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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.17 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Hamfast on 17/07/2007 22:53:51
 Originally by: Hllaxiu
Theres another problem with this. Apparently one way that they launder money is by buying a ship or something for far more than its really worth. For example, if the lowest price in the region on a Nighthawk is 130mil, if you put up a region wide immediate buy order for 1billion isk, then the guy with the cheapest in the region provides you with ship.
Ok, clever right? All the person that wants the isk has to do is have the lowest sell order in the region. Now, of course, people have a tendency to buy from the lowest sell order in the region, and if the person that is selling the isk isn't careful, they can screw this up. An innocent person then gets the isk (next cheapest order), and gets permanently banned with no recourse.
This is true, and not something I had considered (the isk laundry business)... but it seems to me that the transfer could still be traced... as for the:
Originally by: Hllaxiu
An innocent person then gets the isk (the cheapest order), and gets permanently banned with no recourse.
- I changed the word "Next" to "The" -
It seems that if the ISK does not arrive at it's intended location, (Lost as you stated) that another attempt will be made by the same original intended seller and buyer, to transfer the ISK...
<edit> and this could be happening as we speak (the innocent being banned) </edit>
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.17 23:00:00 -
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it might be just me but what the op suggests is a bannable offense even in discussion
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Domitianvs
Amarr
Virginia Mining Institute
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Posted - 2007.07.17 23:02:00 -
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Its just you. 
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.17 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
If CCP wanted the sweatshop jerks gone, they would have banned them ages ago. They are not going anywhere. If you report yourself for buying isk they might simply ban you for it.
This is what I fear would happen... if it takes a month to train a new character up to drive a coveter, how long would it take the sweat shop owners to move on if their farmers only lasted a week or two before the account needed to be replaced (due to an account ban)...
If a Player can fly into a system and pick out the ISK farmers from the list of names in Local, why can't CCP?
We can only control ourselves, there is nothing we can do to stop a person from going to a site to buy ISK, saying "Don't buy ISK" is like saying "Don't Speed" and expecting everyone to slow down on the drive home... if none of the 34,000 people logged on bought ISK, the sellers would go out of business, they are still in business, so there must be enough people buying ISK to make it profitable for the sellers.
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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Ampoliros
Phantom Knights
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Posted - 2007.07.17 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ampoliros on 17/07/2007 23:25:04
Originally by: Hamfast
If a Player can fly into a system and pick out the ISK farmers from the list of names in Local, why can't CCP?
Players aren't flawlessly accurate. The warning signs are randomized names and refusals to respond to simple things like bumps, convo requests, etc, but thats hardly reasonable enough to ban someone for. Heck, part of me suspects that if they did, there'd be a bunch of "QQ my account got banned because I watch TV while I mine and because I couldn't come up with a name."
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We can only control ourselves, there is nothing we can do to stop a person from going to a site to buy ISK, saying "Don't buy ISK" is like saying "Don't Speed" and expecting everyone to slow down on the drive home... if none of the 34,000 people logged on bought ISK, the sellers would go out of business, they are still in business, so there must be enough people buying ISK to make it profitable for the sellers.
You can do something by not dealing with people who've bought isk if you know em - its certainly something. And, anyway, that the price of isk seems kinda cheap seems like a giveaway that there's a lot of supply and not so much demand.
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.07.17 23:28:00 -
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CCP can ban them, but they outnumber CCP and CCP is busy with other things.
As with this idea, its a terrible idea to buy isk from them in an effort to try and get them banned.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.07.17 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kesh McCall
Originally by: Lithia Tsanov
The solution is even more simple than that. CCP should simply sell ISK.
LT
If they do, ALOT of people including me will simply leave the game. I left when EQ did it, and i will when CCP will do it.
THEY ALREADY DO sell isk legally Its called GTC sales.
You buy (with REAL MONEY) a GTC that you sell for ISK. Therefore you just bought the amount you sell the GTC for in Isks with real currency.
You an yer friends leaving the game now?
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Yay! I can come up with good ideas too!
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=548436&page=2 |
Bashere Al'Thor
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.17 23:34:00 -
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CCP just needs to block text from being sent to chat if it has any list of known ISK selling sites. Simple.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.07.17 23:37:00 -
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I just think its sad that its gotten so bad that they are even spamming the noob help channel... There arent GMs in there ever?
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Yay! I can come up with good ideas too!
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=548436&page=2 |
Kesh McCall
Caldari
Universal - Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.18 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Kesh McCall
Originally by: Lithia Tsanov
The solution is even more simple than that. CCP should simply sell ISK.
LT
If they do, ALOT of people including me will simply leave the game. I left when EQ did it, and i will when CCP will do it.
THEY ALREADY DO sell isk legally Its called GTC sales.
You buy (with REAL MONEY) a GTC that you sell for ISK. Therefore you just bought the amount you sell the GTC for in Isks with real currency.
You an yer friends leaving the game now?
No they don't.
They sell GTC's and allow others to resell thoose for the ingame currency. This means the ISK ingame are at least worked for in a meaning of Time and effort.
If they would sell ISK directly .. out of thin air, by just adjusting some numbers ... thats a completly different story...
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Marius Damocles
Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2007.07.18 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Marius Damocles
Originally by: syphurous
Marius Damocles there's some lovely Macks in tight groupings out in the Kador region. No one ever responds to anything in local out there, not even BS bumping the groups stirs up any reaction.
ooo... i might head out there tonight and take a look!
thanks for the info!
if in tight groups, a dessy w/smartbombs might do the trick!
what system?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.18 01:01:00 -
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actully I was talking to an isk selling website and they agreed to send me 100 isk at a time form different accounts lol
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.18 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kesh McCall
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Kesh McCall
Originally by: Lithia Tsanov
The solution is even more simple than that. CCP should simply sell ISK.
LT
If they do, ALOT of people including me will simply leave the game. I left when EQ did it, and i will when CCP will do it.
THEY ALREADY DO sell isk legally Its called GTC sales.
You buy (with REAL MONEY) a GTC that you sell for ISK. Therefore you just bought the amount you sell the GTC for in Isks with real currency.
You an yer friends leaving the game now?
No they don't.
They sell GTC's and allow others to resell thoose for the ingame currency. This means the ISK ingame are at least worked for in a meaning of Time and effort.
If they would sell ISK directly .. out of thin air, by just adjusting some numbers ... thats a completly different story...
why don't you people see the real problem is people making money off of CCP's game?
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.07.18 01:03:00 -
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Right instead of just CCP making money off CCP's game
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Yay! I can come up with good ideas too!
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=548436&page=2 |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.18 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 18/07/2007 01:09:10
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Right instead of just CCP making money off CCP's game
Which as much as even CCP likes to pretend isn't the reason, is WHY you make video games; to make money. Yes CCP loves us, but they have admitted you got to make money to live.
I'm an upcoming artist; I won't be making art in games or movies for just the money, I'll be making art so that other artist will appreciate, and enjoy it. :) I love art it's what I want to do in life. But even for me, I can't live without money, so reason number 2 will be to make a living so I can support a family and live happily. and If I can do that while doing something I love that makes other people happy... then Great. :)
But if someday, someone steals my artwork and sells it for their own profit... oh I hope my children aren't born yet to see my wraith.
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Ampoliros
Phantom Knights
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Posted - 2007.07.18 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Bashere Al'Thor
CCP just needs to block text from being sent to chat if it has any list of known ISK selling sites. Simple.
Yeah, and then you get "Buy isk at i-s-k-s-e-l-l-i-n-g-s-i-t-e.c-o-m" or the other hundred thousand variations of it. Won't help anything.
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Zeonos
Amarr
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.18 02:24:00 -
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Ban macro IP. problem solved.. maybe even make a list from all games, so they can ban Proxy servers aswell, all online games use this list, to keep macro'ers out.
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RigelKentaurus
Flying Reblochons
Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2007.07.18 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zeonos
Ban macro IP. problem solved.. maybe even make a list from all games, so they can ban Proxy servers aswell, all online games use this list, to keep macro'ers out.
And what if they have a dynamic IP? Ban the whole ISP? 
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Zeonos
Amarr
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.18 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: RigelKentaurus
Originally by: Zeonos
Ban macro IP. problem solved.. maybe even make a list from all games, so they can ban Proxy servers aswell, all online games use this list, to keep macro'ers out.
And what if they have a dynamic IP? Ban the whole ISP?
yep.. :) people should learn not to use dynamic...
and i don't about you guys, but i haven't been to a net cafe with eve yet. and maybe net cafes could register to be allowed?, but we really need to get this isk/macro problem solved soon(tm)
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syphurous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.18 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Aiel
I just think its sad that its gotten so bad that they are even spamming the noob help channel... There arent GMs in there ever?
"STARS" but I never say any last time I was in there, I think they got nerfed. They were just volunteers who helped answer n00bs questions, no ban or mute ability.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.07.18 03:28:00 -
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The REAL problem with stopping ISK sellers:
Note: this was about something else and im too lazy to fix it :p
Originally by: Richard Aiel
As I have stated numerous times before this, any system you come up with will inherentlt have loopholes that people WILL exploit. This is an MMO this is what happens, worse, in this case, this is EVE and these loopholes are usually condoned by CCP anyways 
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Fester Addams
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.18 03:34:00 -
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The problem with isk selling is not the sellers, its the buyers.
As long as there are buyers there will be sellers and your idea will simply drastically increse sales, this will make it more profitable to sell and thus it will be counterproductive.
If you really want to get at the issue then target the buyers, if there were no buyers there would be no market, if there was no market there would be no sellers.
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Marilda
Amarr
Big Brother Holding Company
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Posted - 2007.07.18 13:58:00 -
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A simpler way is just to petition people who you suspect of buying isk.
It's not that hard to spot them.
I recently had a guy join a corp I was running, who had a year old character, a megathron and his first question was 'how do I mine?' followed by, 'where do I go to find missions?' and 'what are rats?'
Of course I have no 'proof' that he bought isk to set himself up in the game....
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.18 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 18/07/2007 14:23:37
Originally by: Zeonos
Originally by: RigelKentaurus
Originally by: Zeonos
Ban macro IP. problem solved.. maybe even make a list from all games, so they can ban Proxy servers aswell, all online games use this list, to keep macro'ers out.
And what if they have a dynamic IP? Ban the whole ISP?
yep.. :) people should learn not to use dynamic...
and i don't about you guys, but i haven't been to a net cafe with eve yet. and maybe net cafes could register to be allowed?, but we really need to get this isk/macro problem solved soon(tm)
Ok, since you obviously don't have a clue, most internet provider rotate IPs, that means unless you approximatly ban 99.9% of Eve... great move.
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Ninja Otaku
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:53:00 -
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Going on the tracing of funds thing. Good luck with that. A simple act of jetting a can with a faction module or X amount of high value trade goods can accomplish the goal of actually selling the isk. Tracing the isk spamers is not gonna be as easy as you think, IMHO.
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