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Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:35:00 - [31] The Passing of TES Truthseeker I entered my pod last sunday to find the PIE battlegroup was already in Heimatar. I resigned myself to defending Amarr. I patrolled the system in my Arbitrator-class cruiser and encountered terrorists flying a Purifier and a Crow. Both seemed determined to stay far away from danger, only launching the occasional ineffectual barrage of missiles at my ship. Advance elements of the PIE battlegroup returned to Amarr and several pilots retired for the day, among them our excellent scout, Lt. Miranor. That made me decided to board the TES Truthseeker, my Pilgrim-class Recon vessel and aid my brothers with locating hostiles. The crew of the TES Truthseeker greeted me warmly, eager to defend the Empire. Only two weeks ago we had celebrated the ship's sixth' month of service in the fleet. The Purifier did not show itself again, but I did manage to get within 11km of the Crow flown by terrorist Paddington, but was unable to engage him and chose to remain cloaked. Several uneventful encounters in Sarum Prime with the agile terrorists prompted fleet command to request a change of ships to smaller and more agile vessels. Admiral Lok'ri was returning in his Crusader-class interceptor when he encountered a Dominix-class battleship at the gate. The order was given to annihilate the Gallente monstrosity, and I soon found myself engaged with it. The Domi buckled quickly in response to our concentrated fire but moments later my HUD stuttered and bright red alerts went off: a large fleet of ships had come out of warp right on top of us! When my on-board computer had recovered sufficiently I noticed the tell-tale sign of active webbing modules around my vessel. I quickly identified the opposition, no less than six enemy vessels had actively engaged me. A Typhoon, Hyperion, Hurricane, two Huginn-class vessels and a Caracal. I ordered my crew to target the battleships first with tracking disruptors, unfortunately my HUD displayed unusually long locking times, not only was I webbed and scrambled, but had been dampened as well! Given the fact that the enemy fleet outnumbered our fleet by more than 2 to 1 and a large portion of the enemy firepower concentrated on the TES Truthseeker, the ship would not survive the combat intact. That made me determined to buy my brothers as much time as I could. I activated my tracking disruptors, directed my NOS at one of the Huginn's and slammed on the afterburner. Drones, missiles and gunfire shook the hull, but the Carthum armor proved strong, and 30 seconds after the first impact my vessel was still intact. A fiery explosion startled me: 'Crow down, enemy down, hail Admiral Lok'ri!' my scanner crew reported. Even outnumbered, the first kill was ours! Thirty more seconds passed and the red warning signals on my HUD multiplied tenfold, but the TES Truthseeker remained intact. Two more bright explosions flashed by in rapid succession signaling the destruction of two other ships. My thought went out to brave Lord Kador, or perhaps vice-admiral Blake succumbing to superior enemy firepower. Then my crew yelled at me: 'Both Huginns down sir, repeat Huginns are down! All friendlies alive!' The webbing around my ship disappeared and my mobility increased. I was amazed, had God decided to intervene and crush the terrorists? I was rudely pulled from my hopeful reverie by my chief engineer, who reported that the capacitor was running low despite the three nosferatu's and he needed to offline the repairer unit. Only then did I notice a regroup order had been given, but with my ship still scrambled I was unable to comply. Moment after my capacitor died, my nosferatu's and tracking disruptors went offline as well as enemy jammers finally defeated the Pilgrim's superior sensor suite. Then, nearly two minutes after the first shot was fired, my HUD briefly blacked out as the pod failsafes activated and ejected me into space moments before TES Truthseeker disintegrated. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.17 18:53:00 - [32] No, but PIE like others claim to represent the Empire and its values, don't they? Tell me, what is the difference betwen Amarr Navy raiding Republic space and Amarr paramilitaries backed up by the Empire raiding Republic space. Wake up, EM, there is a war going on, wether it has been declared or not. The Republic has chosen to ignore that. It has chosen not to protect its people in the border regions. Until Midular opens her eyes to the obvious we will have to step in and be the shield for our people. You have done well in the battle described, I salute you to that. Yet I think that instead of fleets from EM and UK it should have been the Republican Navy that should have sent them home bleeding. The Minmatar Republic is first and foremost Matari. It fails when it is not able to protect its people from such intrusion. It is time to take up the sword and put a line to the slavers and their allies. my personal views, not necessarily that of my alliance
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.17 19:05:00 - [33] Originally by: Kabajashi San No, but PIE like others claim to represent the Empire and its values, don't they? Tell me, what is the difference betwen Amarr Navy raiding Republic space and Amarr paramilitaries backed up by the Empire raiding Republic space. Wake up, EM, there is a war going on, wether it has been declared or not. The Republic has chosen to ignore that. It has chosen not to protect its people in the border regions. Until Midular opens her eyes to the obvious we will have to step in and be the shield for our people. You have done well in the battle described, I salute you to that. Yet I think that instead of fleets from EM and UK it should have been the Republican Navy that should have sent them home bleeding. The Minmatar Republic is first and foremost Matari. It fails when it is not able to protect its people from such intrusion. It is time to take up the sword and put a line to the slavers and their allies. my personal views, not necessarily that of my alliance The thing that you are ignoring is that when PIE goes into Republic-occupied space, we only actively seek out war targets. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.17 19:10:00 - [34] Originally by: Kabajashi San No, but PIE like others claim to represent the Empire and its values, don't they? Tell me, what is the difference betwen Amarr Navy raiding Republic space and Amarr paramilitaries backed up by the Empire raiding Republic space. Wake up, EM, there is a war going on, wether it has been declared or not. The Republic has chosen to ignore that. It has chosen not to protect its people in the border regions. Until Midular opens her eyes to the obvious we will have to step in and be the shield for our people. You have done well in the battle described, I salute you to that. Yet I think that instead of fleets from EM and UK it should have been the Republican Navy that should have sent them home bleeding. The Minmatar Republic is first and foremost Matari. It fails when it is not able to protect its people from such intrusion. It is time to take up the sword and put a line to the slavers and their allies. my personal views, not necessarily that of my alliance By your logic the Amarr empire would be justified in attacking the republic due to acts of terrorism against it. Lucky for the republic things do not work how you say they do. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.17 19:33:00 - [35] Reash, the difference is that neither UK nor EM (I suppose it is these organizations that you call terrorists) claim to represent the Republic nor have any connection to its government while PIE and others are actively supported by the Emperor and fly and fight in his name. Rodj, you spoke of "patrols". There is a difference betwen engaging an intruder in own terretory and chasing him into enemy territory (as EM did) and entering enemy territory unprovoked on the search for whatever targets you call "terrorist". The correct way would be to approach Republic officials, to state a claim against said individual and wait for the criminal justice system of the Republic to fulfill its duty and investigate your claims. As a member of the UK I unfortunately have no access to the official channels of the Republic. I hereby ask those loyal to the Republican government to bring forward to the parliament the following questions: 1. Is the government aware of the fact, that Amarrian paramilitaries are entering Republican space unprovoked on a regular basis and attacking citizens of the Republic in Republic space without contacting the Republican criminal justice system? 2. If so, what actions will the government take to protect the rights of its citizens and to insure a fair trial for these citizens before Republican courts? I would appreciate if any of the deputees of the tribes will raise his voice and arise these questions before the high chamber.
3ll3 Gallente Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.17 20:42:00 - [36] Edited by: 3ll3 on 17/07/2007 20:42:07 We came! We saw! We kicked PIE! You ran away like frightened school children and still got your rear's handed to you when we came after you, you where beaten fair and square and all the whining and posturing is not going to change this Verus Amare Vinceres Omnis
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.17 21:25:00 - [37] Originally by: Kabajashi San Tell me, what is the difference betwen Amarr Navy raiding Republic space and Amarr paramilitaries backed up by the Empire raiding Republic space. The difference is clearly outlined in the Yulai Convention you so ignorantly claim is being violated. A CONCORD sanctioned war is fair shooting anywhere, and the involved parties are paying their dues. But I think you know this, slave-kin. Let the battle report stand as reported, eh?
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.17 21:28:00 - [38] In addition to CONCORD laws, those who call themselves loyal, are, or should be, bound the laws, treaties, and agreements of their respective nations. A war can in that sense be illegal, even if it is sanctioned by the CONCORD bureaucracy. The declarations by Amarr paramilitaries against EM make a text-book example. Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient, Asst XO EM, alliance diplomat -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. "When pirates hate your guts, you know you are doing something right."
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.17 21:30:00 - [39] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon The declarations by Amarr paramilitaries against EM make a text-book example. Do explain, Ms Rhiannon.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.17 21:46:00 - [40] I have, repeatedly, Mr. Garreck. To recap, the declarations are allegedly to enable the hunt for the parties guilty for certain criminal actions. Should the Amarr loyalist parties fight these wars only in the Empire, they might be considered to be within the boundaries of law. However, without a sanction from a local court of law, they have no to enforce their justice in Republic space. With the shaky evidence offered, it is of course extremely unlikely that either case would stand in the Republic, as opposed to the Empire, where the anti-Minmatar religious propaganda is there to sway justice. And of course, the Amarr loyalist parties know this, but they also know that the governments are unlikely to interfere with CONCORD wars, out of fear of further increasing international tensions. And so it goes; they bring us a fight, and we take it back to them. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. "When pirates hate your guts, you know you are doing something right."
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.17 21:52:00 - [41] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon To recap, the declarations are allegedly to enable the hunt for the parties guilty for certain criminal actions. Should the Amarr loyalist parties fight these wars only in the Empire, they might be considered to be within the boundaries of law. However, without a sanction from a local court of law, they have no to enforce their justice in Republic space. Maintaining some objectivity, (ie, forgetting that I personally am convinced by the evidence presented by PIE against EM,) I feel that a war of "misunderstanding" is no less legal than any other CONCORD sanctioned war. And the very idea that a zealous soldier of Amarr would need to ask for permission or recieve "sanction" from a slave-kin to exercise God's Justice against terrorists is, of course, laughable.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.17 21:54:00 - [42] Originally by: Garreck Maintaining some objectivity, (ie, forgetting that I personally am convinced by the evidence presented by PIE against EM,) I feel that a war of "misunderstanding" is no less legal than any other CONCORD sanctioned war. And that, Mr Garreck, is the difference between you and a loyalist. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. "When pirates hate your guts, you know you are doing something right."
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.17 21:56:00 - [43] The Lord saw to it that the sacred bricks did not end up in the posession of subhumans, and so they were destroyed along with TES Fidem. You may stop your bartering and fawning now, it is pathetic. ----------------------------------------------
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Rho Dynamics Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.17 21:57:00 - [44] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon To recap, the declarations are allegedly to enable the hunt for the parties guilty for certain criminal actions. Should the Amarr loyalist parties fight these wars only in the Empire, they might be considered to be within the boundaries of law. However, without a sanction from a local court of law, they have no to enforce their justice in Republic space. Maintaining some objectivity, (ie, forgetting that I personally am convinced by the evidence presented by PIE against EM,) I feel that a war of "misunderstanding" is no less legal than any other CONCORD sanctioned war. And the very idea that a zealous soldier of Amarr would need to ask for permission or recieve "sanction" from a slave-kin to exercise God's Justice against terrorists is, of course, laughable. Uh huh, when the Minmatar wage war it's "terrorism" when the Amarr do it it's "God's Justice"; I love the smell of double standards in the morning. ----------------------------- Naturally my views are my own as I'm not my alliance's spokesman, ect.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.17 21:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon And that, Mr Garreck, is the difference between you and a loyalist. I must have missed something entirely, and I've a feeling that getting back up to speed on it here and now would only serve to further derail this discussion.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.17 22:00:00 - [46] Originally by: Agustus Caesar Uh huh, when the Minmatar wage war it's "terrorism" when the Amarr do it it's "God's Justice"; I love the smell of double standards in the morning. I've never called a pilot a terrorist for shooting at war enemies, and Ushra'Khan and Electus Matari are not terrorists specifically for their wars with the paramilitaries. Rather, their actions against unsanctioned targets for political reasons have earned them the label. You would do well to ask for my take on such topics before putting double standards in my mouth.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.18 04:29:00 - [47] As I indicated in my previous report on the Battle at the gate several weeks ago the terrorists are cunning and resourceful and have found a way to adapt to the tactics of the Amarrian loyalists. They have proven themselves an enemy not to be underestimated and I for one will not make the mistake of considering them "dead" or "defeated" by any means. The Electus Matari, UshraKhan and other terrorist organizations are a stain upon humanity and must be stomped out. The gates of the camps are waiting to open to bring you all into the service of God and Empire. Your resistence to the inevidible fact that you will be subjegated is incomprehensible at the least. Still one can not fail to acknowledge they were successful in destroying several vessels including a NAVY AUGROR! This travesty must not go unpunished and the warriors of PIE and Amarr will return soon to pay you another visit. Pray to your heathen Gods you are as fortunate as you were this day for the God of Amarr will not offer you the same solace. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.18 06:08:00 - [48] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 18/07/2007 06:09:24 It warms my heart to know that our enemies consider a victory to be when a force outnumbering their enemy 3 to one loses twice as much as they kill in raw ship numbers and more on the lines of eight times the number in crew. I am perfectly willing to trade 8 terrorist lives for every Amarrian one we lose. Though I must say that if you continue to rally such fleets we will be entering a new, and more interesting, phase of this war. Elsebeth: The reason for the war. Please cease your spinning to make PIE the aggressor here, trying to turn black into white is rather unbecoming. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.18 07:57:00 - [49] Mr. Lok'ri, I know the history, thank you very much. It is just that a mind not clouded with religious indoctrination -- or with a political agenda disguised as as piety -- comes to very different conclusion from the facts given. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. "When pirates hate your guts, you know you are doing something right."
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.18 08:24:00 - [50] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 18/07/2007 08:25:17 Evanda and Meklon joined Fimbulwinter in murdering ships in Amarrian space based on proof not solid enough to present publicly. Please explain how this could possibly not be considered an act of war? You then in the same thread as boasts about destroying Amarr navy vessels in Amarr space tell us our war against you is unwarranted and illegal and that you really are loyal to the republic's peace agenda. You cry about how evil our raids against you are... yet you ignore the fact that on our raids not a single Republic vessel has been destroyed while on yours multiple Amarrian ships were destroyed. Of course, I am just a religious fanatic, aren't I. So I guess simple facts like the above are irrelevant. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.18 09:11:00 - [51] From the evidence presented to me, I have no reason to doubt that the ships destroyed by Electus Matari in Amarr space were indeed carrying Republic citizens who needed immediate rescue. As to boasting by pilots about doing the hard things that are necessary -- I agree it might not be tasteful, but it is hardly a reason for war. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.18 09:18:00 - [52] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon From the evidence presented to me, I have no reason to doubt that the ships destroyed by Electus Matari in Amarr space were indeed carrying Republic citizens who needed immediate rescue. So you say. Yet this so-called evidence has yet to be presented for public scrutiny. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.18 10:09:00 - [53] Edited by: Kabajashi San on 18/07/2007 10:08:55 Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri I am perfectly willing to trade 8 terrorist lives for every Amarrian one we lose. Trade accepted. Please deliver the amount of slavers you wish to be dead in return of the lifes you expect to a Assah Thukker Mix station. Our lives are meaningless. (edited for sp)
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.18 10:17:00 - [54] Pod pilot lives are indeed utterly meaningless. However, as much as I know you terrorists abhor basic math and calculations of the odds... at the current rate of exchange you have no chance of defeating Amarr and might as well just surrender. Unlike pod pilot lives, crew lives do not amount to mere isk. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Voivode Sha'mael PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.18 11:26:00 - [55] Edited by: Voivode Sha''mael on 18/07/2007 11:29:44 Your claim that you chased us out of your space then proceed to beat us in combat in Sarum Prime is simply untrue. As we entered Republic space that night, we were aware that you were amassing a fleet at a gate twice our size and with twice the number of Battleships. We decided in all our wisdom not to engage on your terms but to move on, as you said yourself. A few jumps later we proceed hold at a gate to see if you will follow and engage on our terms and you simply sit there. And we are the ones who are scared? We move on down to Ammatar then back to the Empire's space. And later, the Engagement in Sarum Prime (a well executed trap by the way) you jumped in almost 3 times our number (5-6 members of PIE to roughly 20-22 EM,UK) and yet we stay and fight for as long as is possible, minimizing loss, and yet we inflict more casualties upon you than we took, both in ship numbers and crew. If you consider that victory, then I look forward to more of these "victories". That is all. (Edit: SP) - AMARR VICTOR!
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.18 11:33:00 - [56] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 18/07/2007 11:34:30 Yes, we indeed do tend to consider gathering a superior force to drive you out from our home a victory. Not of a war, but of this battle. And while it was just one minor battle in a long war, it was important, because it shows that the tide is turning. Now shall we not be caught in debating this detail, but see how high it rises? Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient, Asst XO EM, Alliance diplomat -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Conlin Gallente Yiotul Fighters	Posted - 2007.07.18 11:50:00 - [57] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Evanda Char Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/07/2007 14:18:56 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/07/2007 14:16:54 An accurate report of the evening's events, except for one small thing. Not only did PIE forces destroy a Dominix at the Amarr gate in Sarum Prime, but also two Huginns and a Crow. All of this for the loss of a Pilgrim and a Navy Issue Augorer. Not bad considering we were outnumbered by around three to one (not only in raw numbers but also in heavy units). Yes, I'm not speaking for Ushra'Khan here, just reporting events from EM's perspective. As for your relatively light losses, well... if there had been a few more of you to shoot at, we'd certainly have given it a go. Indeed, the two Huginns and Crow were commanded by Ushra'Khan terrorists rather than Electus Matari Terrorists. However, since both sets of terrorist were flying in what appeared to be a joint fleet, I think that mentioning our other kills has some relevance on the matter in hand. Ahh were terrorists this week , cva pet has defined us pirate terrorists , or is that terrorist pirate ?. Anyhoo a meagre few ships uk may have lost in that wee skirmish please feel free to visit our kb Rodj then youl'l get a better insight into ship losses . Damn your losing Roddy 2-1 ratio in our favour
Kabajashi San Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.18 12:37:00 - [58] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri However, as much as I know you terrorists abhor basic math and calculations of the odds... at the current rate of exchange you have no chance of defeating Amarr and might as well just surrender. Nah I like maths, so here is one to think of. An average Amarr slaver holds how many Matari as captives? Like 20, 30? So if we kill one and lose 8 Matari, but free 20 - 30 that puts us in the plus by about 12 to 22 in terms of free matari. Let's say half of them joins our cause, so for the loss of 8 fighters we gain 10 to 15, so in terms of freedom fighters we gain 2 to 7 alltogether. It's a fairly good deal I believe. In maths only of course.
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.18 14:07:00 - [59] Originally by: 3ll3 Edited by: 3ll3 on 17/07/2007 20:42:07 We came! We saw! We kicked PIE! You ran away like frightened school children and still got your rear's handed to you when we came after you, you where beaten fair and square and all the whining and posturing is not going to change this I have no idea why we are arguing about the Sarum Prime engagement - One Pilgrim, One Logistics were lost on our side, One Dominix, two Huggins, and a Crow were lost to the enemy. The large gang that jumped in to aid the terrorists came about 60 seconds late. . .very simple. I think we came out on top, but others disagree. Now on this above posters comment - I have absolute confidence in my commanders judgment in combat, and not engaging a gang three to four times our size, with ships that are known for their ability to take heavy punishment was wise. The point to all this however is, that you did not chase, you did not have the confidence to truly drive us out of Minmatar space but rather decided that Onga would be the drawing line. . .I will gladly claim all Minmatar space up to Onga for the Empire, since you flatly refuse to defend anything past that. But then again, you represent nothing, not the Minmatar people, your elected leaders, or any organization affiliated with the Republic. Which means, nothing you do will be recognized by the Republic, nothing you say has any merit, and all your accomplishments are valueless. I will however continue to enjoy showing your kind what real pain is. ----
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.18 14:23:00 - [60] Originally by: Ruah Piskonit I have no idea why we are arguing about the Sarum Prime engagement Oh my, I find myself agreeing with one of the PIEty crowd? I think I need a vacation. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.

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