to warp to the same warp in spot so you would easily have an 80km+ buffer zone attackers needed to cross (without the use of an MWD) that gave you plenty of time to escape and also allowed you to create ambuses for pirates at these warp in spots.
However most people just kept complaining about having to fly their haulers 80k + to pickup miners jet cans that CCP just went ahead and made the hidden belts non-deadspace. Its almoast as if nobody bothered to realize that a single Destroyer with a good AB and speed mods could fit a ton of tractor beams and quickly tractor 4 or so canisers at a time back to the warp in point for pickup.
Hidden asteroid belts are nolonger very safe, you can now be scanned down just as easily as if you were in a safespot and they can warp in at 0m.
Everytime carebears whine and want things easier they just make it easier for pirates to catch them, when will they learn. Those jerk offs cost me the best possible ambush spots for pirates so i guess I'll have to switch to killing miners so give yourselves a pat on the back. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
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6Bagheera9
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.17 19:29:00 -
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Don't bother mining in <0.5 unless you have friends to protect you or the system is practically deserted 23/7. You also NEED miner IIs to make any sort of isk with non-barge. In regards to high-sec, I'm under the impression that you need near max skills to make any sort of money off the low ends. Mission running with a dedicated looting ship in tow is a much easier way to make isk and stockpile some mins for cruisers and such.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.07.17 20:28:00 -
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You know, we have this thing called a "market" where you can sell stuff like tritanium and buy stuff like zydrine.
Instead of wasting time going to and fro "ninja mining" a couple of ores containing some trace amount of higher tier minerals, better spend the same amount of time safely mining in highsec A LOT MORE ore containing lower tier minerals, selling some of those and buying whatever it is you're missing. Overall, you're better off, even if you DON'T ever get popped in lowsec.
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.07.18 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T You know, we have this thing called a "market" where you can sell stuff like tritanium and buy stuff like zydrine.
Instead of wasting time going to and fro "ninja mining" a couple of ores containing some trace amount of higher tier minerals, better spend the same amount of time safely mining in highsec A LOT MORE ore containing lower tier minerals, selling some of those and buying whatever it is you're missing. Overall, you're better off, even if you DON'T ever get popped in lowsec.
I can afford to outright buy the ships I want, so isk isn't the issue...
I just want a bit of adrenaline while training up my learning skills some more and getting my combat skills and mining skills to decent levels
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.07.18 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ashen Angel I can afford to outright buy the ships I want, so isk isn't the issue... I just want a bit of adrenaline while training up my learning skills some more and getting my combat skills and mining skills to decent levels
Ah, then you should have probably said so from the very beginning then This changes everything
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Nian Banks
Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2007.07.18 04:44:00 -
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has anyone ever tried to use scythes as bait? The mandatory ofcourse would be a mining laser but after that, how would we fit this to survive and tackle?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.07.18 06:30:00 -
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1 lowest-fitings-required mining laser (less than 0.2 cap/sec average drain) 2 standard launchers (or even rockets), 2 ACs... just token weapons to be honest 2x LSE, 20km scram or just 3x LSE 3x SPR
At max cap skills it's around 4.6 cap/sec peak recharge. Should be able to run the scram long enough, hope there's no enemy NOS involved. Heck, fit some NOS yourself maybe instead of some other weapons ? Harder with 3 LSE, but with 2 LSE it's easy, even a med NOS should fit.
At max shield skills and 5% gnome implanted, and all T2 gear shield alone is either 8k-ish with 2 LSE and unrigged, or 13k-ish with 3 LSE and a single extender rig, recharge in 390 sec (unrigged) or 250 sec (2 purger rigs). That's 50-ish shield/sec peak recharge (not THAT hot considering the base resists) completely unrigged... or 130-ish shield/sec peak recharge with 1 extender and 2 purgers (still not great, but at least a bit surprising for a SCYTHE).
Heck, the raw hitpoints of the shield alone should be pretty confusing for a ship that's APPARENTLY mining, and the recharge rate should be even more surprising (nobody assumes you're mining WITH SPRs fited).
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