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Jonathan Nova
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Posted - 2007.07.18 12:21:00 -
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Hello there,
I was just posting to ask advice on what people believe is the best (and by best I'm also looking at cheap) Caldari ship that I can take to 0.0 with my corp for the first time to do some rat hunting. I have quite a few skill points so can fly a number of ships. I was thinking that the ferox was best but before I buy one, (haven't flown one since lvl 3's)  I thouhgt I'd ask. Also what fitting?
many thanks,
Jonathan |
Santa Anna
Caldari
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.18 12:34:00 -
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What kind of rats?
Drakes work pretty well (better than Ferox) though you'll need decent missile skills to beat some BS tanks. After that you're probably looking at a raven.
You can kill BS rats in a caracal or moa or even a harpy if your skills are good enough, but a blaster harpy is pushing things damage wise and caracal/moa tank is pretty weak.
As for setups, the drake is a very strong passive tanker and there are a thousand passive tank drake threads. Same thing for the raven.
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Jonathan Nova
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Posted - 2007.07.18 12:39:00 -
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Hi,
Thank you for your reply, the idea of taking a raven into 0.0 seems a little expensive, I'm not sure what rats, I'm trying to find out. I take it you can tank like rats in a mission then? Specific hardners and dmg output?
Jonathan
 Originally by: Santa Anna
What kind of rats?
Drakes work pretty well (better than Ferox) though you'll need decent missile skills to beat some BS tanks. After that you're probably looking at a raven.
You can kill BS rats in a caracal or moa or even a harpy if your skills are good enough, but a blaster harpy is pushing things damage wise and caracal/moa tank is pretty weak.
As for setups, the drake is a very strong passive tanker and there are a thousand passive tank drake threads. Same thing for the raven.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.18 12:39:00 -
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raven or cerberus
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Jonathan Nova
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Posted - 2007.07.18 12:40:00 -
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thermal/kinetic tank - ?bloodraiders |
Santa Anna
Caldari
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.18 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathan Nova
Hi,
Thank you for your reply, the idea of taking a raven into 0.0 seems a little expensive, I'm not sure what rats, I'm trying to find out. I take it you can tank like rats in a mission then? Specific hardners and dmg output?
Jonathan
A raven is fully insurable, doesn't need rigs to handle every rat (not sure about drake), and has pretty cheap mods relative to cruiser-class vessels. (Arby siege are like 20% the cost of arby heavies.) You should fully insure any ship you rat in because the odds of outlasting the term of the insurance contract are low.
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Shiken Kan
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Posted - 2007.07.18 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Shiken Kan on 18/07/2007 13:58:30
a drake is pretty cheap and should be able to tank every spawn in 0.0
as for damage output i know for certain that it can kill every normal guristas spawn with better t1 launchers, but then you use kinetic there, so you get the racial ship bonus.
if it's possible to get some aid for that really tough and big bs (you should still be able to kill most rat bs solo, just not the biggest ones) drake should do fine.
Originally by: Santa Anna
A raven is fully insurable, doesn't need rigs to handle every rat (not sure about drake), and has pretty cheap mods relative to cruiser-class vessels. (Arby siege are like 20% the cost of arby heavies.) You should fully insure any ship you rat in because the odds of outlasting the term of the insurance contract are low.
the insurance thingie is a point though, as it actually is cheaper to buy an expensive ship that needs only real cheap modules to do the job than using a smaller ship with better gear.
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usmcdroid
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Posted - 2007.07.18 14:23:00 -
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Take a Drake! I can take a drake into 0.0 and tank and kill 3 BS's, plus cruisers easy alone, it takes a bit of time, but if you are going with friends, then a drake will do a very nice job. It will help to eventually use t2 drones and t2 launchers.
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Satura
Caldari
Mucho Dolor
The Insomniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.18 14:42:00 -
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Take a drake at first, it will tank like crazy. Every possible spawn is easy tanked with a drake. But imo if you are not usng Kinetic damage, is not worth it. But that's just me.
Anyway, start with a passive tanked drake, than switch to a torp raven. |
Haradgrim
Caldari
The Wild Bunch
KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.07.18 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Satura
Take a drake at first, it will tank like crazy. Every possible spawn is easy tanked with a drake. But imo if you are not usng Kinetic damage, is not worth it. But that's just me.
Anyway, start with a passive tanked drake, than switch to a torp raven.
Exactly, once you have been at it a short while, you will have more then enough ISK to switch to a raven, which is by far and away the best 0.0 ratting ship. You will make back the cost of its fitting and insurance contract in a couple of days.
I say this assuming you have decent missile skills.
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Haradgrim
[-WB-]
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KD.Fluffy
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:07:00 -
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Quote:
Take a Drake! I can take a drake into 0.0 and tank and kill 3 BS's, plus cruisers easy alone, it takes a bit of time, but if you are going with friends, then a drake will do a very nice job. It will help to eventually use t2 drones and t2 launchers.
Yeah if its your first time to 0.0 for ratting a drake is probably a good idea. Though a raven makes much more isk/hour then a drake, its abou 20 million more isk to loose.
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy
Quote:
Take a Drake! I can take a drake into 0.0 and tank and kill 3 BS's, plus cruisers easy alone, it takes a bit of time, but if you are going with friends, then a drake will do a very nice job. It will help to eventually use t2 drones and t2 launchers.
Yeah if its your first time to 0.0 for ratting a drake is probably a good idea. Though a raven makes much more isk/hour then a drake, its abou 20 million more isk to loose.
BTW, 20 million ISK = 2-3 hours of ratting. Get a Raven.
Liang
Originally by: "QproQ"
When people say "Put 'stabs on your 'cane", they mean GYROSTABS"
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Silith Malkur
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:27:00 -
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While the Raven is the undisputed king of PVE, taking a Ferox instead of a drake is mu cheaper. While it wont kill things quite as fast, it'll give you a feel for what you'll expect. My personal one is a T1 kitted Ferox:
Hi: 5 250mm Railgun I, 2 heavy missle launcher
Med: 2 invulnerability field Is, 3 large shield extender Is
Lows: 3 PDU Is, 1 RCU I
no rigs
5 Hornet drones
While its not the fastest killer out there she can tank multiple BS spawns + escorts, and also requires less skills to use than a drake may
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Captain Crimson
United Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Silith Malkur
While the Raven is the undisputed king of PVE, taking a Ferox instead of a drake is mu cheaper. While it wont kill things quite as fast, it'll give you a feel for what you'll expect. My personal one is a T1 kitted Ferox:
Hi: 5 250mm Railgun I, 2 heavy missle launcher
Med: 2 invulnerability field Is, 3 large shield extender Is
Lows: 3 PDU Is, 1 RCU I
no rigs
5 Hornet drones
While its not the fastest killer out there she can tank multiple BS spawns + escorts, and also requires less skills to use than a drake may
Requires more due to split weapons.
Originally by: Tuxford
I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
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Haradgrim
Caldari
The Wild Bunch
KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.07.18 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Silith Malkur
While the Raven is the undisputed king of PVE, taking a Ferox instead of a drake is mu cheaper. While it wont kill things quite as fast, it'll give you a feel for what you'll expect. My personal one is a T1 kitted Ferox:
Hi: 5 250mm Railgun I, 2 heavy missle launcher
Med: 2 invulnerability field Is, 3 large shield extender Is
Lows: 3 PDU Is, 1 RCU I
no rigs
5 Hornet drones
While its not the fastest killer out there she can tank multiple BS spawns + escorts, and also requires less skills to use than a drake may
A Ferox is good for one things: Reprocessing, no really, I'm not kidding....
use a Drake, it might take 48 hours longer then a Ferox.... to do twice as good a job....
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Haradgrim
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Russell Simmons
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Posted - 2007.07.19 02:58:00 -
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Definitely go with Drake then Raven, but imho the best is the Nighthawk if you can afford it.
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AnKahn
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Posted - 2007.07.19 04:19:00 -
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This is a very interesting thread altho it does not seem so.
If you are ratting with friends it is not too efficent. Ideally you are alone in a system and farming the spawns.
Raven vs Drake is interesting because I find more time is spend waiting for the spawning, and the 3 min more it takes a Drake to kill a triple BS spawn vs a Raven isn't so much a factor in ISK per hour when it comes to ratting. Mission running is different, of course.
Raven is big fat target. In deadspace that matters little. In open 0.0 space different story.
I run a tech 2 active tank on the Raven vs. passive tech 2 on Drake. There is no contest on which has the better tank.
Full tech 2 Drake with rigs agout 100 mil. Raven, not sure because I do not have tech 2 cruises yet, but I suspect more like 200mil. But Raven can be tech 1 to rat as long as you have the skills to hit at over 100 km.
These are general opinions.
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hellsknights
Phoenix Navy
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.07.19 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: KD.Fluffy
Quote:
Take a Drake! I can take a drake into 0.0 and tank and kill 3 BS's, plus cruisers easy alone, it takes a bit of time, but if you are going with friends, then a drake will do a very nice job. It will help to eventually use t2 drones and t2 launchers.
Yeah if its your first time to 0.0 for ratting a drake is probably a good idea. Though a raven makes much more isk/hour then a drake, its abou 20 million more isk to loose.
BTW, 20 million ISK = 2-3 hours of ratting. Get a Raven.
Liang
You can easily make about 100mil per hour ratting in 0.0.Taking
in consideration the true sec of the system and if your able to get the
belts chained preperly.
Hells
Let me liberate you of your T2 mods. T2 mods are dropping in price, because of invention?? No its because of pirates. |
Jonathan Nova
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Posted - 2007.07.22 18:06:00 -
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Hi,
Thank you all for your replys. I'm running a Drake at the moment, passive with 6 launchers on it, one tractor and one salvager. Its going well. I have a lot of missile skills so will save up for a raven out in 0.0 (if my corp doesn't get to a point where it can be made) and switch to a torp raven. I'm curious to know why torps are better than cruise missiles for ratting???
Drake tank is crazy, thinking of getting BC 5 for it :) wow then it would be awesome... anyway,
Jonathan |
Cynnis
PREDATORS OF DESTRUCTION
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Posted - 2007.07.22 22:17:00 -
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Torps are better than cruise for ratting for they deal a lot more damage but have a shorter range than cruise, which really doesn't matter when ratting. I'm able to hit at around 80km with my torps last i checked. |
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king jks
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.23 02:34:00 -
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I personally like the cerberus better than the raven for ratting, its faster, more agile, able to get in and out of hostile 0.0 space un escourted.
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2007.07.23 03:01:00 -
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a raven, with a cloak
mwhahahahahahahahahaaha 
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Aleranie
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Posted - 2007.07.23 03:09:00 -
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Does your corp/alliance already have claim to a 0.0 sector?
Cause if you don't, any kind of movement into claimed space is going to draw swift reaction from the current tenants...
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.07.23 03:16:00 -
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Edited by: LUH 3471 on 23/07/2007 03:17:46
ibis of doom 
no the best would prolly be a drake for you
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Ms Nomer
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Posted - 2007.07.23 04:20:00 -
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If you're in -1.0 space 100m/hr might be feasible, but i usually have access to -.2 to -.3 so it's about 20-30m/hr without loot and salvage if I get good spawns. But a Raven is your best bet.
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.07.23 12:34:00 -
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Battlecruisers for smaller spawns - ravens for the biggest MoFo's... Rokhs will also do in most cases for some heavier tank but Raven will be cheaper, faster and therefor won't need a tank as bad... also raven got better drone bay if you got a tackler popping up on overview ;-)
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MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!! |
Paigan
Amarr
Thirdwave
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Posted - 2007.07.23 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
BTW, 20 million ISK = 2-3 hours of ratting. Get a Raven.
...or 1 hour of mission running, lol. So far about 0.0 ratting.
But to the point:
I'd suggest a raven as well.
For 0.0 ratting, you don't even need arbalest. Not even T2 tanking.
I always used cheap stuff like named hardeners and ZW launchers, etc.
Maybe a XLSB2, because they're so cheap. But also not needed at all.
With insurance, that ship is only worth like 30mil or so, so no drama if you get ganked.
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This game is still in beta stage
And: I've played through Eve \o/ |
WildSide
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.07.23 13:36:00 -
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fit a small tank+3bcu on a cerb...a sensorbooster and a mwd and a cloak in the last 6 high slot....and warp to 100km to all belts and a bit off the 100km mark. rof about 5 sec...and keep spamming missiles...moving around. keep ureself aligned to somewhere. almost impossible to catch. hit mwd now and then..so any cloaked recons cant catch up with u.
move a alt in a hauler with max cargo expanders filled with gian sec cans full of missiles...and log him off in system.
enjoy logging on ure carebear alt..for the next moth or so in that system...simply ratting and logging off...after how much isk u need.
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