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loony thezoon	Posted - 2007.07.20 10:20:00 - [1] with the advent of the LP store, everyone is burning lots of faction ammo. Any ETA on faction drones?
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.07.20 10:25:00 - [2] I've already got some faction drones. They're called "Warrior II"s. Y'know, the one I have to train a factional specialization skill to field. (Disregard my intentional trolling. How would factional drones be handled? Require same skills as vanilla T1, with stats lower than T2? Doesn't that seem like a waste when T2 drones are so incredibly easy to train for and have zero drawback compared to T1?)
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.07.20 10:28:00 - [3] Originally by: loony thezoon with the advent of the LP store, everyone is burning lots of faction ammo. Any ETA on faction drones? People use faction ammo? not on missions i hope? i mean sure there nice but the price is still very high compared to standard ammo and u burn a lot on missions. Faction drones might be interesting, but then they should be better then T2's cuz T2 drones don't have a negative effect unlike T2 ammo/missiles. If there not better then T2 then why bother. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Return The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.07.20 10:33:00 - [4] Edited by: Mastin Dragonfly on 20/07/2007 10:33:44 Donno about other weaponsystems, but I have no issue using faction crystals in missions. They aren't that expensive in the LP shop.
Jon Hawkes The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.07.20 11:15:00 - [5] Can anyone remember the Hellhound drones?
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.20 11:42:00 - [6] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 20/07/2007 11:42:53 Originally by: 000Hunter000 Originally by: loony thezoon with the advent of the LP store, everyone is burning lots of faction ammo. Any ETA on faction drones? People use faction ammo? not on missions i hope? i mean sure there nice but the price is still very high compared to standard ammo and u burn a lot on missions. Lots of people use faction missiles on missions. It makes them more isk/hour than the cost of the missiles. For most people, as long as faction missiles are costing less than 4k per unit - you make more due to completing more missions in the same timeframe. In other words - faction ammo pays for itself in missions and then some. You dont just kill enemies 15% faster - its a lot more than than. If a rat tanks 200dps and you do 300dps, that a total of 100 damage per second you are doing. If you use faction ammo and do 345dps intsted, thats 145 damage per second you are doing, thus 45% more real damage after NPC's tank in this example. -- Billion Isk Mission
Grapez Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.21 16:40:00 - [7] "Cormack's modified Hammerhead/Ogre" Would be sweet.
Hornymatt	Posted - 2007.07.21 16:55:00 - [8] Edited by: Hornymatt on 21/07/2007 16:56:15 Pretty sure there was briefly a drone that got dropped that was uber a few years back. However, as that drone had the stats of a bs it's stay in Eve was very brief Edit : sorry Jon Hawkes, was that the Hellhound you were referring to? My memory of the whole thing's a bit vague, was never lucky enough to come accross one
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.21 16:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Lord WarATron If a rat tanks 200dps and you do 300dps, that a total of 100 damage per second you are doing. If you use faction ammo and do 345dps intsted, thats 145 damage per second you are doing, thus 45% more real damage after NPC's tank in this example. So, in your example, the rat has 66.6% (200 out of 300) resits to your damage. So when you do unresisted 345dps the rat will tank 230dps and you will do 115 damage. Or 15% more.
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.21 17:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Lord WarATron If a rat tanks 200dps and you do 300dps, that a total of 100 damage per second you are doing. If you use faction ammo and do 345dps intsted, thats 145 damage per second you are doing, thus 45% more real damage after NPC's tank in this example. So, in your example, the rat has 66.6% (200 out of 300) resits to your damage. So when you do unresisted 345dps the rat will tank 230dps and you will do 115 damage. Or 15% more. If resistances were everything there is when it comes to tanking damage that would be correct, but that's not the case. ------------------
Santa Anna Caldari Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.07.21 17:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Lord WarATron If a rat tanks 200dps and you do 300dps, that a total of 100 damage per second you are doing. If you use faction ammo and do 345dps intsted, thats 145 damage per second you are doing, thus 45% more real damage after NPC's tank in this example. So, in your example, the rat has 66.6% (200 out of 300) resits to your damage. So when you do unresisted 345dps the rat will tank 230dps and you will do 115 damage. Or 15% more. I think the quoted poster is talking about resisted dps and the rat is repping 200 HP/s. _____ CPU Love
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.07.21 17:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Lord WarATron If a rat tanks 200dps and you do 300dps, that a total of 100 damage per second you are doing. If you use faction ammo and do 345dps intsted, thats 145 damage per second you are doing, thus 45% more real damage after NPC's tank in this example. So, in your example, the rat has 66.6% (200 out of 300) resits to your damage. So when you do unresisted 345dps the rat will tank 230dps and you will do 115 damage. Or 15% more. No. The rat can tank 200 DPS and has 10 K HP. You deal 300 normally. 10K:100 dps = +- 100 seconds to kill the rat. With faction missiles you deal 345 DPS. 10K:145 = +-69 seconds to kill the rat. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.07.21 18:53:00 - [13] Nobody care about drones... nothing to see here move along. On a serious note they would make a nice addition to the Gallente and Amarr LP stores though they would have to better than t2 otherwise they would go unused. This would have to be balanced by price. Before someone starts complaining about balance I would like to point out that faction launchers are generally considered superior to t2 and both turrets and launchers have access to faction damage/rof modules. In fact with everything but drones you "get what you pay for."
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.07.21 19:53:00 - [14] Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 21/07/2007 19:53:41 Originally by: Jon Hawkes Can anyone remember the Hellhound drones? no? tell more.. links are good too it would be nice if you could get harvesters from lp shop maybe from the mining type corps eg minmatar mining corp (only one i can think of )
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2007.07.21 20:01:00 - [15] Faction drones would make sense, I mean they got modules and ammo and crystals and stuff so it would make sense. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Vrikshaka Insult to Injury	Posted - 2007.07.21 20:52:00 - [16] Edited by: Vrikshaka on 21/07/2007 20:53:55 Faction drones? Why?? Because killing in style is cool. Just like a kill with a Navy Vexor > a kill with an Ishtar any day. Us dronewh***s need some faction lovin' too. Give us faction drones now plz. And then the Shadow Serpentis Dominix. EDIT: btw shouldn't this be in Ships and Modules?
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:27:00 - [17] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 21/07/2007 21:31:25 Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Lord WarATron If a rat tanks 200dps and you do 300dps, that a total of 100 damage per second you are doing. If you use faction ammo and do 345dps intsted, thats 145 damage per second you are doing, thus 45% more real damage after NPC's tank in this example. So, in your example, the rat has 66.6% (200 out of 300) resits to your damage. So when you do unresisted 345dps the rat will tank 230dps and you will do 115 damage. Or 15% more. Are you saying that the rat tanks 230 dps insted of 200 just because the player changed to Faction missiles of the same damagetype? Whats teh logic of a rat tanking more damage if you use more damaging ammo? Firstly, resistences do not matter for a example. Lets say the rat has 0% resists and can repair 200dps. And your ship does 300dps with standard t1 ammo. Real damage being done is 100dps. Faction missiles mean you do 345dps insted of 300, therefore you are doing, after the enemy tank, 145 dps insted of 100 dps. Which is a 45% increase in this example. Anyhow back on topic - I think faction drones are a good idea, however I think Drone AI needs to be fixed. All drones should work as a team unless told otherwise and only attack automatically targets that are agressing the owner. Otherwise, faction drones will just end up killing themselves :) -- Billion Isk Mission
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:51:00 - [18] I'd give someone elses left nutt for drones that don't act like the scooby gang. Is it so darn hard to get them to stay on the same target... would it kill you to implement a target priority list even if we couldn't play with it. Drones stay together Heavies go for BS then Cruisers then Frigs Mediums go for cruisers then BS or frigs Smalls go for frigs the cruisers or BS But this is another topic entirely. I want a faction fitted Domi to compete with a faction fitted Raven, that means faction, deadspace, and maybe even officer drones. Theres even a chronicle about what could be considered an officer class drone. Some hi-slot drone equivalent of a mag-stab with faction variants would be nice too, standard stacking penalty, high fitting reqs, would give us something other than NOS to fit there. Give me a reason to fly my Domi on lvl 4s! Running Gallente missions with Caldari ships makes baby Jesus cry.
Tyleritus The Coalition Of Buccaneers Mercenary Services	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:13:00 - [19] At teh last fanfest there leed artist did a piece of artwork they handed out of a faction fighter, and it generated alot of interest and he said because of that they would look into it.
Human Cattle	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:30:00 - [20] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Lord WarATron If a rat tanks 200dps and you do 300dps, that a total of 100 damage per second you are doing. If you use faction ammo and do 345dps intsted, thats 145 damage per second you are doing, thus 45% more real damage after NPC's tank in this example. So, in your example, the rat has 66.6% (200 out of 300) resits to your damage. So when you do unresisted 345dps the rat will tank 230dps and you will do 115 damage. Or 15% more. hmmm 100 on 50% resists = 50dps, rat can tank 25hp of that so you do 25 real damage, using ammo that does 10% more damage than normal will still have 5% of the additional 10% damage resisted so that would be 110/2-25 = 30 real damage, or 12% more (not simply 10%) than normal as the rat isn't repairing anymore hp. I think that makes sense. I saw where you were coming from though.

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