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Aine Ni Suicide Ganger 6	Posted - 2012.01.10 10:22:00 - [1] - Quote Hi you I am looking to expand my of trading adventur, and therefor looking for a 9,5b Bond over 2-3 months. As collaterale I have a T2 BPO, that I have used to make about 200-300m a month. It is possible to make more - specially if you not as lazy as me... :) So I'm looking for a Manufacturarer that will fill the bond, who's rent will the free use of BPO to make ISK alternative I'm looking for a Researcher that will fill the bond, and will research it in the periode of the bond, and I'll pay 250m per month as rent for this Either way there is plenty of good isk to be made. And no - I will not tell what I need the ISK for - not yet... :D And yes - this is a alt of mine, but what does that matter? :) And no - I can't split the BPO, so I am only looking for 1 person as bond holder (You are free to come up with the ISK together) If this is something for you or want to know more - Please EVE mail me
Gatan Hahran Brukterer DUCT TAPE UNION 73	Posted - 2012.01.10 11:38:00 - [2] - Quote So basically this is a collateralized 2.5% (3.1% with 250m) interest bond, with the twist that you also have to work for your 2-3% interest as investor. I think you may have better luck if you ask for 5 billion isk with same conditions. That would raise the interest to 4.8% (6% with 250m), giving a 0.8% (2%) premium for the work on top of the usual 4% interest that investors get without working for it.
Blueprint Seller 11	Posted - 2012.01.10 11:47:00 - [3] - Quote I'm interested. I'll drop you a mail.
Aine Ni Suicide Ganger 6	Posted - 2012.01.10 12:32:00 - [4] - Quote Cos researching and manufactoring is so hard, and so is dropping them on Jita market Replied to all mails
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 13:19:00 - [5] - Quote It's an Inferno Rage Torpedo BPO. It was purchased for 5b in this auction: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52051 It's value and manufacturing profit have been massively overstated. A ham fisted attempt at a scam.
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 13:21:00 - [6] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: I have an Inferno Rage Torpedo BPO ME0 and PE0 - I have seen T2 Torpedo BPOs sold to up to 14,5b (with a minimum of research) We can also do a split - so the first or two month is research and then production from there - might be the best option Could say a bond of 10b with the first two as research. Which give a payout of 9.5 and payed research. Lenght of bond is min. 2 months - and end-date will been 6 months, at the latest, or when you want out :) How does that sound?
Blueprint Seller 11	Posted - 2012.01.10 13:27:00 - [7] - Quote http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Inferno+Rage+Torpedo+Blueprint&POS=1&F60=1&P=1 Laughable.
Aine Ni Suicide Ganger 6	Posted - 2012.01.10 13:32:00 - [8] - Quote That is the precise BPO If I was to scam I would likely have used another toon - Possible you should have do a bit more research, and look at what the other T2 Torp BPOs are sold at. Ex. also the fact that others was willing to bid more, but was too late. Which was on the same thread. According to EVEEYE with 10/10 research and good selling places (not Jita, but the other mish hubs) - I can make that (5b) back in a little more than an year (minus Research time. Yes it SO much overrate - so is all profit and T2 BPOs
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 13:36:00 - [9] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: That is the precise BPO If I was to scam I would likely have used another toon - Possible do a bit more research, and look at what the other T2 Torp BPOs are sold at. Also the fact that others was willing to bid more, but was too late. On that same auction. According to EVEEYE with 10/10 research and good selling places (not Jita, but the other mish hubs) - I can make that (5b) back in a little more than an year (minus Research time. Yes it SO much overrate - so is all profit and T2 BPOs Keep digging.
Blueprint Seller 11	Posted - 2012.01.10 13:45:00 - [10] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: I have a T2 BPO, that I have used to make about 200-300m a month. Red Sun wrote: Auction closes Sunday 8th Jan at 21:00 I am impressed that you managed to make 200-300m a month with this blueprint in only 2 days.
Gatan Hahran Brukterer DUCT TAPE UNION 73	Posted - 2012.01.10 13:50:00 - [11] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: Cos researching and manufactoring is so hard, and so is dropping them on Jita market Replied to all mails Jita is serious business! This system has changed so many good people. As an example let me tell you the story of Sidari Hadraghi. When i first visited the trade section of the Jita 4-4 station i was a young and excited Amarrian businessman, ready to make a million or two for supporting my gambling addicted uncle who stayed back in Hilaban (Tash-Murkon). You have to know that there are many turtle-like creatures on this planet and the local mob used to throw them off buildings, so the people could bet if their shell would crack or not. my uncle was 42.000 isk behind. Back to Jita 4-4.. I was just counting out the price for some small navy ship asked by a minmatar guy with sunglasses. He only asked for a very low price because he was moving to dangerous null security space and couldnt take all his stuff with him. Just before i was ready to do the transaction Sidari Hadraghi put his hand on my shoulder and took me back. He was an old trader, knowing all the stuff about Jita and willing to teach. He was a good hearted person, with a focused mind for his old age, but for some reason every 5 minutes his right hand started to shake around and a tear dropped out of his eye. "The orders...the orders.. they never leave me alone" he whispered and put out a small touchpad. His shacking hand did his work and the pad disappeared again. "The young traders, they are so fast" he finally said crying. 2 weeks later Sidari Hadraghi died. When i visited the graveyard some while ago and talked to locals they claimed that in some nights there is a clicking sound coming out the spot where he is burried. Every 5 minutes.
Aine Ni Suicide Ganger 6	Posted - 2012.01.10 13:53:00 - [12] - Quote Lol - I have more than one BPO https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=51810&p=2 4x T2 Torps for 14.25b each What is with ME20/PE20 - which is almost no difference in time and cost compared to 10/10 - so with a bit of reseach I can take my "worthless" BPO can sell - WHY would I want to make a collateral for fare under their worth - so the other guy can run with them for a bargain. Even a 10b bond with NO collateral, with 250m interest per month is not a bad deal on MD. And as collateral you would need to research it (10m cost a month) - Yes a horrid deal it is...
Aine Ni Suicide Ganger 6	Posted - 2012.01.10 13:56:00 - [13] - Quote @Gatan Hahran Lol - know the feeling - lucky I dont have to do every 5 mins :D
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:04:00 - [14] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: Lol - I have more than one BPO https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=51810&p=2 4x T2 Torps for 14.25b each What is with ME20/PE20 - which is almost no difference in time and cost compared to 10/10 - so with a bit of reseach I can take my "worthless" BPO can sell - WHY would I want to make a collateral for fare under their worth - so the other guy can run with them for a bargain. That auction was for Mjolnir Javlin Torpedos. Spot the difference... http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Inferno+Rage+Torpedo+Blueprint&POS=1&F60=1&P=1 http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Mjolnir+Javelin+Torpedo+Blueprint&POS=1&F60=1&P=1
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:07:00 - [15] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: Even a 10b bond with NO collateral, with 250m interest per month is not a bad deal on MD. A 2.5% uncollateralised bond, with an unknown is not a bad deal on MD? Somebody pass this man a ladder, he's going to need it.
Aine Ni Suicide Ganger 6	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:08:00 - [16] - Quote I dont know if I should feel sorry for the math of try to compare like that or just lauch - Yes difference is the in JITA they are not sold for the same - but I can sell Inferno Rage for same a lot of other places - as they are uses a lot more than Javalins - but that takes market research.
Aine Ni Suicide Ganger 6	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:12:00 - [17] - Quote Freak Power wrote: Aine Ni wrote: Even a 10b bond with NO collateral, with 250m interest per month is not a bad deal on MD. A 2.5% uncollateralised bond, with an unknown is not a bad deal on MD? Somebody pass this man a ladder, he's going to need it. Sorry you are complely correct on that - that would be a bad deal. I forgot to write some text - was meant to with a BPO as bonus to bond. Really sorry about that one Edited for more missing words
Aine Ni Suicide Ganger 6	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:21:00 - [18] - Quote As I'm cauris (And really bad at englist), I would like to know what would a fair amount - If I also would like the BPO to be research while it's held as collateral ?
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:26:00 - [19] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: As I'm cauris (And really bad at englist), I would like to know what would a fair amount - If I also would like the BPO to be research while it's held as collateral ? You could get a 4.5b loan at 4% including research with that BPO as collateral.
Aine Ni Suicide Ganger 6	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:35:00 - [20] - Quote 4,5b - If I was a scamer, I would run with it - as I could sell it for more - likely atleast 5.5 - without even researching it. I rather pay higher interest and have smaller chance of other person running with. If 5% for normal uncollateral is the going rate (seems so), would it be unfair to say 10b uncollateral bond at 5% (ie. 250m) - with a BPO as a "sorta" collateral, for having to research in return for the collateral - as I know, I am not know on the forum?
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:41:00 - [21] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: 10b uncollateral bond at 5% (ie. 250m) - with a BPO as a "sorta" collateral, for having to research in return for the collateral - as I know, I am not know on the forum? But your BPO is not worth 10b, not even close. So, you are offering at best 50% collateral. You would not get the fully collateralised rate. Furthermore you are not an unknown anymore. You are known as being dishonest.
Blueprint Seller 11	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:50:00 - [22] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: 4,5b - If I was a scamer, I would run with it - as I could sell it for more - likely atleast 5.5 - without even researching it. I rather pay higher interest and have smaller chance of other person running with. If 5% for normal uncollateral is the going rate (seems so), would it be unfair to say 10b uncollateral bond at 5% (ie. 250m) - with a BPO as a "sorta" collateral, for having to research in return for the collateral - as I know, I am not know on the forum? 10b at 5% is 500m, not 250m. 5% is not the normal uncollateralised rate for a first time bond. 10b is not an amount that a first time bond holder can raise.
Commander Jameson 101 Lady Aphra's House Of Correction In Tea We Trust 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:59:00 - [23] - Quote 5b at 5% (250m per month) for any combination of ME/PE research. Tell one more lie in this thread and I will withdraw the offer.
Gatan Hahran Brukterer DUCT TAPE UNION 73	Posted - 2012.01.10 15:11:00 - [24] - Quote sunglasses took over, now its serious business
Aine Ni Suicide Ganger 6	Posted - 2012.01.10 15:29:00 - [25] - Quote If anyone reads this thread and thinks I am dishonest - I don't have a problem with that - As I'll not miss those people. I have not been dishonest about anything ever - but I'm covering my bases and might make mistakes - at least I am willing to admit and correct. And I NEVER statet that the BPO was worth 10b. But I did find my calc error, on the first offer Tx for the help 10b 5% is 500m and not 200m The 2% is for fully - so should have been 375m for a "half" collateralized bond and likely 400m with research claus - even if I valued the BPO as somewhat more worth than 5b :D Scenario: 1 - Make a collateral with a item worth more than bond - I run risk at being scamed. 2 - Make for precise amount - hard to find, as both parties have interest in turning the value to their side. 3 - Make a collateral with a item worth less than bond - bond holder runs risk at being scamed. 4 - Make with no collateral - even more risk 1 is not good for me. 2 - is really hard to find. I choose to combing the 3-4 By going rates - I could have made a 10b at 5% with no C. So what I was trying to offer was a BPO at going rate, in return for having it researched - I must clearly be a scamer - lol @James I value the BPO at 9b (which gives me a lot of room, for no one would want to run with it) - so any bond for less of that, is a no go for me - I'm still willing to pay 4% or a close even number for this special "half" collateralized bond, with the special research claus
Commander Jameson 101 Lady Aphra's House Of Correction In Tea We Trust 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 15:34:00 - [26] - Quote Commander Jameson 101 wrote: Tell one more lie in this thread and I will withdraw the offer. Offer withdrawn as per my conditions.
Aine Ni Suicide Ganger 6	Posted - 2012.01.10 15:38:00 - [27] - Quote What lie would that be ?
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 15:47:00 - [28] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: Scenario: 1 - Make a collateral with a item worth more than bond - I run risk at being scamed. 2 - Make for precise amount - hard to find, as both parties have interest in turning the value to their side. 3 - Make a collateral with a item worth less than bond - bond holder runs risk at being scamed. 4 - Make with no collateral - even more risk 1 is not good for me. 2 - is really hard to find. It looks like you were already offered 2 by the commander. He offered you exactly what you paid for it two days ago. That is as fair an offer as you could expect. Aine Ni wrote: I choose to combing the 3-4 What a suprise. You choose the two options that allow you to scam your investor. Aine Ni wrote: By going rates - I could have made a 10b at 5% with no C. Nonsense. The going rate for an uncollateralised 1st timer is not 10b at 5%. You could not raise 10b at any rate as an uncollateralised 1st timer. You would be lucky to get 5% even on a small amount as an uncollateralised 1st timer. This is before you entered into all this deception about the value and return of the collateral. Aine Ni wrote: I must clearly be a scamer Yes. We know. You have made it somewhat obvious. Aine Ni wrote: I value the BPO at 9b (which gives me a lot of room, for no one would want to run with it) That may be your valuation, but the marketplace values it at 5b - the price you bought it for at public auction 2 days ago.
Aine Ni Suicide Ganger 6	Posted - 2012.01.10 16:02:00 - [29] - Quote Nonsense. The going rate for an uncollateralised 1st timer is not 10b at 5%. You could not raise 10b at any rate as an uncollateralised 1st timer. You would be lucky to get 5% even on a small amount as an uncollateralised 1st timer. That might be true - I was just what I looked at few of the last bonds - I dont read their full history. What would be more the likely rate for the two types ? I must clearly be a scamer Yes. We know. You have made it somewhat obvious. LOL - some people just can't take a joke That may be your valuation, but the marketplace values it at 5b - the price you bought it for at public auction 2 days ago. If I thought it was less worth - why would I buy it ? I was the ONLY one that made a bid WITHIN the time frame. The other bid was after - So clearly otherwise the price would have be higher. So to judge a value, from the fact I got a good deal - is fare from valid, IMHO. My honest value is not the fuld 9b - BUT I also want to be sure, when I payback the loan - I have a BPO to pick up
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 16:21:00 - [30] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: Nonsense. The going rate for an uncollateralised 1st timer is not 10b at 5%. You could not raise 10b at any rate as an uncollateralised 1st timer. You would be lucky to get 5% even on a small amount as an uncollateralised 1st timer. That might be true - I was just what I looked at few of the last bonds - I dont read their full history. What would be more the likely rate for the two types ? For a collateralised loan it is normal for the collateral to be valued at firesale prices, to protect the investor against a drop in the value of the collateral and to prevent the investee from simply defaulting. Rates would generally be in the 3%-5% range. The 4.5b at 4% suggestion that I made would therefore be reasonable and the 5b at 5% offer that CJ101 made would be on the high side. For an uncollateralised 1st time loan you might get between 100m-1b at 5%-10% depending on the quality of your proposal and the results of any audit done on you. In your case, your proposal is riddled with what can generously be termed as errors and less generously regarded as lies. You offer no business plan, in fact you refuse to offer one. I honestly doubt that anyone would offer you an uncollateralised loan on this character based on this.

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