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Ciara
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Posted - 2007.07.19 07:48:00 -
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I always feel a bit "uncomfortable" in the vicinity of a Vagabond when flying my Arazu. So I ask you: Do I stand a chance?
When I uncloak and lock him, he will be sensor damped. As long as he is around 30km from me, I shoot him with my 3 250mm railguns. When he starts to orbit (around 14km I guess) I release 5 warrior IIs at him. In case he gets closer, he will be webbed.
Do you think, that 5 warriors are enough to kill him/drive him off?
Any input is appreciated!
Ciara
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Damned Force
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Posted - 2007.07.19 07:53:00 -
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Im not an expert in the flying of Vagas, but i think if is not webbed, than there is no weapon or drone which could be dangerouse for a good fitted Vaga with skillen pilot. The speed is too high
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Xtreem
Gallente
Golden Orb Technology inc
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Posted - 2007.07.19 07:54:00 -
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5 warriors will have trouble against anything other than a frig, and with the higher res for t2 ships i doubt it will bother him that much.
tbh i personaly would not go 1v1 arazu vs vegabond there is no chance you will win, even if you did get the upper hand he would mwd and skip off in seconds.
now a rapier + arazu i would, get agro with the arazu then grab him with the webs and move to safe distance :)
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Dark Voynix
Vaapad Shinobis
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.19 07:57:00 -
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I'm not an arazu pilot but if he would be able to lock at 14km u have not a clue how to use the arazu. How many damperers are u fitting????
Skilled pilots with 3 good damperers ( and rigs) should give him lock range <5km, not 15. Too lazy to make some maths but also a half crap pilot will give him < 10km lock range with 3 damperers and without rigs.
Imho u have to bring him into web/nos range (<10km). Then the question is, if he dare to come nad be nossed + webbed or give up and warp away.
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar
Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2007.07.19 09:41:00 -
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In a straight 1 vs 1, it'll either stalemate or you'll die IMHO. Vagas tend to have a LOT of HP for you to chew through, and he'll either warp away when he sees he's damped, or run at you and to lock before he gets killed.
Even with a 2minute lock time, i reckon you can't kill him before he finally locks and he shreds you with autocannons.
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EinaruS
Rage Academy
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.07.19 10:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Katarlia Simov
In a straight 1 vs 1, it'll either stalemate or you'll die IMHO. Vagas tend to have a LOT of HP for you to chew through, and he'll either warp away when he sees he's damped, or run at you and to lock before he gets killed.
Even with a 2minute lock time, i reckon you can't kill him before he finally locks and he shreds you with autocannons.
and there you have it
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Bluestealth
Minmatar
BlueLabs
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Posted - 2007.07.19 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: EinaruS
Originally by: Katarlia Simov
In a straight 1 vs 1, it'll either stalemate or you'll die IMHO. Vagas tend to have a LOT of HP for you to chew through, and he'll either warp away when he sees he's damped, or run at you and to lock before he gets killed.
Even with a 2minute lock time, i reckon you can't kill him before he finally locks and he shreds you with autocannons.
and there you have it
I was able to kill one on singularity with a Lachesis, with a web and an afterburner.... took a while. Should be able to be done in Arazu too. Although you'd have to run into a very stupid Vagabond pilot to let himself get in web range for long enough. Most would probably make a run at you, get webbed, then just run off.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.19 10:50:00 -
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Speed arazu and faction web should have decent chances.
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Valandril
Caldari
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.19 11:04:00 -
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My isk is on vaga, it will get close enought to shrug at ur dampens
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Bluestealth
Minmatar
BlueLabs
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Posted - 2007.07.19 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Speed arazu and faction web should have decent chances.
Till you run out of capacitor.
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eXtas
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.07.19 11:24:00 -
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vaga got a locking range of what? 60km? so with 3 damps u can get him down to 3km... 2 damps would make it about 5km and no vagas run sensorboosters so yes u can kill a vaga with a arazu if u set it up with 2x webbers and if he takes a chance and comes into webb range. most arazus dont use webbs so he might take a chance :)
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.07.19 11:29:00 -
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Aye, it's gonna be tears unless you're packing a web. If he comes close and you don't have one he can even load hail! :P
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Riho
Gallente
Magnificent Beavers
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.07.19 12:19:00 -
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i can fly both of em (arazu and vaga) and i would put my isk on the vaga any time :)
if i cant lock a arazu.. i will bump it untill i get a lock (so it wount warp out on me :P) when i get lock... load hail and WTFPWN the crap out of the arazu :P arazu will take a long time to go thorugh a vagas 9k or so shields whit decent resists :D
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MacDuncan
Minmatar
Asgard Schiffswerften
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.07.19 12:26:00 -
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If the Vaga pilot going the "safe route", he can just wait for the Warriors to be locked and pop them REALLY fast...and what will you do w/o them?
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Kheo Sen
Minmatar
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.07.19 13:01:00 -
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it can be done with good skills and top named or t2 stuff no need for faction.
3 damps, 1 web, 1 mwd, 1 disruptor
guns
drones
cap relays
Damp rigs.
Rip vaga.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.07.19 13:42:00 -
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What about a speedcurse (3damps, 1 TD) vs a common fit Vaga?
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TresheR
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2007.07.19 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
What about a speedcurse (3damps, 1 TD) vs a common fit Vaga?
Vaga runs or dies.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.19 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 19/07/2007 14:11:54
Originally by: Bluestealth
Originally by: LUKEC
Speed arazu and faction web should have decent chances.
Till you run out of capacitor.
You don't know what cap injector is?
If you're fast in your ship, you don't need 2 webs really. Personally I'd still fit blasters with null thought.
But again, problem is finding solo vaga that's willing to engage.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.19 15:18:00 -
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I'd take a Vaga in my Arazu... it's probably faster than most Vagas. 
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Destr0math
Tritanium Workers Union
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Posted - 2007.07.19 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel
I'd take a Vaga in my Arazu... it's probably faster than most Vagas.
are these the "most vagabonds" that use 1600mm plates and afterburners?
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.19 15:38:00 -
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I'd be very surprised if an arazu managed to kill a vaga unless it has at least 2 90% webs and manages to hold it out of lock range but within web range. It'll take an arazu quite a while to braek the vaga's shields even if it is webbed and if it can lock u then u'll go down a lot faster than he will.
Basically if u can hold it and stop it locking u then fine but i doubt most arazu setups are capable of doing that.
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.07.19 15:39:00 -
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If the arazu has a web it will be a stalemate, if not the vaga will eventually kill you unless you warp off... end of.
(this is expecting them to have pretty cookie cutter setups, nano arazu with faction web may be able to win as someone has already said)
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EntroX
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.07.19 15:58:00 -
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orbit at 500 and use hail?, either the vaga kills your or warps out, i cant imagine a vagabond getting solo killed by an arazu.
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.07.19 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: EntroX
orbit at 500 and use hail?, either the vaga kills your or warps out, i cant imagine a vagabond getting solo killed by an arazu.
Or the arazu slaps a web on it and because its MWD is already off it can't use its existing inertia to get out of web range?
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Bluestealth
Minmatar
BlueLabs
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Posted - 2007.07.20 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Edited by: LUKEC on 19/07/2007 14:11:54
Originally by: Bluestealth
Originally by: LUKEC
Speed arazu and faction web should have decent chances.
Till you run out of capacitor.
You don't know what cap injector is?
If you're fast in your ship, you don't need 2 webs really. Personally I'd still fit blasters with null thought.
But again, problem is finding solo vaga that's willing to engage.
Bah, stupid me, I always forget about those :)
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Akiman
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Posted - 2007.07.20 12:38:00 -
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2 webs maybe? but i wouldnt engage one solo...
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WildSide
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.20 14:29:00 -
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I uses 2x 2500mm rails+1 faction nos(either ts or corpum)
3damps.1 faction wap disuptor+db web+mwd.
small t2 rep+400m plate+2cap relays.
if a vaga gets close enough to gain lock(about4km) I got a fair chance killing him. just web/and orbit at 10-12km. while nossing and killing him slowly. havent killed a vaga on tq in arazu/lachesis jet..but downed a curse and zealot.
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