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Axle skye
Caldari
Ruby Sunrise
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Posted - 2007.07.20 13:47:00 -
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So here is what happened.
(30 minutes before the wife get home from work)
Just finished a quick L3 (seek and destroy) in Junigashi. (10 min left on NPC aggro counter)
warp to zero, Suroken stargate. Jump.
Ship jumps to Suroken.
then this.
Gamelog
Listener: Axle skye
Session started: 2007.07.19 21:45:14
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[ 2007.07.19 21:45:28 ] (notify) Warping to Suroken VI - Spacelane Patrol Assembly Plant prior to making docking attempt
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:32 ] (combat) CONCORD Police Officer lands a hit on you which glances off, causing no real damage.
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:33 ] (notify) CONCORD Police Officer has started trying to warp scramble you!
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:33 ] (notify) Warping to Suroken VI - Spacelane Patrol Assembly Plant prior to making docking attempt
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:33 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>CONCORD Police Captain places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 1264.1 damage.
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:33 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>CONCORD Police Officer aims well at you, inflicting 318.3 damage.
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:33 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>CONCORD Police Commander places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 2669.3 damage.
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:33 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>CONCORD Police Commander aims well at you, inflicting 1901.4 damage.
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:33 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>CONCORD Police Commander lightly hits you, doing 1284.0 damage.
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:33 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>CONCORD Police Captain aims well at you, inflicting 1053.4 damage.
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:33 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>CONCORD Police Commander barely scratches you, causing 1873.3 damage.
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:33 ] (notify) Unable to perform because you are warp scrambled.
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:34 ] (notify) CONCORD Police Commander has started trying to warp scramble you!
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:34 ] (notify) CONCORD Police Commander has started trying to warp scramble you!
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:34 ] (notify) CONCORD Police Commander has started trying to warp scramble you!
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:34 ] (notify) CONCORD Police Captain has started trying to warp scramble you!
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:34 ] (notify) CONCORD Police Commander has started trying to warp scramble you!
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:34 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>CONCORD Police Officer places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 590.8 damage.
[ 2007.07.19 21:45:34 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>CONCORD Police Commander aims well at you, inflicting 2049.9 damage.
Boom, I'm in a pod. blink, blink, wtf?
I look up in the corner and now I have 9 minutes left on a Global criminal counter?
I warp pod off and dock.
Petition.
Get canned response.
Sorry for your loss, all looked good on this end.
So here are my questions:
How did I go from an NPC aggro counter to a Global Criminal counter by jumping?
If I had global aggro before I jumped to Suroken, then I should not have been able to jump, right?
If I had aggro'ed someone/thing in Junigashi, then I should have been concorded in Junigashi?
How can I be sure that this does not happen again?
Police Commander places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 2669.3 damage. |
Paigan
Amarr
Thirdwave
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Posted - 2007.07.20 13:56:00 -
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Nice sideeffect, CCP.
*thumbs up*
How much did you guys pay for it?
Oh and sorry about your loss, axle.
Sometimes repeating a petition several times helps, because GMs obviously decide very often at will, not according to some GM rules or so.
I've had cases where the one guy laughs at me what a stupid player i am and the other guy apologizes for the game error and helps me.
Note for the mods: I didn't publish any GM conversation here. Hrhr.
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Axle skye
Caldari
Ruby Sunrise
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Posted - 2007.07.20 14:08:00 -
[3]
Thanks for the info. I'll give it a try.
Fortuantely I rememebered to switch to a corp alt and got what wasn't destroyed back.
My big concern is being able to trust what EVE is telling me about aggro and counters and such.
Police Commander places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 2669.3 damage. |
Sazkyen
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Posted - 2007.07.20 15:06:00 -
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Actually, a few mins back upon egress from a station in my shuttle I got a message: "has started trying to warp scramble you". That's it, no name at all.  Nothing happened in the end though as far as I can tell.
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Dominious
Gallente
Semper Excelsius
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Posted - 2007.07.20 15:18:00 -
[5]
It seems once in a while CONCORD pulls an LAPD-style beating on Eve citizens for no apparent reason. Hopefully it gets resolved quickly for you.
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evs
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Posted - 2007.07.20 16:12:00 -
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theres a thread in GD about someone who lost a navy mega to this, he pushed his petition to a senior gm and got his ship back
keep pushing the petition higher
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Guerrica
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Posted - 2007.07.20 16:44:00 -
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were you running missions with an alt? if you kicked out a FOF, or a round in the wrong direction that will flag you. I've had it happen a couple of times where my alt accidentally fired upon me, and got a Global Criminal + Sec hit.
Oooh... idea there, check your security status to see if/when it lowered. That will tell you the *why* behind the GCC. If there isn't anything put that in the petition, pretty hard to argue with a GCC w/o a sec hit.
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Axle skye
Caldari
Ruby Sunrise
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Posted - 2007.07.20 16:50:00 -
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Interesting idea, I didn't think to check my sec status.
but no, alt is on the same account (hauleralt),
and no fof's either (myrm).
I really just want to know if i can actually trust the aggro warnings or not.
Police Commander places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 2669.3 damage. |
evs
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Posted - 2007.07.20 18:17:00 -
[9]
escalate the petition, youre not the only one this has happened to
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Axle skye
Caldari
Ruby Sunrise
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Posted - 2007.07.20 18:34:00 -
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Thanks for the suggestion about checking my sec status.
There was no change to it, the the increase from killing npcs.
I have attempted to escalate the petition.
I appreciate the help.
Police Commander places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 2669.3 damage. |
Raven Starchild
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Posted - 2007.07.20 19:09:00 -
[11]
 Originally by: Dominious
It seems once in a while CONCORD pulls an LAPD-style beating on Eve citizens for no apparent reason. Hopefully it gets resolved quickly for you.
ROFL.
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Tomas Anderson
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Posted - 2007.07.21 06:44:00 -
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I find that none of my petitions are EVER helped the first time (must be an unwritten rule they have)
I have had to resubmit the petitions upto 12 times before I get help.
Let me ask you this.
1. Why does EVERY GM rule difrently?
2. Would lag time on petitions be alot faster if you didnt have to resubmit endlessly?
3. Do they think there will be less petitions if they dont help anyone? Im guessing they hope you get frustrated and go away.
4. How can you have clear proof and they still say there isnt any , until you page several more times.
5. Are petitions "shopped out" to 3rd world staff/companies that dont have translater hardware , so they have no clue what your talking about?
My Last petition I told the GM straight up. "Your either a Liar or the most incompatent employee ive ever had the displeasure of coming in contact with , Please esculate this petition" and low and behold I was helped.
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Paigan
Amarr
Thirdwave
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Posted - 2007.07.21 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tomas Anderson
I find that none of my petitions are EVER helped the first time (must be an unwritten rule they have)
I have had to resubmit the petitions upto 12 times before I get help.
Let me ask you this.
1. Why does EVERY GM rule difrently?
2. Would lag time on petitions be alot faster if you didnt have to resubmit endlessly?
3. Do they think there will be less petitions if they dont help anyone? Im guessing they hope you get frustrated and go away.
4. How can you have clear proof and they still say there isnt any , until you page several more times.
5. Are petitions "shopped out" to 3rd world staff/companies that dont have translater hardware , so they have no clue what your talking about?
My Last petition I told the GM straight up. "Your either a Liar or the most incompatent employee ive ever had the displeasure of coming in contact with , Please esculate this petition" and low and behold I was helped.
/completely utlimately honestly really signed
and because a simple "signed" is considered to be spam in here (which makes me laugh at times) i hereby add somemore blabla in order to play according to the rules.
I can also state explicitly that i agree with the whole quote.
Cheers.
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2007.07.23 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Guerrica
were you running missions with an alt? if you kicked out a FOF, or a round in the wrong direction that will flag you. I've had it happen a couple of times where my alt accidentally fired upon me, and got a Global Criminal + Sec hit.
Oooh... idea there, check your security status to see if/when it lowered. That will tell you the *why* behind the GCC. If there isn't anything put that in the petition, pretty hard to argue with a GCC w/o a sec hit.
he would have then gotten concorded in the previous system
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Riggers Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.07.23 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tomas Anderson
I find that none of my petitions are EVER helped the first time (must be an unwritten rule they have)
I have had to resubmit the petitions upto 12 times before I get help.
Let me ask you this.
1. Why does EVERY GM rule difrently?
2. Would lag time on petitions be alot faster if you didnt have to resubmit endlessly?
3. Do they think there will be less petitions if they dont help anyone? Im guessing they hope you get frustrated and go away.
4. How can you have clear proof and they still say there isnt any , until you page several more times.
5. Are petitions "shopped out" to 3rd world staff/companies that dont have translater hardware , so they have no clue what your talking about?
My Last petition I told the GM straight up. "Your either a Liar or the most incompatent employee ive ever had the displeasure of coming in contact with , Please esculate this petition" and low and behold I was helped.
The few times I've to deal with GM's, I've had absolutely no problems. They have been friendly, helpfull and very informative.
I've gotten a few ships reimbursed, but most of the time, I know its my own fault when i lose a ship  .
Perhaps you need to revise how you write the petition, ie don't start in a hostile, unfriendly and/or demanding tone. Have as much fact as possible and keep it short and precise. Reread the petition before you submit it, so you are sure it actually makes sense.
Not saying that GM's are perfect, but if you read 500 petitions a day and the 450 of them are hostile and/or "time wasters", it becomes very likely that you would jump to conclusions or misread it.
OP: I do hope you get your ship back and that they fix the bug. Personally, I have not experienced the problem yet.
One question in this regard, the pirates you shot at, were they in any way friendly towards the owners of the next system? (If were in Angle space shooting Republic Fleet ships, it would make sense that the aggro would turn GCC if you entered a Republic system)
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OneSock
Silentia Mortalis
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Posted - 2007.07.23 12:43:00 -
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Maybe you should also bug report it. If they get enough bug reports, they may actually investigate it.
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Axle skye
Caldari
Ruby Sunrise
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Posted - 2007.07.23 14:30:00 -
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Well, apparently I inadvertenly sent a repair drone out to rep an NPC, as opposed to my own drone that was damaged, thus triggering the Global criminal counter.
So as not to quote a Gm directly, "Oops, your own damn fault, new feature in REV II. "
So some words of advice to fellow mission runners, Add repair drones to the list of drones you should not use on missions, as they lead to unpredictable results.
Police Commander places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 2669.3 damage. |
evs
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Posted - 2007.07.23 15:53:00 -
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bah, i know somoeone who lost a navy megathron due to repair drones, and he didnt even rep an NPC
iow dont use repper drones.....
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seleka
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Posted - 2007.07.24 06:47:00 -
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Edited by: seleka on 24/07/2007 06:48:13
Originally by: Axle skye
Well, apparently I inadvertenly sent a repair drone out to rep an NPC, as opposed to my own drone that was damaged, thus triggering the Global criminal counter.
So as not to quote a Gm directly, "Oops, your own damn fault, new feature in REV II. "
So some words of advice to fellow mission runners, Add repair drones to the list of drones you should not use on missions, as they lead to unpredictable results.
Well, sorry for that loss. However this behaviour is indeed very predictable. Remote repairing a criminal is a criminal act no matter if that criminal is an npc or a player. This may look a bit weird but it was (imo) put in place to protect mission runners from griefing. That kind where someone scans your mission (in hisec) and starts remote repping the npcs so that you can't finish the mission or even worse...
From that point it really makes sense, because their was no other way of protection before. Hope you recover soon. gl
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