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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:47:00 -
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I'm sure many have already heard and expressed their opinions on this... however, having been here long and never really venturing to macro ratter space until last week, this is a HUGE problem. I was under the impression people could simply track them down and kill them, but the reality is they are near impossible to get. They are sophisticated enough to cloak or log off, even follow you to see you have left. And its not just 1 or 2, but MANY in MULTIPLE systems.
I just flew thru Guristas 0.0 space, and saw at least a dozen in a few adjacent systems. I don't understand how a GM can't spend 15 mins a week and ban these a-holes. 1 by 1 pick them off. This puts such a black eye on this game and what I do to get where I am at and what other people do to exploit this game. I'm not near to being rich, but I'd like to think my efforts in front of this computer are worth something.
CCP... this needs to be your TOP priority!
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Gentlewind
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:50:00 -
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They are paying customers and they provide paying customers with easy isk, perfect symmetry.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:55:00 -
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Snore.
Stop buying isk for cash.
Problem solved "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Domitianvs
Amarr Virginia Mining Institute
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:01:00 -
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Quote: I don't understand how a GM can't spend 15 mins a week and ban these a-holes.
If they do not even have the motivation to spend a couple minutes in any of the high sec systems with ice in them to ban the hundreds of macrominers in the ice belts then I really do not think that they would be too inclined to go out and hunt down macroratters in 0.0.
CCP is going to let the whole problem slide for as long as they possibly can. They have shown zero interest in taking care of the problem.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone Snore.
Stop buying isk for cash.
Problem solved
get real... you can't fix the person. This is a situation where you can only fix the macro ratter. There will always be people buying isk. But hey, if thats the quest you want to take on, be my guest. I'd like to see you handle that one myself.
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone Snore.
Stop buying isk for cash.
Problem solved
wow youre a ******* genious. Please tell that to the houndreds of ravens doing lv4 missions.
If only everyone were as clever as you!
Originally by: myself The Amarr templar joke is a joke stupid people can laugh at. Its the joke any dumb person can laugh at.
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M4sterm1nd
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:49:00 -
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Another fairness whine. I'm not even going to vent this time, it's just tiring.
Reality check for anti-farmer vigilantes : - You kill an isk farmer, his boss has a replacement raven to him in under an hour. - You ban an isk farmer, his boss has a new account ready in under a minute. - You lose your raven TRYING to kill the isk farmer, you lose a ship and fitting NOT backed by a hundreds-strong team of relentless isk farmers.
In short, suck it up, whiner. The world doesn't turn on your sense of fairness.
Although, if you're really that sore about it, there's always Plan B.... Get in their system, open a translator, and negotiate. They've got quota's to meet. Use that. Fleece them and install an insurance policy. Offer to replace their raven losses free of charge if they pay you X per day. Offer to guard the system. Offer whatever, just keep your language simple, but your reasoning adult. These aren't children. They're employees, just like any other. They don't give a wooden nickle about their boss long as they get paid. You convince them you can help with that, you're in. Tadaaaa $9.99 discount on your bought isk. Gratz on being too much of a putz to spend a few minutes a day ratting.
Or you could just stick with Plan A : suck it up and stop imposing your values on others.
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2007.07.18 19:32:00 -
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i love how the ebayers rally to the cause of the isk farmers in these threads
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Ryum852
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Posted - 2007.07.18 19:57:00 -
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I don't get how these are macro programs if they respond to you, or follow you or something like that?
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2007.07.18 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: M4sterm1nd
Reality check for anti-farmer vigilantes : - You kill an isk farmer, his boss has a replacement raven to him in under an hour. - You ban an isk farmer, his boss has a new account ready in under a minute. - You lose your raven TRYING to kill the isk farmer, you lose a ship and fitting NOT backed by a hundreds-strong team of relentless isk farmers.
In short, suck it up, whiner. The world doesn't turn on your sense of fairness.
I'd like to see any proof in your "reality". Keep in mind, for every account gone, thats 1 less macro out there. And maybe its not much, but I can clearly see you're the type of guy that doesn't think your 1 vote counts.
So, your idea to is join them and let them thrive... let them ruin the game while they line their own pockets until EvE is driven into the ground. This isn't a whine, but a call out for action... a call to start making this a game for people who play, not a business. I see your post as more of a 'lack of knowledge' and 'lack of integrity' for this game. I see your post as a selfish act.
By the way, when a GM kills an isk farmer, they lose nothing... not a ship. Players shouldn't have to defend this game from macroers. I never asked them to do so. I think your reality check needs to escape your own selfish agenda.
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Maxpie
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2007.07.18 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ryum852 I don't get how these are macro programs if they respond to you, or follow you or something like that?
What most people generally refer to as 'macro miners' are usually in fact 'isk farmers' meaning that they generally are workers who oversee a bunch of accounts that mine round the clock with the proceeds going to a central place for sale for real life money. I believe macro programs may be out there, but they appear to be far, far less prevelant.
He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things. |
Ryum852
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Posted - 2007.07.18 20:30:00 -
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i guess macro pilot is a hair nicer than calling them farmers from soandso country.
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Ja'kar
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.18 20:51:00 -
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I agree with the OP
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.18 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Maxpie
Originally by: Ryum852 I don't get how these are macro programs if they respond to you, or follow you or something like that?
What most people generally refer to as 'macro miners' are usually in fact 'isk farmers' meaning that they generally are workers who oversee a bunch of accounts that mine round the clock with the proceeds going to a central place for sale for real life money. I believe macro programs may be out there, but they appear to be far, far less prevelant.
But if they are not using a macro then they are not breaching the EULA so there is nothing that a GM can do. They might have a chance of getting them on account sharing but that is very hard to prove and very easy to get round. And you can imagine the whines on the forum if a 20 year old virgin living in his mom's basement got a ban cause he is online 20 hours a day.
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p3stil3nce
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Posted - 2007.07.18 21:43:00 -
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You can't ban them because in most cases there is a person behind the accounts. There is nothing illegal about 1 person handling 10 accounts at once to get mass isk from a single hauler mission agent.
But, if ISD were to investigate the account and track the flow of it's isk from start to finish and determined the accounts were part of an ISK selling venture then something could be done. But that takes time and effort.
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Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.07.18 21:45:00 -
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Sadly these are the same arguments and same conversations that occur in all MMO's.
The farmers wont leave. The MMO companys wont get rid of them. Comming to the MMO company forums and complaining about it has never acheived the rightious bannings that need to be done to remove the farmers.
I've pretty much given up trying to complain about farmers.. its a lost cause once you realize the MMO company dosen't care about their removal. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
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Domitianvs
Amarr Virginia Mining Institute
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Posted - 2007.07.18 21:51:00 -
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Quote: Reality check for anti-farmer vigilantes : - You kill an isk farmer, his boss has a replacement raven to him in under an hour. - You ban an isk farmer, his boss has a new account ready in under a minute. - You lose your raven TRYING to kill the isk farmer, you lose a ship and fitting NOT backed by a hundreds-strong team of relentless isk farmers.
In short, suck it up, whiner. The world doesn't turn on your sense of fairness.
Your right. The world does not turn on our sense of fairness, but since this is Eve and not the world then there is no reason that we should not expect the Eula to be upheld by the people that put it in place.
Quote: Although, if you're really that sore about it, there's always Plan B.... Get in their system, open a translator, and negotiate. They've got quota's to meet. Use that. Fleece them and install an insurance policy. Offer to replace their raven losses free of charge if they pay you X per day. Offer to guard the system. Offer whatever, just keep your language simple, but your reasoning adult. These aren't children. They're employees, just like any other. They don't give a wooden nickle about their boss long as they get paid. You convince them you can help with that, you're in. Tadaaaa $9.99 discount on your bought isk. Gratz on being too much of a putz to spend a few minutes a day ratting.
So do all of the Goon Macro accounts offer things like these to people outside of Goonswarm or do you have to be a member to get the perks?
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6Bagheera9
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:14:00 -
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I just keep killing them. Especially their haulers loaded with ammo or loot.
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Deva Blackfire
Citadel of dark arts
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: 6Bagheera9 I just keep killing them. Especially their haulers loaded with ammo or loot.
Yeah because for every badger with 40k jugger torps you miss 20 others full of ammo. Its like trying to stop the waterfall by carrying water back up with bucket...
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2007.07.19 01:22:00 -
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Just to clarify, I'm only referring to MACRO ratters. A farmer can do all he wants as long as he is physically running 10 accounts and not relying on a 3rd party program to do his work for him. However, the selling of his isk is a whole different story.
But in the case I'm referring to, okay... I admit there could of been someone there, but for the simple fact that all those ships were creating so many wrecks in the belts... there is no way ONE person could handle that task... unless he had macro help.
I'd rather have a few mis-banned instances, than to keep this low exploiting tactic going.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.19 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: RuleoftheBone Snore.
Stop buying isk for cash.
Problem solved
wow youre a ******* genious. Please tell that to the houndreds of ravens doing lv4 missions.
If only everyone were as clever as you!
Its not a question of being clever. If players did not feel the need to cheat and purchase ISK for cash in violation of the EULA there would be no market for the macros. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
Take it a step futher. Would you care for a killboard link to known macro's operating under the name of prominent 0.0 alliances? Nahhh...didn't think so .
Look...I don't like seeing characters in local named "Windows Media", "Married Again", and other such nonensense as it wrecks immersion. But they are there because players in EvE feel they have to cheat. It's that simple.
And you are a pretty rude individual
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Ryum852
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Posted - 2007.07.19 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus Just to clarify, I'm only referring to MACRO ratters. A farmer can do all he wants as long as he is physically running 10 accounts and not relying on a 3rd party program to do his work for him. However, the selling of his isk is a whole different story.
But in the case I'm referring to, okay... I admit there could of been someone there, but for the simple fact that all those ships were creating so many wrecks in the belts... there is no way ONE person could handle that task... unless he had macro help.
I'd rather have a few mis-banned instances, than to keep this low exploiting tactic going.
is this in a high sec area? Cause you could make a killing if you know where they are at. Just load up a salvage ship and follow behind cleaning up the mess.
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General StarScream
Gallente PLAYBOYS FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.19 02:01:00 -
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lol?` wtf do you care what people do.
if they whant to pay 15bux a monht to farm isk and sell it. so ******* what?
mind your own biz they dont bother you, you get botherd by them
if people whant to sell isk or what ever, its there problem, and not yours, just play your own game, it dont affect you anyway
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Busty McBoob
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Posted - 2007.07.19 02:26:00 -
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I doubt most them even sell isk, it all goes to alliance wallets.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2007.07.19 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Its not a question of being clever. If players did not feel the need to cheat and purchase ISK for cash in violation of the EULA there would be no market for the macros. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
You actually think the best way to solve this problem is to perform an all out campaign to all the isk buyers in the world and convince them to stop buying isk? You forget what CCP has control over and what they don't. They have the ability to stop the illegal macroer before anything reaches the illegal buyer. Its their job to handle this.
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.19 02:48:00 -
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CCP can greatly help us kill their Ravens by nerfing local chat. The main reason why they can operate with 95% safety in 0.0 is because of the scouting info local chat provides.
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Adelorae24
Caldari Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.07.19 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Domitianvs
Quote: I don't understand how a GM can't spend 15 mins a week and ban these a-holes.
If they do not even have the motivation to spend a couple minutes in any of the high sec systems with ice in them to ban the hundreds of macrominers in the ice belts then I really do not think that they would be too inclined to go out and hunt down macroratters in 0.0.
CCP is going to let the whole problem slide for as long as they possibly can. They have shown zero interest in taking care of the problem.
Macro miners make for easy kills. They put enormous loads of minerals on the market, and thus contribute to the production of tons of products. Macros do not stop anyone from enjoying the game. On the contrary they give the rest of us the equivalent of lobotomized chimps to shoot at, and the convos are hillarious. Let the macros mine, rat, and whatever else they can come up with.
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Gojyu
Gallente Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.19 03:57:00 -
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As much as I hate macro miners, I have to say one thing. Prove the guys you saw are macro'ers. Not just "well, it's obvious isn't it?", give me some way of accurately ensuring the gm's aren't banning someone who just doesn't speak english, or, shock horror, doesn't want to talk to you and I'll fully support a gm sweeping the systems of macro'ers
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Darpz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.19 05:01:00 -
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the raters your seeing around macroers there just farmers running 2-3 different clients with fofs. they are fully stabed up and the only thing that is borderline that they do is I beleave they have a prog that alerts when someone comes in local.
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hellsknights
Phoenix Navy Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.07.19 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Darpz the raters your seeing around macroers there just farmers running 2-3 different clients with fofs. they are fully stabed up and the only thing that is borderline that they do is I beleave they have a prog that alerts when someone comes in local.
And you got this info from working for them.???j/k Hells
Let me liberate you of your T2 mods. T2 mods are dropping in price, because of invention?? No its because of pirates. |
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