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KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2007.07.21 11:47:00 - [1] An interesting experiment that some people might find interesting. The article is very long but worth a read. This is what happens when to take one of the world's greatest musicians, playing some of the best music penned by the hands of men, played on a Stradivarius violin in rush hour at a metro station ------------- My T2 Shop
Asestorian Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.07.21 12:28:00 - [2] Wow, awesome. To be honest, I'm not sure I would have stopped to listen for very long either. Though I would definitely stop for at least some time to listen. --- ---
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2007.07.21 12:33:00 - [3] I think it's due to schemas; "A pattern imposed on complex reality or experience to assist in explaining it, mediate perception, or guide response." people expect certain things in their enviroment. There's been experiments where people had to go into an office and remember what they saw; things placed in the office people expected to see were far more often remembered (stationary, computers, etc) than things that were unexpected, like a brick on a desk. They expect to see a normal busker so they don't see (or hear in this case) a famous classical musician. And people have got used to ignoring normal buskers on their way to work. It would explain why the child wanted to stop and listen, aside from the iambic pentametre of the mothers heart or w/e, because he hadn't built up any preconceptions or cultural bias - he just heard music he liked. __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.21 13:18:00 - [4] shocked, and amazed. --- truth about EVE: Quote: "Guns are fine, boost players" Quote: "Players are fine, boost guns"
smashsmash	Posted - 2007.07.21 14:08:00 - [5] i don't find it surprising that the average working class person wouldn't recognize a violin player that costs $600+ to see live. i certainly wouldn't have. it is similar to college students not recognizing Nobel laureates or recipients of a Fields Medal walking around their campus. it's a shame we're too busy with people we'll never meet like Paris Hilton to notice people of extraordinary talent walking around town.
Stakhanov kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.07.21 14:26:00 - [6] Quote: Interview magazine once said his playing "does nothing less than tell human beings why they bother to live." So the question is... why do those mindless , tasteless idiots bother to live
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2007.07.21 15:24:00 - [7] Quote: i don't find it surprising that the average working class person wouldn't recognize a violin player that costs $600+ to see live. but a lot of them weren't the average working class person: Quote: almost all of them were on the way to work, which meant, for almost all of them, a government job. L'Enfant Plaza is at the nucleus of federal Washington, and these were mostly mid-level bureaucrats with those indeterminate, oddly fungible titles: policy analyst, project manager, budget officer, specialist, facilitator, consultant. Aditionally, it wasn't really about recognising him personally, the data from the woman who recognised him because she'd recently been to one of his shows was actually discounted. It was about whether people would recognise/appreciate the quality of the music and whether, in turn, that would be enough to make them take time out of their busy schedules and listen. __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.21 19:07:00 - [8] Edited by: Patch86 on 21/07/2007 19:07:44 Not to be banal, but if I need to be at work at 9, and it takes 20 minutes to get to work, I leave at 20 minutes to 9. Usually my only thought in a train station is "O**OO** am I gonna make my train?", and most locomotion through the station is done at a walking speed bordering on jogging. In these usual circumstances, the odds of me hearing and registering enough of any piece of music long enough to make a judgement on whether it's good or not is slim. Even if I registered that it is good, I wouldn't stop, seeing as I'd probably get fired. Beauty is (as Kant says and the article reminds us) merely an opinion, affected by circumstance, context and state of mind. The musician there is undeniably extremely (!!!) good, and the music is equally excellent; but that doesn't give the music a magical property, whereby it can cause commuters to surrender their common sense, forget their priorities, and go into an adoring trance. Music is just music, however perfect it might be. What this article's little experiment says to me is not that "the common American is a soulless, uncultured slob with no respect for music", but more that we tend to attribute both talented celebrities and pieces of high art with properties they do not have. The best song ever written played by the best musician ever born still can't stop time or put crowds in to group trances (whatever Hollywood might lead us to believe)... --------
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2007.07.21 19:34:00 - [9] As said above, people aren't going to stop and miss their train over great music. Should of done it for the afternoon crowed where people aren't in as big a hurry. Or better yet, do it at a mall or museum where people aren't trying to get somewhere important. ----- Any mistake I've made in spelling, grammar, or syntax, as well as any faulty cultural or historical statments should be attributed to me and not my nation of origin.
Asestorian Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.07.21 19:58:00 - [10] Edited by: Asestorian on 21/07/2007 19:58:11 What I got out of the article really was something I already knew. Americans are just way too busy. I recently watched something looking at Americans living here in the UK, and most of them didn't think it was enough like America. Everything was smaller, things were slower paced etc. This goes with what the article said about people in Europe, or outside America anyway: that they would be much more likely to take a while and listen to the music rather than rush on by. Another interesting thing was of course the Concert For Diana, in which someone said that they were amazed that the British were able to appreciate ballet next to popular musicians, and that trying that in America wouldn't go down very well. But that is completely irrelevant. --- ---
ivar R'dhak STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.07.21 20:30:00 - [11] I think pearls before the swine is quite fitting here. This was the station people were getting out of their trains. Not having to rush so not to miss the train. Also one should really put more emphasis on the demographic. Government workers!!! This is a great clue why the country is going to hell in a hand basket. _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2007.07.21 20:41:00 - [12] Edited by: Tarquin Tarquinius on 21/07/2007 20:45:29 I was watching the French movie IndigFnes (English title is Days of Glory), and in one scene the North African soldiers are treated to a ballet. One Algerians reaction sums up my view of most high-brow culture (ballet, opera, etc.): Algerian Soldier: "What is this (crap)" /walks out of theater There was also something very pretentious about the whole article. "Will these classless philistines recognize this magnificence for what it is?" Not everyone likes violin music. IMO fiddle > violin. ----- Any mistake I've made in spelling, grammar, or syntax, as well as any faulty cultural or historical statments should be attributed to me and not my nation of origin.
ivar R'dhak STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:25:00 - [13] Yeah, well. Bunch of quasi barenaked ladies hopping about isn¦t that comparable to good music, IMHO. OMG. Listening to it, especially in the later part, and watching the vids makes it even more depressing. Only good thing about it is that the musician surely got a bit humbled. Humbling is always good. _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:58:00 - [14] Quote: There was also something very pretentious about the whole article. I thought the tone was fairly tongue-in-cheek. Quote: Only good thing about it is that the musician surely got a bit humbled. Humbling is always good. He seemed humble to begin with from the interview...I think agreeing to do it in the first place shows he doesn't take himself too seriously also. __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.07.21 23:11:00 - [15] Would they have stopped if he was a dead guy lying there, or someone had set upon him for his violin? People are so consumed and afraid these days, it doesn't suprise me no one stopped. I would like to see the same experiment with someone like Bono. It would interest me if he was dressed like a bum, how many people would stop vs if he was dressed like a rock star. Which begs the question when do people step outside of their comfort zone?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.21 23:23:00 - [16] Originally by: ivar R'dhak Yeah, well. Bunch of quasi barenaked ladies hopping about isn¦t that comparable to good music, IMHO. OMG. Listening to it, especially in the later part, and watching the vids makes it even more depressing. Only good thing about it is that the musician surely got a bit humbled. Humbling is always good. It was the morning rush hour- people were on their way to work. Never a more rushed or stressful time or way to travel. --------
Lance Fighter	Posted - 2007.07.22 02:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius Not everyone likes violin music. IMO fiddle > violin. That quote is win. Straight off the first line when you look up a fiddle on wikipedia. Originally by: Wikipedia The term fiddle refers to a violin when used in folk music. Win. Being a Fleet Commander and a Arbitrator pilot are the same thing - The only difference being that the Fleet Commander commands other people, and the people actually listen to him.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.07.22 03:52:00 - [18] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: ivar R'dhak Yeah, well. Bunch of quasi barenaked ladies hopping about isn¦t that comparable to good music, IMHO. OMG. Listening to it, especially in the later part, and watching the vids makes it even more depressing. Only good thing about it is that the musician surely got a bit humbled. Humbling is always good. It was the morning rush hour- people were on their way to work. Never a more rushed or stressful time or way to travel. Wouldn't matter to me. Sure, I know that's completely cliche', and it's a lot easier for me to feel that way when I'm not tearing ass through a train station to get to my 9-5. That said, a Stradivarius in the hands of a professional has a distinct sound. Ignoring a Stradivarius is the rough equivalent of ignoring gunfire, without the dying part. I guarantee you it would've stopped me in my tracks. Whether or not I stopped would be entirely dependent upon how much I cared about my job, and I'd have to care a whole helluva lot to not make up some excuse as to why I'm late this once. Face it. Washington bureaucrats are just uncultured swine that wouldn't know a concert violinist playing masterpieces on a one-of-a-kind violin if it jumped up and bit them in the subway.
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis	Posted - 2007.07.22 11:36:00 - [19] Originally by: Amarria Black Face it. Washington bureaucrats are just uncultured swine that wouldn't know a concert violinist playing masterpieces on a one-of-a-kind violin if it jumped up and bit them in the subway. Face it. Their boss would not find "I stopped at the metro station to listen to some guy play music on his violin" as an acceptable excuse to stand there and miss their train and come into work 15-20-30 minutes late. Tough choice, your job or some random guy playing music, what would you pick? Unable to unanchor batteries? Dont dispair, it's not a bug its a feature
Keta Min Armoured Assassins	Posted - 2007.07.22 11:37:00 - [20] reminds me of the guy i've seen about a year ago. he was old, somewhere around 50 i'd say, standing in the pedestrian area in the city center. dressed in some dirty old stuff, unshaved, certainly made the impression of a hobo. he was playing a violin and it wasn't normal street musician quality, it really did sound special. ofcourse it wasn't a stradivarius+bell but it also wasn't a train station during rush hour in america. people were walking around shopping and i still didn't see them stopping to listen. i listened till he finished his piece and put 2 euros in his black wool hat that he placed on the ground. would've given more cause he looked poor and didnt seem to be collecting much but i'm a poor student myself :p
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.07.23 04:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Orion Eridanus Originally by: Amarria Black Face it. Washington bureaucrats are just uncultured swine that wouldn't know a concert violinist playing masterpieces on a one-of-a-kind violin if it jumped up and bit them in the subway. Face it. Their boss would not find "I stopped at the metro station to listen to some guy play music on his violin" as an acceptable excuse to stand there and miss their train and come into work 15-20-30 minutes late. Tough choice, your job or some random guy playing music, what would you pick? If you lose your job outright for being 15-20-30 minutes late once and giving a lame excuse / no excuse, is that really a job you want in the first place? If so, I take deep pity on you. If you had something really pressing, like closing a multimillion dollar deal, an interview for a higher position, etc, then it would make sense. But if you pass up a rare moment of true beauty in your brief little life just to go punch the clock at your 9-5, you should probably go ahead and put a gun in your mouth.
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.23 09:16:00 - [22] One thing I find interesting is their comments about the children who want to stay and watch. It doesn't take someone that good to make children want to stay and watch imo. Anyway, it's not surprising. I'd probably have done the same. There is a lot of good music coming from many street musicians, but that hasn't made me stop so far. 2007-07-19 20:26
Gojyu Gallente Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 09:33:00 - [23] To preface this: I know classical music, and I know good classical music. That said, I've gotta roll my eyes at this experiment. The difference between a world class musician and a street performer might be heard easily in a concert hall, where the acoustics are carefully controlled and all focus is on the performers, but you're not going to hear it in the middle of an arcade with peak hour traffic walking through it. In the last year I'd say I've easily sat through more classical performances than I have movie theatres and I can confidently say that if I was one of those 1000 people that walked by, I wouldn't have noticed anything special about his performance.
mamolian M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.07.23 11:38:00 - [24] Hmm I'm not particularly surprised few stayed to listen, today we have soo much entertainment.. advertisements and crap.. you have to constantly filter out just to have some peace of mind.. times such as being late for work etc.. Is not the time the majority of folks will let their barriers down to appreciate some music. -------------------------------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 11:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Orion Eridanus Originally by: Amarria Black Face it. Washington bureaucrats are just uncultured swine that wouldn't know a concert violinist playing masterpieces on a one-of-a-kind violin if it jumped up and bit them in the subway. Face it. Their boss would not find "I stopped at the metro station to listen to some guy play music on his violin" as an acceptable excuse to stand there and miss their train and come into work 15-20-30 minutes late. Tough choice, your job or some random guy playing music, what would you pick? If you lose your job outright for being 15-20-30 minutes late once and giving a lame excuse / no excuse, is that really a job you want in the first place? If so, I take deep pity on you. If you had something really pressing, like closing a multimillion dollar deal, an interview for a higher position, etc, then it would make sense. But if you pass up a rare moment of true beauty in your brief little life just to go punch the clock at your 9-5, you should probably go ahead and put a gun in your mouth. My boss probably wouldn't fire me if I was 20 minutes late. But he would yell at me a lot, and generally make me miserable. A bit of good music isn't worth that. --------
Mindless Slave	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:48:00 - [26] I am not sure how to take this article as it seems very much like elitism to me. Bell was a good sport to play along with the experiment, but I am not sure the experiment was a good one. For one, you don't see many street musicians in Europe at all, so this same experiment would have to be conducted in Europe under different circumstances and most likely with different music. Maybe an equally talented country music genius performing in ratty clothes to people rushing in to see the championships in soccer? I can't really think of when Europeans are really so rushed as Americans at rush hour. Listening to classical music does not make automatically you complex, and your ability to enjoy it just speaks to taste and nothing else. I believe that Music and art are 100% subjective, and if you have to be trained to appreciate it in then there is something wrong.
Sabriam	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:44:00 - [27] Ahh, I wish I would have been there with my ex boyfriend. he used to hurry me along whenever I would stop to listen to a street performer, and look at me like I was crazy when I would give them money. Would have been great to shove this in his face^^ I probably would have stopped, I love music over almost anything; its very important to me. I probably wouldnt have recognized the true talent of a man playing in a subway station, but if I heard one playing a song like Chaccone I definitely would have stopped and appreciated it.
Mother Clanger M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:58:00 - [28] I'd never heard of Joshua Bell before I read this article. Having listened to that and finding out he's playing here in November, I've found what I'm treating my friend to for her birthday. So thank you for that
Llerrad Gabemid Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:49:00 - [29] ugh... this is dumb. this is just elitists being elitist. And dongs. Lots of 'em.
Epoch	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Amarria Black If you lose your job outright for being 15-20-30 minutes late once and giving a lame excuse / no excuse, is that really a job you want in the first place? If so, I take deep pity on you. Do you live in the United States? Do you have a job. 43 of our 50 states are "Employment at will" states. Whats that mean? It means - If I am your employer, I can fire you for no reason whatsoever. Being late, even once, is grounds for terminating someone immediately. Happens everyday to thousands of people.

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