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Jeb Coolness Esophorics Anonymous	Posted - 2007.07.20 22:46:00 - [1] The details can be found here: Griefwatch Homepage Mods: Sorry in advance if this doesn't warrant a post in this forum. [ Griefwatch Killboards ]
Lucky Dice	Posted - 2007.07.20 22:52:00 - [2] Damn Shame. Good Luck for the future.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.20 22:53:00 - [3] Originally by: Jeb Coolness The details can be found here: Griefwatch Homepage Mods: Sorry in advance if this doesn't warrant a post in this forum. I hope this puts a dent in those damned pirates.
Corwain Gallente Kamite	Posted - 2007.07.20 22:55:00 - [4] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Jeb Coolness The details can be found here: Griefwatch Homepage Mods: Sorry in advance if this doesn't warrant a post in this forum. I hope this puts a dent in those damned pirates. I bet your main is a pirate. -- A Solo Arbitrator vid, Distortion by Corwain
xeom Coagulated	Posted - 2007.07.20 22:57:00 - [5] Couldn't just release the source code eh? --- Coagulated -Videos- Viciously Delicious New! Non-Entity
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.20 23:10:00 - [6] D: Griefwatch ftw. :(
Gutsani D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.20 23:14:00 - [7] Originally by: xeom Couldn't just release the source code eh?
Dave White coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.20 23:17:00 - [8] Edited by: Dave White on 20/07/2007 23:20:27 Shame. Best of luck.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.20 23:21:00 - [9] Just release the source code tbh. - Recruitment open again-
Cybarite Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.07.20 23:25:00 - [10] sigh, I suspect I'm going to lose my cool sig banner soon, best of luck with your problems man, still wish you'd release the sourcecode though, it'd be a real boon to the community. You may log out, but you can never leave
Jaymine	Posted - 2007.07.20 23:35:00 - [11] Edited by: Jaymine on 20/07/2007 23:35:27 Originally by: Jeb Coolness The details can be found here: Griefwatch Homepage Mods: Sorry in advance if this doesn't warrant a post in this forum. Well the server and domain name are pretty useless without the source code, how about a price for people that dont have the isk for the code and want to purchase everything other then your character outright for $? Edit: Spelling
Sebesto Minmatar Destination Unknown	Posted - 2007.07.20 23:44:00 - [12] Originally by: xeom Couldn't just release the source code eh? No, because he is selling Griefwatch for $1,100 US and on top of that 75 Billion Isk.
Jeb Coolness Esophorics Anonymous	Posted - 2007.07.21 00:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Just release the source code tbh. The reason we're not releasing the source code at this time is because there are 2 investments into Griefwatch that have yet to be repaid. First and foremost is the ~70b ISK that Griefwatch customers have paid to us that they'll now be losing. I understand the desire to get the service for free, but I can't just give away something that people have paid for and yet to receive. Second is the cost of the server which has not made its money back. The initial investment in the server and hosting is about $1,900.00. Put simply, open sourcing the code dumps the investment of the only 2 groups I care about down the drain: My customers and myself. [ Griefwatch Killboards ]
Jeb Coolness Esophorics Anonymous	Posted - 2007.07.21 00:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Jaymine Edited by: Jaymine on 20/07/2007 23:35:27 Originally by: Jeb Coolness The details can be found here: Griefwatch Homepage Mods: Sorry in advance if this doesn't warrant a post in this forum. Well the server and domain name are pretty useless without the source code, how about a price for people that dont have the isk for the code and want to purchase everything other then your character outright for $? Edit: Spelling If it weren't for the close to ~70b ISK in pre-payments my customers have made, I'd absolutely consider this. [ Griefwatch Killboards ]
xeom Coagulated	Posted - 2007.07.21 00:55:00 - [15] So why not just sell the server and screw the "customers"? Comedy win if the guy that buys this released the source code and just wants a rather well priced server. --- Coagulated -Videos- Viciously Delicious New! Non-Entity
Nobues Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.21 01:01:00 - [16] Sorry to see one the best killboard sites go down.. Webhosting & Killboard for you, your corp, and your Alliance Click me for more info
Xtreem Gallente Scientific Creative Underworld Mafia	Posted - 2007.07.21 01:04:00 - [17] Edited by: Xtreem on 21/07/2007 01:04:03 very sad :( tbh CCP should buy it and keep it as a free service
F90OEX	Posted - 2007.07.21 01:05:00 - [18] We just setup a KB last month .. oh well, hopefully someone can pick it up and continue a great resource to EVE.
Ander Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.21 02:18:00 - [19] The reason you dont make more than 30$ /month is cause you only display adsense on frontpage. Am I wrong? If you made it mandatory to display adsense on peoples killboards you could probably make more. Make them pay a little extra isk and then they lose the ads, win win. Rather than seeing this site die... Now... if you want someone to administrate your site while you're gone and then return later you can contact me. Free bandwidth included in exchange for percentage of the isk income of course :) I have a hosting company (IRL) with the necessary equipment to run things flawlessly. We run all kinds of community sites for real cash when its outside of EVE so we've the experience to do it. EVE PIRATE ANDER! now posting in "orange"
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.21 02:21:00 - [20] Originally by: Jeb Coolness The reason we're not releasing the source code at this time is because there are 2 investments into Griefwatch that have yet to be repaid. First and foremost is the ~70b ISK that Griefwatch customers have paid to us that they'll now be losing. I understand the desire to get the service for free, but I can't just give away something that people have paid for and yet to receive. Second is the cost of the server which has not made its money back. The initial investment in the server and hosting is about $1,900.00. Put simply, open sourcing the code dumps the investment of the only 2 groups I care about down the drain: My customers and myself. And how are you screwing your customers over if you give them the ability to have their own griefwatch at home? As for your investments... well, it's you who are abandoning the project, right? You chose it. - Recruitment open again-
SasRipper DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2007.07.21 04:03:00 - [21] nooooooooooooooo!!! all teh other kb look sucky gl with rl coolness snip Sas has spoken this tread shall be locked.
smashsmash	Posted - 2007.07.21 04:10:00 - [22] i'm sorry to hear about griefwatch. you have done everything you can to make sure no one gets screwed so ignore the whiners that want everything along with the kitchen sink.
Erichk Knaar Caldari Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.07.21 04:14:00 - [23] Edited by: Erichk Knaar on 21/07/2007 04:17:11 Edited by: Erichk Knaar on 21/07/2007 04:14:27 So, what would we be talking in RL $ to take over the enterprise. Server, code and customers? Note, I understand that you want to protect customers, but 75bil would be a real hassle to raise. However, I might be interested in actually just taking this over.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.07.21 05:42:00 - [24] Shame - Was an excellant Board. Good luck flogging it - transfering it - whatever Skunk Originally by: Fink Angel They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.07.21 05:46:00 - [25] What happened to the 70bn ISK you were pre-paid by customers to keep the board up? Not very professional of you to go and spend it all without guarenteeing their service would be up for so long. That being said, I wish you the best of luck getting your RL back on track. - Security Director Advanced Logistics
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.07.21 05:49:00 - [26] how very sad best kb imo
Epoch	Posted - 2007.07.21 11:41:00 - [27] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Jeb Coolness The reason we're not releasing the source code at this time is because there are 2 investments into Griefwatch that have yet to be repaid. First and foremost is the ~70b ISK that Griefwatch customers have paid to us that they'll now be losing. I understand the desire to get the service for free, but I can't just give away something that people have paid for and yet to receive. Second is the cost of the server which has not made its money back. The initial investment in the server and hosting is about $1,900.00. Put simply, open sourcing the code dumps the investment of the only 2 groups I care about down the drain: My customers and myself. And how are you screwing your customers over if you give them the ability to have their own griefwatch at home? As for your investments... well, it's you who are abandoning the project, right? You chose it. Quote: Due to real life financial issues as well as a family crisis, I can no longer administrate Griefwatch and the surrounding services. ^^ you read that bit Tobias. who the **** are you to question him. its hardly a choice for someone to prioritize their family and rl financial problems over a video game.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.21 14:58:00 - [28] Originally by: Epoch ^^ you read that bit Tobias. who the **** are you to question him. its hardly a choice for someone to prioritize their family and rl financial problems over a video game. There there, I merely meant that he invested the money well aware of that it might not work out. And afaik the server doesn't just disappear because he takes it offline for awhile. What was invested in the killboard making is time, and if he's genuinely interested in providing a service to the EVE-community, and his customers - I think he should offer the source code to them. This is a discussion forum, you know. Opinions may not always be liked, but please don't play moderator or the moral compass of the world. Thanks. - Recruitment open again-
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Endgame.	Posted - 2007.07.21 15:35:00 - [29] noooo been the best killboard i ever had.. ! GL hope someone else takes it over My Personal Killboard
Ander Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.21 15:39:00 - [30] My offer remains EVE PIRATE ANDER! now posting in "orange"
Coconut Joe VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.21 15:47:00 - [31] Cant yout sell the database and source code seperatly to the server?
Martyr Theos	Posted - 2007.07.21 19:49:00 - [32] Edited by: Martyr Theos on 21/07/2007 19:49:55 Will someone tell me how this website's receipt of isk in exchange for services is any different than buying isk? How is it that CCP has not already shut this site's characters out of the the game? Just another example of metagaming destroying the levelness of the playing field. Now if BOB will just purchase this site, they can finish EVE and it will be over.
Jeb Coolness Esophorics Anonymous	Posted - 2007.07.21 20:30:00 - [33] I appreciate the kind words of support from those who gave them. I would also like to let you know that I've been in talks with several groups and all these discussions involve keeping Griefwatch online indefinitely without any major service disruptions. [ Griefwatch Killboards ]
Vrikshaka Insult to Injury	Posted - 2007.07.21 20:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Martyr Theos Edited by: Martyr Theos on 21/07/2007 19:49:55 Will someone tell me how this website's receipt of isk in exchange for services is any different than buying isk? How is it that CCP has not already shut this site's characters out of the the game? Just another example of metagaming destroying the levelness of the playing field. Now if BOB will just purchase this site, they can finish EVE and it will be over. Ebayers take something away from the game. Those who made Griefwatch have contributed something to it. I would personally never buy ISK on eBay or get it from selling GTC's, because it would make my playing experience feel hollow and worthless. With paying my Griefwatch rent however, I have no moral dilemma whatsoever. Here's to hoping that someone is able to take over and keep Griefwatch running. And best of luck with your RL issues Mr. Coolness!!
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:16:00 - [35] This makes me a sad panda ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Dal Rath	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:20:00 - [36] Sorry to hear you are no longer able to run the griefwatch service. I hope a way can be found to keep it going, it's a great resource for the EVE community. I'm interested in some aspects of the sale. You seem to be starting from the premise that your users need to be refunded for pre-paid service they won't receive. How about stipulating that the buyer must continue to provide that service at no additional cost? The purchase of a real life business as a going concern frequently involves transfer of both assets and obligations. On the subject of obligations, what are the server hosting arrangements? Does the buyer take on a co-location contract too, and at what cost? Where is the server currently physically located and does the price include shipping it to some place else? What language is the software written in? That's an important consideration for anyone taking over its care and feeding... Thanks Dal.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:58:00 - [37] Damn shame, Griefwatch was an awesome killboard (and the reason I dropped mine). Very sad to see it go, I'd be happy to take it over but I think I may take water over my head and a price larger than what I can manage, I do wish you the best of luck and hope to see someone give it a new home. If you ever do release the code package in a more (to me) suitable way, I'd do what I can to lay my hands on it. /c Help me help you .

Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 23:45:00 - [38] booooooo sad face . Griefwatch are by far the best kbs imo, and the customer service has been excellent. Best of luck, I really, really hope that someone will be able to take over the killboards, it would be a terrible waste if not. Take care. -----
Ueno Teda	Posted - 2007.07.22 06:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Jeb Coolness Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Just release the source code tbh. Second is the cost of the server which has not made its money back. The initial investment in the server and hosting is about $1,900.00. Put simply, open sourcing the code dumps the investment of the only 2 groups I care about down the drain: My customers and myself. Who ever said a server is supposed to pay for itself? What you have there is a hobby site, eat the costs and deal.
Tamoko Damage Unlimited Inc	Posted - 2007.07.22 07:04:00 - [40] While I've only had the opportunity to use your fantastic service for a short period of time, I'd just like to wish you best in present and future. Don't give those trolls, who want everything on a silver platter, any credit. You are completely within your rights to sell your hard work.
MrBadidea Caldari Definition of the End	Posted - 2007.07.22 07:20:00 - [41] Originally by: Jeb Coolness Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Just release the source code tbh. The reason we're not releasing the source code at this time is because there are 2 investments into Griefwatch that have yet to be repaid. First and foremost is the ~70b ISK that Griefwatch customers have paid to us that they'll now be losing. I understand the desire to get the service for free, but I can't just give away something that people have paid for and yet to receive. Second is the cost of the server which has not made its money back. The initial investment in the server and hosting is about $1,900.00. Put simply, open sourcing the code dumps the investment of the only 2 groups I care about down the drain: My customers and myself. I'd be more than willing to pay the cash for the physical gear. I just don't happen to have the 75b ISK kicking around... --- Your Corporation Management Skills hit Lore Isander, Wrecking for Stolen Hulk BPO.
Logi3 Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.22 09:49:00 - [42] Consider Anders option imo
Demarcus Project Gemini Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.22 11:32:00 - [43] Originally by: Jeb Coolness Originally by: Jaymine Edited by: Jaymine on 20/07/2007 23:35:27 Originally by: Jeb Coolness The details can be found here: Griefwatch Homepage Mods: Sorry in advance if this doesn't warrant a post in this forum. Well the server and domain name are pretty useless without the source code, how about a price for people that dont have the isk for the code and want to purchase everything other then your character outright for $? Edit: Spelling If it weren't for the close to ~70b ISK in pre-payments my customers have made, I'd absolutely consider this. Make maintaining your current contracts part of the sale like a real company would, whomever buys it will want to keep those subscribers anyway. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Demarcus Project Gemini Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.22 11:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Ueno Teda Originally by: Jeb Coolness Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Just release the source code tbh. Second is the cost of the server which has not made its money back. The initial investment in the server and hosting is about $1,900.00. Put simply, open sourcing the code dumps the investment of the only 2 groups I care about down the drain: My customers and myself. Who ever said a server is supposed to pay for itself? What you have there is a hobby site, eat the costs and deal. The server should absolutely pay for itself. I believe he mentioned his add pack was out of date. If someone were to spend some time and effort into generating ad revenue there is no reason a site with that many hits shouldn't be making $5000 a month. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Malazi	Posted - 2007.07.22 12:35:00 - [45] So, how much ($/ú/Ç) for the server & software, if we agree to keep the service up and running and honour all existing obligations, so no customer refunds are required?
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.22 19:03:00 - [46] Has anybody got any ideas on the possibility of reading the Greifwatch mail exports into the Eve-dev Killboard? -----
Lady Galadriel Thief Hunters of Orion's Alliance Safe And Fun Environment	Posted - 2007.07.22 19:17:00 - [47] Edited by: Lady Galadriel on 22/07/2007 19:17:42 What / how much would it take ( Money ) would it take for you to sell the code, and the code alone. Serious offer. and as the poster 2 above .. ther server and code to keep it as a single buisness honering contracts and keeping the service running...
ForumPosterAlt	Posted - 2007.07.22 19:28:00 - [48] You aren't gonna get the isk AND the money buddy. People with that much isk are saving up for something, not to buy griefwatch killboards either. Just sell the server and the source. Although this is a service that CCP should have provided from the beginning...
Nobues Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:26:00 - [49] I would like to say I'm am sorry for this killboard going down, its been used by many people the past year. I will also like to add that, I can import all your killmails from Griefwatch to our killboard, your also get that nice little killsig you all love so much. Please goto my forum post in my sig for more information about this service. Webhosting & Killboard for you, your corp, and your Alliance Click me for more info
Jeb Coolness Esophorics Anonymous	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:39:00 - [50] UPDATE: See Original Post [ Griefwatch Killboards ]
Dave White coracao ardente	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:11:00 - [51] Nice. Who is the new (lucky) owner? Originally by: CCP Wrangler To be completely honest I don't quite understand everything I'm going to say.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:15:00 - [52] gratz Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Spawinte The Templars Knights	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:21:00 - [53] can you announce the new owner here or will they be making their own statement? i dont see why you couldnt just tell us.
Danzig256k Caldari Mortal Devastating Kin	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:38:00 - [54] would it be posible to transfer killboard data for my corp to a new place or get a copy of that data so i can keep it handy? if ya could convo or evemail me please
Chi Canery	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:49:00 - [55] I hope the new owners will also take the time to make sure the site does not get plastered with adverts for the isk sellers.
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:13:00 - [56] I'm glad to hear you found a buyer for the site, guess we might use it a little while longer then. We're sorry, something happened.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:11:00 - [57] Edited by: hydraSlav on 24/07/2007 17:11:23 Oh damn! I am glad i read this AFTER it was announced that Griefwatch will remain. If i've read about it before, i would have been too emo to play the past couple of days. Very glad that GW killboard will continue to run == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat

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