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Emmyezrae
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Posted - 2007.07.18 04:06:00 -
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So I'm mining (or attemtping to) tonight in my Bantam. Jetcanning and going back to pick up my iteron to haul it back. After I get my can thieved twice, I move around until I find a system that only has 5 other people in it. I'm thinking finally I can mine in peace.
I just finish and go back to get my indy, I come back and someone in a retriver swipes my can. They were there most of the time i was filling it, and didn't swipe it til I came back to pick it up. I was understandably mad, and let them know it. The response I get back is "I'm sorry I thought you were macro mining" I tell them "I don't even know what that is, and you just stole an hours worth of work"
So anyway the point...
WTF is macro mining? Does that give people the right to be ore pirates? Is there anyway I can make a secure jetcan, so it doesn't get thieved? I know it's all part of the game and whatnot, but I spent 4 hours mining tonight, and didn't get 1 ore unit to show for it...
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RFwills
Warp Riders Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.18 04:13:00 -
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Macroing is repeating a certain set of clicking or typing via a program. In eve, its used to have characters constantly mine without a human doing any work. It is illegal in eve and takes isk away from honest miners like yourself.
Thats why many players take it upon thereself to steal macro miner ore, when really all they're doing is acquiring ore another cheap way which still effectively takes isk away from miners. _______________________________________________
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HelloDevette
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Posted - 2007.07.18 04:17:00 -
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Anyone can steal your ore, no excuse is needed. You are able to fight back if they do steal from you. Obviously, you will not kill anything in a bantam.
If you do not like people stealing your ore, you should either use a secure container, make trips back and forth to the station once your cargo hold is full, or have someone in a hauler sitting next to you- ready to pick it up.
Depending on what you want to do with this ore, you could try mining in deep low sec(6+ jumps from high sec) where there are not as many players. It is unlikely that someone will steal from you there. However, you would face the threat instead of being destroyed.
To be honest, just get a hauler and use it to steal from chinese farmbots. Much quicker than mining in a bantam.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.07.18 04:31:00 -
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yeah... mining wtf?? why arent you just stealing the ore like everybody else??
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.18 04:50:00 -
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if you do the same thing and expect different results - you have gone mad ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
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R'olyat
Gallente Four Rings D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.18 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: R''olyat on 18/07/2007 05:07:20 Guys, leave the noob alone.
You need to find an EMPTY system if you want to mine like that in peace, otherwise you open yourself to ore thieving
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Nelcordran
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Posted - 2007.07.18 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Emmyezrae So I'm mining (or attemtping to) tonight in my Bantam. Jetcanning and going back to pick up my iteron to haul it back. After I get my can thieved twice, I move around until I find a system that only has 5 other people in it. I'm thinking finally I can mine in peace.
I just finish and go back to get my indy, I come back and someone in a retriver swipes my can. They were there most of the time i was filling it, and didn't swipe it til I came back to pick it up. I was understandably mad, and let them know it. The response I get back is "I'm sorry I thought you were macro mining" I tell them "I don't even know what that is, and you just stole an hours worth of work"
So anyway the point...
WTF is macro mining? Does that give people the right to be ore pirates? Is there anyway I can make a secure jetcan, so it doesn't get thieved? I know it's all part of the game and whatnot, but I spent 4 hours mining tonight, and didn't get 1 ore unit to show for it...
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.18 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Emmyezrae So I'm mining (or attemtping to) tonight in my Bantam. Jetcanning and going back to pick up my iteron to haul it back. After I get my can thieved twice, I move around until I find a system that only has 5 other people in it. I'm thinking finally I can mine in peace.
I just finish and go back to get my indy, I come back and someone in a retriver swipes my can. They were there most of the time i was filling it, and didn't swipe it til I came back to pick it up. I was understandably mad, and let them know it. The response I get back is "I'm sorry I thought you were macro mining" I tell them "I don't even know what that is, and you just stole an hours worth of work"
So anyway the point...
WTF is macro mining? Does that give people the right to be ore pirates? Is there anyway I can make a secure jetcan, so it doesn't get thieved? I know it's all part of the game and whatnot, but I spent 4 hours mining tonight, and didn't get 1 ore unit to show for it...
Its situations like this that make more macrominers. Congradulations to the idjit who stole ore from a newbie (nothing personal to the newbie, of course). To answer your question, a macrominer is one who uses a third party program to do all the repetitive mouse moves in mining, effectively turning their computer into a pattern repeating bot.
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Boses
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.07.18 05:26:00 -
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Lol that excuse just doesn't hold up...how can u mistake a rookie in a Bantam for a macro miner? No farmer would waste their time with such a small and inefficient operation...they're all sitting in Hulks/Covetors stripping .9 systems...
The guy must have just wanted to drive competition out of "his" system or something...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.07.18 05:28:00 -
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While ore stealing is USUALLY self-morally justified through "he must be a macro miner" reasoning, some people actually steal ore for profit from ANYBODY.
Jetcan mining is a RISKY shortcut to maximize mining potential. By jetcan mining in a populated system you have opened yourself up to ore theft. Either DON'T jetcan mine at all (half mined ore beats zero ore due to theft) or find an empty (or near-empty) system to do it in.
Some people might give you your ore back if you prove you're not a macro miner, but if you met a "professional ore thief", you're pretty much out of luck. Heck, even taking back your ore might be hazardous to your health, unless you do it "properly" (that is, have them PUT the ore in YOUR can, instead of you taking ore from whatever can they just jettisoned).
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YetAnotherTradeAlt
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Posted - 2007.07.18 06:20:00 -
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This is when you fly back to station, get your combat ship, and help yourself to some nice free Strip Miners. . ..
Unfortunately, a lot of 'professional ore theives' (read as: Jerks) have gangs on hand and are just looking for someone to bait and gank. That's why you don't take the ore back when they're watching, and apply a WCS or two to the Iteron when you grab it back.
Honestly, the guy in the barge was being a jackass, or an idiot. There are some definite telltale signs of a macro miner, but Bantam mining and an actual name aren't some of them.
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Wild Xenria
Gallente Space Locusts
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Posted - 2007.07.18 09:37:00 -
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Although I see macromining as a problem, I hate that it's become such a common topic currently.
This is because every idiot out to steal ore or suicide gank mining ships in hi-sec seems to use this line. Before I considered such people jerks, now I've added cowards. I may not like pirating/theft but I would have more respect for the pirate who said honestly, I did it because I wanted to, rather than, oh sorry thought you were a macro.
Mate had his ret ganked by some idiots like that who didnt even think of convoing him to see if he responded, or rather responded intelligibly. Reasonable name on his char too.
Btw people who REALLY hunt macros and take trouble to be sure, I've no problem with at all. They are doing a good thing for EVE. From everything I've read on forums theres a lot of clues as to who definatly is a macro and some players put a chunk of time and effort into using them.
To the OP: I feel sorry for you but other comments have been right, without a sidekick jetcan mining is way to risky. Even with 2 or more working together it isn't fullproof. Good luck in the future with mining. If you want convo or evemail me in game and I'll be happy to talk about the pros and cons of mining if different ways.
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Yngve Den'Yngre
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Posted - 2007.07.18 10:42:00 -
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Jetcans = free for all
Ofcourse macro miners are the primary targets, but when boredome kicks in everything goes.
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gordon861
Minmatar AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.07.18 11:30:00 -
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Emmyezrae Join a local player corp and mine in systems nearby where most of them fly and next time you'll have backup to come and blow up ore thieves. Also most people realise that ships in player corps aren't normally macros.
Another thing I do when mining in a belt that has other miners in it is to say hello in local and have a general convo with them, it helps you to spot if they are macros and also relieves the boredom.
If you do find a suspected macro mention it in local. There's often people that are happy to come and start messing with them.
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Lance Hawke
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.18 11:32:00 -
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Excuse me.
Why does anyone need an excuse for theft.
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Jack Creme
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Posted - 2007.07.18 11:45:00 -
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Using the "Sorry I thought you were a Macro..." is pretty lame, but *shrug* this is Eve - who cares and why bother with excuses?
Emmy, if you're mining like that use a larger frig like a probe and just nip to & fro to a station. Better still join a mining corp and join in with their operations.
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FarScape III
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Posted - 2007.07.18 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: HelloDevette Anyone can steal your ore, no excuse is needed. You are able to fight back if they do steal from you. Obviously, you will not kill anything in a bantam..
Or even a BS with mining lasers and no scrambler and the drones shooting stuff their not sapposed to and getting Concordok=ckined. No thanks.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.18 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Hawke Why does anyone need an excuse for theft.
There is no theft in Eve, if you can take it, then it yours.
So, either don't get yourself in a position that your stuff can be taken.
Or have a big enuff punch so that people don't take your stuff.
Or, my approach, don't have anything worth taking.
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Katja Shade
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Posted - 2007.07.18 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Katja Shade on 18/07/2007 11:50:58 forum killed my reply, to lazy to retype.
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Kalibas
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:50:00 -
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You said you did not have a single piece of ore to show for your work, does that mean the person did not return the stolen ore after realizing you weren't a macro-miner? That's just mean.
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Dietes Marcellus
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Emmyezrae So I'm mining (or attemtping to) tonight in my Bantam. Jetcanning and going back to pick up my iteron to haul it back. After I get my can thieved twice, I move around until I find a system that only has 5 other people in it. I'm thinking finally I can mine in peace.
I just finish and go back to get my indy, I come back and someone in a retriver swipes my can. They were there most of the time i was filling it, and didn't swipe it til I came back to pick it up. I was understandably mad, and let them know it. The response I get back is "I'm sorry I thought you were macro mining" I tell them "I don't even know what that is, and you just stole an hours worth of work"
So anyway the point...
WTF is macro mining? Does that give people the right to be ore pirates? Is there anyway I can make a secure jetcan, so it doesn't get thieved? I know it's all part of the game and whatnot, but I spent 4 hours mining tonight, and didn't get 1 ore unit to show for it...
Tip: Get off the pipe, system [not on the way] have less traffic, and are less likley to have ORE thieves
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Annika MonSulu
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:33:00 -
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Emmyezrae, some advice for you.
Reroll your toon with a name that is more "normal". Don't get me wrong. I don't personally think there is anything wrong with your name in and of itself.
The problem is that it's too close to the "aefefew", "wtrhgwtwrw" and "qwerty" type names that macro miners are commonly known to use. Your name will be a curse to you for as long as you play if you keep it. Think of it as a magnet. Players see your name, assume you are a macro miner and flock to you like bees to honey to get their free ore. |
Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:56:00 -
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Alternatively learn to use secure cans. They're not as big as jetcans but better than just manually warping back when your hold is full. ----- Currently playing: Hello Kitty Online Character: Evil Kitty of DEATH |
HelloDevette
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: HelloDevette on 18/07/2007 22:29:40
Originally by: Akita T While ore stealing is USUALLY self-morally justified through "he must be a macro miner"
Morally justified? What the hell are you talking about. This is simply a video game.
Originally by: Kalibas You said you did not have a single piece of ore to show for your work, does that mean the person did not return the stolen ore after realizing you weren't a macro-miner? That's just mean.
How is it even possible for someone to be mean? EVE is merely a video game.
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Annika MonSulu
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: HelloDevette Edited by: HelloDevette on 18/07/2007 22:29:40
Originally by: Akita T While ore stealing is USUALLY self-morally justified through "he must be a macro miner"
Morally justified? What the hell are you talking about. This is simply a video game.
Originally by: Kalibas You said you did not have a single piece of ore to show for your work, does that mean the person did not return the stolen ore after realizing you weren't a macro-miner? That's just mean.
How is it even possible for someone to be mean? EVE is merely a video game.
Unless you have found some higher level to playing games, we all make choices in real life to hit key combinations or move a mouse in a certain way to impact the game in some fashion to our liking or dislike. Only a fool would say that its not possible to be "mean" in a game or that morals do not factor into the game at all. |
Innocent puppy
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:47:00 -
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Macroing is a tactic orignally starte by the BOB alliance in order to finance their capital production programm. In the beginning not yet an exploit but as soon as other people started to macro aswell it was called an exploit. These days looked upon as one of the plagues of eve but still done alot not in the least by the many bob alt corps.
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Alatari
Winterdawn
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Posted - 2007.07.18 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Emmyezrae Is there anyway I can make a secure jetcan, so it doesn't get thieved? I know it's all part of the game and whatnot, but I spent 4 hours mining tonight, and didn't get 1 ore unit to show for it...
Quite a few L1 and L2 missions have plenty of ore. Run a mission, kill all the NPCs and then mine to your hearts content.
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.07.19 08:01:00 -
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This is the part that has me puzzled
Originally by: Emmyezrae I know it's all part of the game and whatnot, but I spent 4 hours mining tonight, and didn't get 1 ore unit to show for it...
You mean that when you fetch your hauler, you don't at least cram as much ore from the jetcan into your miner's hold as it can take? Even with ore theft you should usually be able to make off with at least one frigate hold full of ore.
There are secure containers you could try, but they have some serious limitations (and there are too many littering the space lanes already CCP, please add a 1 month expiration timer to anchored containers to get rid of all that space junk or at least remove all the unowned containers!). You are best off teaming up with another player who hauls for you, and maybe another one to stand guard. Flying in a fleet also allows you (if you picked a prospector and as such have mining foreman 4) to take advantage of any gang bonus skill you may have.
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Callthetruth
Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.07.19 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Emmyezrae So I'm mining (or attemtping to) tonight in my Bantam. Jetcanning and going back to pick up my iteron to haul it back. After I get my can thieved twice, I move around until I find a system that only has 5 other people in it. I'm thinking finally I can mine in peace.
I just finish and go back to get my indy, I come back and someone in a retriver swipes my can. They were there most of the time i was filling it, and didn't swipe it til I came back to pick it up. I was understandably mad, and let them know it. The response I get back is "I'm sorry I thought you were macro mining" I tell them "I don't even know what that is, and you just stole an hours worth of work"
So anyway the point...
WTF is macro mining? Does that give people the right to be ore pirates? Is there anyway I can make a secure jetcan, so it doesn't get thieved? I know it's all part of the game and whatnot, but I spent 4 hours mining tonight, and didn't get 1 ore unit to show for it...
no mention of corp mate or alt hauling from jetcan , bad lazy miners deserve it
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Rangkai
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Posted - 2007.07.19 08:48:00 -
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Everyone has the right to be ore pirates.. even you.
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