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Deveraux
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Posted - 2004.01.28 17:44:00 -
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First off, let me say I am not making this post as a member of FA, nor am I representing my corporation either. This is merely for my own curiosity; so please please no flaming here.
My question is this: It has been over two weeks now since you have entered the Fountain Region. I would like to know what, if anything, you feel you have gained for yourself or your corp since attacking FA. |
Stavros
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Posted - 2004.01.28 17:51:00 -
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Speaking for m0o I can say we gained weeks of fun and a few good battles. We have over 100 confirmed bship kills in fountain and only about 6-8 ship losses of our own. We have helped install a friendly alliance to the region, in place of one which openly attacked both m0o and our friends.
All in all a very successful venture I should say.
Although I cannot speak as one of them, I think FE have gained a new home and a productive base to use for mining and npc hunting. From what I understand FE mining ops have already made more than enough to replace and ship losses suffered during their occupation of the area.
Stavros
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.28 17:52:00 -
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The glory of basically embarrassing a whole alliance with a basically a commando fleet of 20 people taking on the combined force of over 1000+ members in an alliance. You all fought well, were respectful, and those in m0o are grateful for that.
However, as a member of m0o recounting the actions in the past weeks, i think it just further proves the profound effect that this corporation has had and will continue to have in player dynamics and player events over all of EVE. And for that i am proud to be a bovine!
m000000000oooooo!!!!
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Marichek
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Posted - 2004.01.28 18:27:00 -
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good work, moo!
and to answer the question, we've gained a region called fountain.
nuff said
DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship. |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.01.28 18:33:00 -
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Lots of fun, lots of arkonor, lots of new enemies 
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Maule
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Posted - 2004.01.28 18:42:00 -
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hmm let me say this: you dont own fountain anymore than Fountain alliance do...
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Ranya
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Posted - 2004.01.28 18:44:00 -
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Speaking for m0o I can say we gained weeks of fun and a few good battles. We have over 100 confirmed bship kills in fountain and only about 6-8 ship losses of our own. We have helped install a friendly alliance to the region, in place of one which openly attacked both m0o and our friends.
The problems with your figures, is that you only count downed m0o ships, yet all hostile kills even if you teamed up with FE/c0w. Also, a lot of the guys on your list aren't actually FA.
Maybe we will see an official statement with FA's kill-list later.
Get yourself an intelligence implant. |
Deveraux
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Posted - 2004.01.28 18:46:00 -
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Seems so far my point is correct. I'm really getting at game mechanics here. When I really think about it; there is nothing to take over, nothing to control in the game. And therefore, nothing tangible and concrete to gain from an "invasion." Also, the whole statement of, "we now CONTROL so and so region," is an debate of itself. How does one control a region anyway? If one side were to just not log in one day, would that mean that the other side who is now logged in 'controls' that region? |
Skillz
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Posted - 2004.01.28 18:55:00 -
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Soon there will come deployable warp inhibitors. Naturally one of the few corporations that can afford them are of course PC pirates.
Your new rulers.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2004.01.28 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Temujin Destovai on 28/01/2004 19:12:52
Just on the side, I went through your kill list and adding up all kills over the last 3 weeks came to the conclusion that 100+ is rather inflated considering you barely reach 80 (FA that is). Although this is still a large number and m0o's combat abilities are certainly impressive, I also have to ammend your 6-8 losses with the 18+ Battleship losses by the FE/c0w/CA since we started keeping track (bit more than a week).
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Deveraux
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Posted - 2004.01.28 19:07:00 -
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Lol, it is just a little flicker right now, but I see this thread turning into an all out flame inferno. Grrr...I should have posted this under an alt character. |
sutty
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Posted - 2004.01.28 19:07:00 -
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skills you still fly a geddon, you cant talk of riches  but seriously, there is plenty of non pirate corps out there who could afford such things.
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.01.28 19:33:00 -
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Lots of fun, lots of arkonor, lots of new enemies
And lots of Aerick and crew. As well as many other FA patrols hitting you everywhere.
Blew up a megathron last night mining with SPV, and each previous night disrupted your mining ops. We have most of your belts bookmarked, and we come with no warning whatsoever.
FE is beginning to learn a hard lesson that any attempt at mining in the region will be a bitter pill to swallow. FA's kill list is growing, and its not even close to what the actual totals are since FE came in. After nearly a month of war with m00, we've learned, we've adapted, we are beginning to overcome.
I'd consider cutting your losses and go back to where you came from, there will be nothing productive for you here. No shame in that...
You cannot cover every miner, every indy, every combat ship. Doing so would be slitting your own throats by scattering your protection force.
The Fountain alliance is very far from dead, we are resolute in one goal which is protecting the citizens of fountain from criminal and genocidal elements that have decided to call Fountain home. This is not your home...
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.01.28 19:39:00 -
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Question is who will M0o prey on when they're through installing pirate friendly alliances everywhere? Curse is in the bag already.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.01.28 19:50:00 -
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Lots of fun, lots of arkonor, lots of new enemies
And lots of Aerick and crew. As well as many other FA patrols hitting you everywhere.
Blew up a megathron last night mining with SPV, and each previous night disrupted your mining ops. We have most of your belts bookmarked, and we come with no warning whatsoever.
FE is beginning to learn a hard lesson that any attempt at mining in the region will be a bitter pill to swallow. FA's kill list is growing, and its not even close to what the actual totals are since FE came in. After nearly a month of war with m00, we've learned, we've adapted, we are beginning to overcome.
I'd consider cutting your losses and go back to where you came from, there will be nothing productive for you here. No shame in that...
You cannot cover every miner, every indy, every combat ship. Doing so would be slitting your own throats by scattering your protection force.
The Fountain alliance is very far from dead, we are resolute in one goal which is protecting the citizens of fountain from criminal and genocidal elements that have decided to call Fountain home. This is not your home...
Yea i'd like some of your happy pills too. Nice fantasy world you have there Che Guevera! 
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.01.28 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 28/01/2004 20:06:57
Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 28/01/2004 20:06:13
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Yea i'd like some of your happy pills too. Nice fantasy world you have there Che Guevera!
Che Guevera at work last night, want some happy pills or perhaps crow to dine on?
The person we nailed was very cordial to me, which was refreshing for a change.
WARNING: naughty music lyrics, you've been warned.
you must have media player 9 or the appropriate codec to view, its also best to right click and use SAVE AS.
FA Interdict Opapprox 12 megs
This was done with mostly frigs/cruisers, 1 bs came as well. You may notice I got splattered by friendly fire, oh well, the life of a kamikaze frig pilot...
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.01.28 20:06:00 -
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Yup, you've really turned fountain into hell for us. We're going back to ES! 
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.01.28 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 28/01/2004 20:22:15
Just for people that have some inability to read what I type I said this
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We have over 100 confirmed bship kills in fountain and only about 6-8 ship losses of our own.
As you can see it says kills IN fountain. Nowhere does it say that there are 100 fa bship kills.
I also said about the 6-8 m0o losses. This is only fair since FE and CA haven't logged their kills in fountain we do not log our allies losses. m0o is and for the foreseeable future will always be an indepedent corp and as such the kill/loss figures reflect that. Before you start saying that not all the kills on the list were carried out by m0o members exclusively, this is also true, but at every kill on the list a m0o member was actively involved in the action.
Also whilst it is a known fact that it is impossible to fully control a region of space, therefore supposed 'ownership' of an area is best defined as being held by the group of people that have the highest degree of control of said area.
I think its fair to assume that right now, FE have the highest degree of control of the Fountain area.
Control is all about sustainability, in order to make it untennable for a group to inhabit one particular area, you have to remove their sustainability IN that particular area.
Ways to do this include blockades and locking down systems and fleet battles.
Ways to not accomplish this are surprise attacks on miners and indies. This is because when ur in a mining ship, be it an indy or a batteship or whatever, chances are you are using stock modules and so insurance will cover the majority of ship cost. The second thing is that guerilla warfare cannot produce the scale of losses neccessary to destabilize a groups control of an area. For every indy u manage to down and for every battleship u kill another 10 or 20 will get through.
Examples of this include CC's continued guerilla tactics inside CA which failed miserably to have any effect even though they were a constant annoyance.
Further to this alot of so called 'guerilla' tactics are based on unbalanced modules and ship setups, mainly caldari. Once these are balanced out this kind of attack will prove even more innefectual.
On a final note, it is interesting to see how the members of the FA are now practicing the pirate way of life, whilst the members of the FE are settling in to the whole mining/region ownership thing quite well. My my how the tables have turned...
Stav
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.01.28 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 28/01/2004 20:18:39
this is one night, you dont want to experience many...
On average, just little me has costed FE about 10+mil a day + free ore + lost productivity due to the fact your miners log or warp to safe spots for hours on end. I also loved it when you decided one frigate was worth pulling 5 bs's off the line in a vain effort to kill me.
Your miners know me pretty well. I'm sure your getting acquainted with Species and crew on the other side as well as the numerous other FA patrols.
Welcome to Fountain.
Stavros, they have control of Assembly in YZ sometimes, I dont know if I call that control of fountain.
You can spin it any way you want, the gist of it is, we aren't going anywhere.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.01.28 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 28/01/2004 20:27:59
Never said you were going anywhere Aerick, but tbh your members will grow tired of being constantly hunted, never being safe and never being able to dock without scouting a station first.
Maybe not all of them and maybe not at first, but the whole thing gets old really really fast.
I've seen it a dozen times and more, at first you get all the defiance and stuff on the forums coupled with active fleets in game. Soon it turns into hatred and anger on the forums and more isolated action ingame, before finally dwindling to nothing.
And tbh 10million a day? You should know that is covered in about 1 indy load of arkanor.
I don't doubt that the former FA will be a thorn in the side of FE for along time to come but there is a difference between being an annoyance and a competitive force for a region.
And still you bring up this misguided notion of control, there is no total control of a region only degrees of it. FE are stronger and have more allies to call on should they need it than FA has right now, ergo they are the strongest alliance in fountain ergo they have a higher degree of control of it than the former FA.
Stav
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.01.28 20:35:00 -
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well considering they rode m0o's coattails into fountain, I will have to disagree with all due respect to you stavros.
The FE guys seem to have not have an answer as to what to do about current and future losses.
Anyhow, this is fun. =)
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Havocide
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Posted - 2004.01.28 20:55:00 -
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what loses? we have taken very slight loses which are being replaced daily as you hide in your stations and at your safe points...
what have we gained you ask? as marichek said, a region called fountain
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.01.28 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 28/01/2004 21:16:02
Sutty, I only use the Armageddon for long range ganking with tachyons, 1400 mm, reactor control units and sensor boosters.
It's the ideal ship for doing that. Just ask half the FA that are doing agent missions in frigs, industrials and shuttles.
Tell them that I sell implants in the Placid regional market as well.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.01.28 21:40:00 -
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Question is who will M0o prey on when they're through installing pirate friendly alliances everywhere? Curse is in the bag already.
No one, with the simple reasons:
- Fountain was the strongest, if not richest alliance of all regional alliances. Maybe not because their experience or skills in pvp but the money to make mistakes and risk ships.
- Stain's activity decreased in their own region due to low ore distribution/hostilities between the C4/Curse alliance. Agent missions, whatever. Stain sometimes has more enemy ships seeking for battle than stain has in any other part of the region.
- Curse giving m0o refugee and shelter to rebuild themselves makes Curse alliance friends of m0o and it wouldnt be wise to attack this region simply because of relations and the fact that unity is what is breaking all the other alliances currently.
- NVA died, due to FE or internal problems. The fact that i had a nap with them and it was broken several times over and over by people chasing me, shooting at me and in any case letting me get out with only my shields scratched. The security was weak and the willingness of members was low to change this, was also confessed by several corporations within the alliance.
- New alliances in the Venal region are still in the process of creating form/strength. How can they oppose a alliance that has the force and is in a good shape and form? They can't... yet..
- CFS seems to gotten their act together, but current investigations by me in this region showed the spreading of forces over 5-6 systems causing a weak defence in cases like m0o has shown: Larger force busting in.
So the only thing that would be a new prey for m0o after the new alliance is installed is all current alliances comming together and focus on 1 target... I think thats not likely.
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2004.01.29 02:05:00 -
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Seems so far my point is correct. I'm really getting at game mechanics here. When I really think about it; there is nothing to take over, nothing to control in the game. And therefore, nothing tangible and concrete to gain from an "invasion." Also, the whole statement of, "we now CONTROL so and so region," is an debate of itself. How does one control a region anyway? If one side were to just not log in one day, would that mean that the other side who is now logged in 'controls' that region?
A region is gained control of by a particular alliance when the other alliance begins moving out, ceases to be able to produce and fails to make any significant stand against the "invaders".
Fountain can now be called FE territory for MOST of the day. Now ship losses cant really be a determining factor as it depends on the Forces ability to replace it. Lets face it if i kill some one with 5 battleships that person is hardly harmed. Yet if i kill some one with one whose corp isnt making the cut to replace it and that individual cant either, then that person is signifficantly deminished in his ability to defend his/her alliance.
Major factor is that less and less battleships belonging to FA have been spotted and engaged. When they are seen the, understandable, operate in superior numbers, otherwise they dont make the attempt.
A count was taken a couple of days ago which really hasnt changed is that 95% of the FE still operate in Battleships, and they are seen and present in Battle.
The FA is undoubtably Hindered greatly by our presence and from being able to rent offices in certain areas where upon our arrival were not available, one may come to the conclusion that several FA corps have moved on to greener pastures, and we respect them and wish them the best of luck where ever they have gone to.
The FA must also now contend with NPCs attacking there miners which draws there defence force away. FE can afford the luxury easily. Now dont get me wrong the FA has been our most courteous and sportiest enemies, so im not flaming. But it has become very evident that FA has been damaged to a large extent.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.01.29 03:23:00 -
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Speaking for m0o I can say we gained weeks of fun and a few good battles. We have over 100 confirmed bship kills in fountain and only about 6-8 ship losses of our own. We have helped install a friendly alliance to the region, in place of one which openly attacked both m0o and our friends.
All in all a very successful venture I should say.
Although I cannot speak as one of them, I think FE have gained a new home and a productive base to use for mining and npc hunting. From what I understand FE mining ops have already made more than enough to replace and ship losses suffered during their occupation of the area.
Stavros
Stav as i understand from your post M00 were up there for fun i can understand but i also have to say from your post you make it look like that you are saying that the FE could not have done it on their own with out the help of MOO which i find kind of funny really as they tried that on venal
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.01.29 05:08:00 -
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Wow that was a nice idea to try and troll up some agro, well done...
Have a STFU cookie!
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Kilroy Kilgore
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Posted - 2004.01.29 08:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kilroy Kilgore on 29/01/2004 08:07:36
I must say the FA has more guts than Venal will ever have. But since my arrival about 2 weeks ago I have seen the ammount of FA battles ships fall dramatically. Now some FA say there are just biding there time, waiting for the oppurtune moment to log in and strike at our black pirate hearts(maybe the weekend warriors?). But everyday I see less and less BSs in FA, for that matter I see less and less FA corps and ships. I know in the past 4 days I have been party to 8 BS from FA taken down and many cruisers and frigs. Just today we intercepted an Indy who donated just over 2 refines of Arkonor to the pirate horde. Last night 5 min before patch time we wacked a FA Megathron. It may be true the FA has deeper wallets than some of us scurvey sea dogs, but what about shear tenacity and relentlessness of the FE and its allies? We shall see who wins this war of harrasment and attrician. But like I stated before you have more guts than Venal does
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Zarthan
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Posted - 2004.01.29 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 28/01/2004 20:22:15
Just for people that have some inability to read what I type I said this
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We have over 100 confirmed bship kills in fountain and only about 6-8 ship losses of our own.
As you can see it says kills IN fountain. Nowhere does it say that there are 100 fa bship kills.
I also said about the 6-8 m0o losses. This is only fair since FE and CA haven't logged their kills in fountain we do not log our allies losses. m0o is and for the foreseeable future will always be an indepedent corp and as such the kill/loss figures reflect that. Before you start saying that not all the kills on the list were carried out by m0o members exclusively, this is also true, but at every kill on the list a m0o member was actively involved in the action.
Also whilst it is a known fact that it is impossible to fully control a region of space, therefore supposed 'ownership' of an area is best defined as being held by the group of people that have the highest degree of control of said area.
I think its fair to assume that right now, FE have the highest degree of control of the Fountain area.
Control is all about sustainability, in order to make it untennable for a group to inhabit one particular area, you have to remove their sustainability IN that particular area.
Ways to do this include blockades and locking down systems and fleet battles.
Ways to not accomplish this are surprise attacks on miners and indies. This is because when ur in a mining ship, be it an indy or a batteship or whatever, chances are you are using stock modules and so insurance will cover the majority of ship cost. The second thing is that guerilla warfare cannot produce the scale of losses neccessary to destabilize a groups control of an area. For every indy u manage to down and for every battleship u kill another 10 or 20 will get through.
Examples of this include CC's continued guerilla tactics inside CA which failed miserably to have any effect even though they were a constant annoyance.
Further to this alot of so called 'guerilla' tactics are based on unbalanced modules and ship setups, mainly caldari. Once these are balanced out this kind of attack will prove even more innefectual.
On a final note, it is interesting to see how the members of the FA are now practicing the pirate way of life, whilst the members of the FE are settling in to the whole mining/region ownership thing quite well. My my how the tables have turned...
Stav
Not going to get to hard into your guys ongoing debate. However I think since you guys lumped all FA kills into one group he was just trying to lump all "invader" kills into one lump. Unless of course all of m0o's kills were with no other pirates of any other corporations in the group, in which case i'd say your initial comparisson was fair. However if you had help when those kills occured i think it's fair to lump all yours together as well. Just a thought ayway i'm outta this thread 
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.01.29 14:38:00 -
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I went to fountain to have fun and that I did.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.01.29 16:17:00 -
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Yup, i was in the northern region of fountain, never made south, had to come back to curse but i had a lot of fun.
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2004.01.29 17:20:00 -
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Stav as i understand from your post M00 were up there for fun i can understand but i also have to say from your post you make it look like that you are saying that the FE could not have done it on their own with out the help of MOO which i find kind of funny really as they tried that on venal
This is very very funny, considering at the last days of the NVA when FE locked venal down for three solid days, you all started begging for mercy and almost all your leadership were ready to begin discussing our terms for the NVAs surrender.
Moo has given us a great advantage as have we it. We in combination with moo can effectively hit a region and lock it down 23/7. By use of Moo & Co.'s UK player base. This union has lead to many wonderful things for both sides. The FE is more than greatful to MOO and we do so enjoy the company of our new friends.
MOO did do a fare sum of the work by initiating the first waves of the invasion, FE came into occupy en force. Together FE and Moo have become one of the strongest forces in EVE.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.29 17:33:00 -
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"This is very very funny, considering at the last days of the NVA when FE locked venal down for three solid days, you all started begging for mercy and almost all your leadership were ready to begin discussing our terms for the NVAs surrender."
... So now it's "begging and NVA's surrender" and no more "merger of two forces for bright future of the northern part of galaxy"?
Funny how quickly things change in some minds. :s
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Halseth
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Posted - 2004.01.29 19:38:00 -
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This is very very funny, considering at the last days of the NVA when FE locked venal down for three solid days, you all started begging for mercy and almost all your leadership were ready to begin discussing our terms for the NVAs surrender. -Christopher Xen
Surrender? Come on, Chris! That is nothing but a blatant lie. You were not even present at the meetings between the FE and NVA. Surrender was never discussed on either side. However, as for locking own a deserted region because everyone was in empire doing agent missions, I'll give you that.
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AntiHero
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Posted - 2004.01.29 20:06:00 -
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Do not attempt to cause a friction between m0o and FE by making ignorant comments to pit us against one another. We (m0o & FE) performed one of the most successful large-scale operations in Eve history. There is nothing you FA guys can say that will change that fact.
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crice
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Posted - 2004.01.29 20:31:00 -
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Stav as i understand from your post M00 were up there for fun i can understand but i also have to say from your post you make it look like that you are saying that the FE could not have done it on their own with out the help of MOO which i find kind of funny really as they tried that on venal
This is very very funny, considering at the last days of the NVA when FE locked venal down for three solid days, you all started begging for mercy and almost all your leadership were ready to begin discussing our terms for the NVAs surrender.
Moo has given us a great advantage as have we it. We in combination with moo can effectively hit a region and lock it down 23/7. By use of Moo & Co.'s UK player base. This union has lead to many wonderful things for both sides. The FE is more than greatful to MOO and we do so enjoy the company of our new friends.
MOO did do a fare sum of the work by initiating the first waves of the invasion, FE came into occupy en force. Together FE and Moo have become one of the strongest forces in EVE.
The main fight came that same night of the Ended Talks of the Merger, the GM's were in place for a Grand One-and For All fight of the Ex-NVA and the FE. It would have been history in the books.
Instead, that night turned into a group Log Out Event for the Ex-NVAr's. Where is the Honor in that?
Fight Proud! Fight to the End! Don't Log Off!
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Jazz Dubois
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Posted - 2004.01.29 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jazz Dubois on 29/01/2004 21:04:27
shouldnt you PA folks be in empire mining veldspar or something? Or are you like taunting the FE to pull a fountain on you in venal?
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Halseth
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Posted - 2004.01.29 21:14:00 -
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Crice, I backed you up with the truth when FE accused you of being a spy. THAT is honor.
Now answer this question; Was "surrender" ever discussed between the NVA and the FE on either side? Yes or No?
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Chode Rizoum
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Posted - 2004.01.29 21:30:00 -
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:) jeah its great down here
Centuria > whoot?
Centuria > you stalking me? :)
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Jhered Stern
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Posted - 2004.01.29 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Jhered Stern on 29/01/2004 22:58:39
First off I would like to say I would quit EVE before I ever betrayed M0o, and any member of Huff who feels otherwise is welcome to leave the corp now.
The FE is committed to M0o and although they choose to remain a separate entity apart from FE they are brothers and sisters in arms.
NVA/PA as far as the word surrender, well no I must admit I never heard that word from either side. However, you were close to merger and had you not touched too much on the "P" word some of you would be FE members and down here slamming FA with us.
As for controlling FA, all I can say is this, I have killed more frigates and crusiers in the last two weeks trying to run our blockades then I have in my 5 months of pirating. Last night I took part in a very successful mining op and I have noticed a large cache of mins and ore in our corp hanger that represent just our share in the ops that have been taking place since we took control of this region.
There were no open stations when we got here now every corp in M0o/FE has an office or one pending.
I have logged on all hours of day and night over the last 3 days and with the exception of a few PA encursions and a few daring FA escape attempts I have seen no resistance.
No one is getting in or out.
(IC)As for the frigate fly guy, Aerick Dawn, I have yet to have seen you. However, I will say this if I see you I will kill you. If you are in a battleship, I will kill you with my battleship, if you are in a crusier I will get my crusier and kill you. If you are in a frigate I will get a frigate and kill you.
Let me catch you out there in Fountain and I'll send you home on the FE *****ed-pod express to your new clone.
As for the rest of you characters whinning and flameing the work of M0o and FE, well I'll call this as I see it....
Quit player hatin foo... you all know you wish it was you on the delivering end of this stick, so quit being hypocrites!
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Posted - 2004.01.29 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Temujin Destovai on 30/01/2004 02:15:39
Its probably more of a timezone thing. The FA pretty much controlled Fountain during the day, we killed 6 battleships and several cruisers while only losing a few cruisers in the process. This went on until later on in the evening during which the timezone differences turned the tables in terms of numbers. But even under these conditions we went on to take down another 2 FE battleships agianst cruiser losses putting todays combat total to 8 - 0 (with about even cruiser losses).
If the FE actually want to stay even in terms of damage done to the enemy they will have to kill more than just a few cruisers and frigates during the time they have the upper hand . Apparently without real fighters like m0o in their ranks FE are quite Forsaken.
(Although they did actually kill 1 battleship today, a civilian Xan apoc, so atleast kudos for that :))
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.01.29 23:42:00 -
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How are you getting those offices? It's not like paying rent has to be manually performed.
No, we're not selling our Fountain real estate.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.01.29 23:57:00 -
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There are few corps that made deals with us and gave up their offices 
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.01.30 00:16:00 -
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The FA should've made it their business to get those back themselves in the first place or at least into the hands of trusted corporations.
Oh well, keep on killing eachother out there, I'll watch it on the news.
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Jhered Stern
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Posted - 2004.01.30 15:13:00 -
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Temujin Destovai,
You logged off a little too soon m8t...
We made a major come back last night and you guys out numbered us 3 1/2 to 1. Your still in the lead if we use yesterday as a starting point but considering total counts since FE's arrival or since m0o first showed up you guys are pretty far behind on kills.).
You all fought well and have our respect but, this weeked will determine if you can sustain victories.
See you in the field...
Jhered out!
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.01.30 15:31:00 -
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Putting in Daddy's kills is bad sportsmanship.
I would just state what FE has done killwise, considering you are a far cry from the combat prowess of m0o.
cheers anyhow, having fun.
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2004.01.30 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Temujin Destovai on 30/01/2004 15:45:56
Well as 5 am my time rolled around I was forced to log, since its really not my time zone, but overall it seems that the FE is seriously lacking in the PvP department without m0o. Although it is true that the kill ratio is skewed toward the side of m0o/FE if you count all the early m0o kills that have taken place during the last 3 weeks, I really don't see the how the FE can claim the glory of another corporation.
Fact is m0o are good fighters and scored some nice kills against us, for which they deserve credit, but with their departure things quickly turned for the Forsaken Empire. Right now I see FE pilots claiming the credit which should be going to their babysitters, while losing ships across the boards. The killcount without m0o presence is staggering, and if the FE want any credit at all they better learn to fight without big daddy breathing down their back leading their every move.
But I guess we will see how the action unfolds in the following days and if FE can actually back up the claims it has been so boldly spreading over the boards.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.01.30 15:45:00 -
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There is one thing that puzzles me now.
This thread was made to ask the invading force a question.
So why are peaple that arent in the invading forces coming to make unneeded remarks and try to start a flame war ?
We [m0o] came to have fun, and that we did, no need to start a flame fest over that.
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Ranya
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Posted - 2004.01.30 16:23:00 -
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Quote:
There is one thing that puzzles me now.
This thread was made to ask the invading force a question.
So why are peaple that arent in the invading forces coming to make unneeded remarks and try to start a flame war ?
We [m0o] came to have fun, and that we did, no need to start a flame fest over that.
Well, I think stavros kinda did the trick with that first reply of his, it was misleading and well, snowballs etc.
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Posted - 2004.01.30 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Saladin on 30/01/2004 18:27:51
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Ways to not accomplish this are surprise attacks on miners and indies. This is because when ur in a mining ship, be it an indy or a batteship or whatever, chances are you are using stock modules and so insurance will cover the majority of ship cost. The second thing is that guerilla warfare cannot produce the scale of losses neccessary to destabilize a groups control of an area. For every indy u manage to down and for every battleship u kill another 10 or 20 will get through.
Examples of this include CC's continued guerilla tactics inside CA which failed miserably to have any effect even though they were a constant annoyance.
Further to this alot of so called 'guerilla' tactics are based on unbalanced modules and ship setups, mainly caldari. Once these are balanced out this kind of attack will prove even more innefectual.
On a final note, it is interesting to see how the members of the FA are now practicing the pirate way of life, whilst the members of the FE are settling in to the whole mining/region ownership thing quite well. My my how the tables have turned...
Stav
I have to say that although I have never been to fountain, I agree with Stav in principle on this. I was watching a WWII movie the other day and it occured to be that the tactic of killing defenseless indies using unbalanced frigate setups closely resembles the U-boats in the North Atlantic commanded by the N a z i regime. The U-boats scored a lot of kills, but the sheer numbers of ships that got through, combined with the patience of Allied Fleets in hunting down and locating the U-boats, led to the success of the Allies in the long term.
I have often come to think of those sad souls in frigates as forgotten pawns in this war, forever condemned to 'dead' space and not knowing it was all in vain. Nevertheless, I tip my hat to these 'dead men flying'
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Posted - 2004.01.30 16:53:00 -
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its too bad that it seems that the FE are the dead men now. They may make a smart move and pull out of fountain before it gets too costly.
We've lost a staggering amount of ships, and we have the resources to lose a ton more. Does FE?
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Acix
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Posted - 2004.01.30 21:27:00 -
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The FA seem to have shown themselves since they heard moo left the area. Surprise ,surprise..........
The next few days will show who can control fountain.
It was nice last night to actually have some battles with the FA instead of just seeing thier scouts warp to 200+km from the gate then warp out all night. Let it go for a few days and see where both sides stand. Don't start grand standing over one nights action, just because it was nearly equal losses.
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Posted - 2004.01.30 21:33:00 -
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Looks like sally the forum warrior sucked cold hard vacuum today...
From the FA kill list for today:
Sally
SPVD
Tempest
Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:35
FA Fleet
Podded: Yes 
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.01.30 22:39:00 -
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Seems peaple dont know what this thread is about, if you arent part of the invading force then the thread has nothing to do with you.
Simple question was asked and many have answered so leave it at that.
If you all want to start tossing around flames and compare skills and kills please make a new thread.
Stay on topic please.
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Zarthan
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Posted - 2004.01.31 00:38:00 -
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Quote:
Seems peaple dont know what this thread is about, if you arent part of the invading force then the thread has nothing to do with you.
Simple question was asked and many have answered so leave it at that.
If you all want to start tossing around flames and compare skills and kills please make a new thread.
Stay on topic please.
i'd suggest not worrying about it as it's a public forum and most topics grow a life of their own. Anyway m0o has pulled may topics off topic so you guys are hardly one's to talk about staying on topic .
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Vultair
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Posted - 2004.02.02 18:06:00 -
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Last night was a bad night for FA and friends. Much Respect to those that fought and died but uh... must admit I smiled a bit more than I should have when SithEwok went down. Catch ya next time Species.
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Posted - 2004.02.02 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Aneu Angellus on 02/02/2004 19:13:55
2004.02.02 18:48:00
For your termination of Dontius Tarris we have paid you the bounty that was set to his head: 3,950,009 ISK... boom goes a Raven
Regards from Fury Inc...
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2004.02.02 19:18:00 -
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Ya the last couple of days have been centered around the FA controlling space during the days and inflicting losses on the FE there and the FE having the numerical advantage during the night time where they manage the occasional kill. But since this thread isnt about that, and I have liked the lack of smacktalk I think we should keep it at.
Good fight guys, the lag has improved and I think both sides are having fun.
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Posted - 2004.02.03 00:29:00 -
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Question is who will M0o prey on when they're through installing pirate friendly alliances everywhere? Curse is in the bag already.
Learn a lesson from the Vikings.
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Acix
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Posted - 2004.02.03 00:34:00 -
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Actually last nights fight happened when we were still out numbered. Not counting alt spies from either side FA still had more in local and more ships in local than the FE. It was only by one or two and that would just throw out the cruisers. Pretty equal fight as far as numbers. The winning side was not scattered around is all. We focused our effort the FA did not. The ships that ran out without gathering too much damage first were your big downfall. I was in a blackbird and had two scorps targeted. They almost went down to 50% shields and they ran before most of my missiles even hit them. The ones that stayed or had no choice in staying died.
If we had not caught the FA with their pants down it wouldn't have been such a lop-sided fight. As it is you lost a lot of battleships in that egagement and we only lost a blackbird.
It was fun tho to have gotten some of our guys online after the football game and finally have near your numbers. Then attack when you had no idea we were going to.
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2004.02.03 00:45:00 -
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Yes I heard the leader of the FA gang made a pretty critical error and paid for it. But you win some and you lose some. At the moment we are winning more than losing and control Fountain during the days again. Look forward to future battles.
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Masi
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Posted - 2004.02.03 00:51:00 -
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FE have nothing on FA. There kills are replaced with already stocked minerals your just wasting time, we kill you more greatly then vice versa, you are nothing without m0o. Respect to m0o
Keep up wasting your time ;)
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Klio
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Posted - 2004.02.03 01:38:00 -
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Please keep this thread ontopic. Cleaned out some of the flamebait.
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Golia
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Posted - 2004.02.05 01:29:00 -
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I have nothing but respect for FE, and I know my corp does as well. A few of us on both sides were talking about a frigate only battle, just for the fun of it. Is anyone still up for this?
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