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Astro Wolf
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:54:00 -
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Let say corp X is in Allaince. Alliance A has no outpost but corp X has so much money it decides it would like to build one out of its own pocket for Alliance A and its members. As part of the "deal" corp X gets to keep ownership of the outpost, keeps a certain % of the "income" generated by said outpost and the other % goes to Alliance A bank account. Assuming this is all possible within the game mechanics.
Now come the big question.........after corp X constructs the outpost and it is operational and all is well.........Alliance A boots corp X from the Alliance. Does the expelled corp still retain ownership and rights to the outpost? Will the "income" generated thru tax, rent and other venues still funnel to corp X? Obviously Alliance A would not get their cut at this point.
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Vasant
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:06:00 -
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Alliance A would just need to establish POS sovereignty in the outpost system. Then shoot the station to take 'ownership'. Then for all purposes Alliance A 'owns' the station and gets all benefits from doing so. Corporation X gets nothing.
However, if Corp X fights to maintain sovereignty in the outpost system, they can continue to own the station and let whomever they want dock, etc..
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Astro Wolf
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Vasant
Alliance A would just need to establish POS sovereignty in the outpost system. Then shoot the station to take 'ownership'. Then for all purposes Alliance A 'owns' the station and gets all benefits from doing so. Corporation X gets nothing.
However, if Corp X fights to maintain sovereignty in the outpost system, they can continue to own the station and let whomever they want dock, etc..
This scenario assumes Alliance A already has POS sovereingty in the system but no outpost. Corp X is willing to foot the bill but in return would continue to own the station with 50% going to the Alliance and 50% going to corp X. You mean to tell me Alliance A could just boot out corp X and keep said outpost?
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Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:17:00 -
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whatever name is on the outpost show info that is who owns the outpost. However if corp X doesn't hold sovereignty of the system when they get booted alliance X which hold sov can shoot the station and claim as their own
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Vasant
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Astro Wolf
You mean to tell me Alliance A could just boot out corp X and keep said outpost?
Yes.
Ownership of outposts is directly tied to who has sovereignty of the system. There is no gentleman's agreements, or anything similar. The only thing that matters is who maintains sovereignty.
If Corp X did not properly setup the system with Sov holding POS structures prior to putting down the outpost, then the moment they are booted the station can be flipped to whomever does have sov.
If the system has no sov, or the number of large pos's is tied between multiple parties the outpost is considered to be neutral and can be shot and control at will by any party. (allinace B could come in for example and ninja the outpost from both A and X)
Generally most outpost holders maintain active sov holding pos's on 51% of the moons in the outpost systems, and many place offline placeholder structures on the remaining.
Building an outpost without the resources to deploy and maintain huge amounts of large pos, and a dread fleet to defend them is an invitation for a larger entity to take your outpost.
Hope this helps!
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Kretin
JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:44:00 -
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Corp X would lose the station very quickly due to only alliances and not corps bieng able to claim sovereignty
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.07.18 22:05:00 -
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The answers here are correct. Particularily the point that since a Corp cannot hold Soverignty, they are doomed to loose it.
Your other comments about sharing profits...I don't think that there is any way to do that without trusting the station owner to distribute it. AFAIK, all refining, taxes, clone contracts, repairs, market taxes go to the controlling corp, with no provision to split the profits any way. You can't even auto-split within the corp based on Shares or any other mechanism.
Most situations I've seen either have a new alliance formed as a holding alliance, or allow the corp to own the station. The owning corp is at mercy of the alliance, but some of the risk can be rectified by having the owning corp also be the one who has all the Soverignty towers in the system. Then if they are kicked from the alliance, the towers go with them, and they have assets that must be sieged normally while it will only take isk and a day to make a new alliance for the owning corp.
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