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Shamis Orzoz
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Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.24 04:19:00 -
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Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 24/07/2007 04:20:11
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2007.07.24 03:59:03 Combat Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II lightly hits Tancred [FRICK](Megathron), doing 52.2 damage.
This evening I watched a FRICK megathron undock from lxw and head to RO9O. So I chased in my vaga. I caught up with him in MA-V. I know FRICK are well respected in the eve community, so I figured this guy might actually be looking for a fight. I made sure to stay out of web range in case he had blasters.
I was so focused on getting him scrambled and staying out of web range, that I never noticed him log out. I was happily digging into his armor when he went poof...
I normally wouldn't bother reporting such a thing. I typically have somewhere between 10-40 people log out on me every month. But FRICK!!! I thought more of you. I hope something is done.
And I'm certain the logout was deliberate. The guy saw me on the gate behind him. He jumped and logged. Then he logged back in about 3 minutes later to see if he was still alive, which he was. He sabotaged his warp and logged out again.
Shamis
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.24 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Khorian
Is this really worth a new topic?
yes. This isn't xelas, this isn't some random carebear corp, this is one of the more respected merc organizations in eve.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.24 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Flying a Vaga is the equivilant of logging off. That is all.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.24 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 24/07/2007 14:31:55
Originally by: Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Like he will come here and cryingly admit his guilt and promises he'll never do it again 
Yeh, logging off is lame, but people are getting fed up seeing the same ships apear on overview too. Vaga, Curse. Theres no end to them, caldari spec vets flying vaga's "cause they cant be killed" are swarming everywhere.
I probably won't ever log, unless its in a fleetbattle 200+ to save my pod. But i cn understand the utter frustration of people to be attacked by ever the same ship over and over and over and over and over and over ..again.
I'm just waiting for the next nerf to these ships so all these caldari spec "flavor of the month" crapola will finaly stop and they move on to another 99% safe way to gank someone. Which will take them anotehr 5 months to train and 9 to fly it properly aka not nooblike damage.
And yes i can fly vaga's too and no i am not bitter i was killed by one.
The vaga was already nerfed. In order to make it difficult to kill you have to spend a lot of money on implants.
Hugins/rapiers do the job just fine. But there is no excuse in a megathron. A solo blasterthron pilot can take out a vaga easy, or at the very least, make the vaga run away. I'm guessing this guy had a fleet fitting on and knew he was dead.
But lets look at legitimate ways this guy could have escaped:
- He could have put on 1 stab! I was by myself.
- He could have stayed on the gate until I aggroed him, then jumped through. In order to force me to aggro he could have tried to warp off the gate.
- once he was gone, he could've made a safespot, waited a little while and then logged.
There really wasn't much of a chance for me to kill him by myself, eve favors runners almost as much as loggers. He was on a gate, and I had no web.
I see no evidence that would indicate that he crashed.The quick login/logout afterward leaves no doubt in my mind.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.24 14:34:00 -
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CCP is the real problem though. Until these things get fixed, eve will be crap:
- It has to be possible to aggro people anytime before their ship disappears
- jumping through gates should NOT clear aggro.
- NPC's need to aggro, or there needs to be a delay on local. Ctrl Q should not be the preferred way of escaping potential hostiles in local.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.24 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 24/07/2007 16:19:06
Originally by: Karlemgne
If you are in a ship and can do nothing to fight back, because you're ECM'd, Sensor Dampened, or being orbited so fast you might as well be one of those other two things, then there isn't much of a fight.
If you fly solo in a fleet fitted megathron without a scout, you deserve to die.
A megathron pilot fitted for solo PvP should be able to either kill or escape from a either a vaga or a curse if he's anywhere near a gate. And he should be able to kill the vaga pilot if he gets sloppy, or doesn't have snake implants.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.24 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: SasRipper
who was it? new guy?
have your tried talking about it in there pub? or mailing a senior meamber?
and are your sure it may not have just been a crash of some discription ?
read the OP for the name. It was a 3 year member of their corp. I did mail the ceo, he said that the guy probably did't log out deliberately. A reasonable response, but I don't think its true in this case.
I could be wrong, but with no major blobs in the area, nobody else in local, and past peak euro times, I'd be shocked if he lagged/crashed/desynched. And I doubt his internet went down becuase he logged right back in. IF that was the case he'd probably stay logged in, but no, he logged back out again to make sure he wouldn't warp back to the gate.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.24 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
I hope something is done.
Such as?
Publicly or privately state either that:
- you don't care
- you are investigating it
- you don't believe me
There are lots of possibilities under the category of something, other than nothing.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.24 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
I'm not sure why you feel this incident, not even 24 hours old, deserves a public post. If you wanted some real answers, if this was that important to you, you could have simply waited a bit and shot me a mail on it (there wasn't one as of an hour or so ago). I'm unclear as to why you felt the need to make a public spectacle out of this. There are some alliances in this game who make it a policy of logging out entire fleets. Where is your indignation about them? 
My apologies for not contacting you. I sent an email to the sharks ceo. I never thought to contact you.
I am very upset with the logging mechanics at the moment, and the constant abuse of said tactics. I guess the only reason I'm making an issue is because I saw FRICK on the ticker and never for a second expected something lame like this.
Its a tribute to your organization that I would even bother mentioning it. And sorry for making it public, but I think I just snapped. I have so many people log out on me every day, to have a FRICK mega do it to me was just too much to bear.
I'm just an old pirate trying to get back to basics, and finding out that the way I used to live is no longer viable due to these game mechanics...i'm rather disgusted.
In fact, rather than even asking this FRICK guy why he logged, I'd much rather have you ask CCP what they plan on doing about it? You are buddy buddy with the CCP crew, I'm sure you could pressure them for an answer much better than me.
So forgive this guy for his logging, and instead direct your inquiry to CCP, ask them if they EVER plan on increasing the time between logout and POOF. Ask them if they ever plan on allowing aggro on a ship before it disappears? Ask them if they think its reasonable to have a PvP game where ctrl q gets people out 90% of the time? Also ask them if they think jumping through a gate should clear all aggro timers?
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.24 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 24/07/2007 22:01:06
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Tassi
Sham is definitly not a bottom feeding forum troll I can assure you this.
Don't you think it's strange that the guy who released Kugutsumen on the community has suddenly developed a sense of e-honour? Doesn't that ring the troll-bells for you?
I have never condoned logging to save one's ship, and we've kicked out at least 20 people in the last 3 years because of it.
Kugutsumen is not part of this discussion, and I won't bother debating about him since I'm certain you believe all of the crap digitalcommunist made up about him.
You've got ex-snigg in your midst, who I'm sure can confirm my sincerity with regards to this issue.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.24 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Neurotic Cat
You on the other hand appear to be a bottom feeding forum troll looking to stir up a little drama storm.
FRICK does not condone logging off to save ships. If this becomes an issue I'll start spanking people. But as of right now this case is closed.
You could have at least pretended like you were going to conduct an unbiased investigation.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.24 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 24/07/2007 23:02:15
Originally by: Julien Derida
I'd love to believe you, as I used to think highly of you. Unfortunately, the way I've seen you behave here and on SHC over the last six months has left me with the sad opinion that you have become a troll. The ex-snigg I know think similarly.
If you were genuinely concerned or disappointed rather than attempting to throw mud at us, why didn't you wait for a private reply to your eve-mail rather than posting this thread 20 minutes after the incident? I can't see any motivation for posting so quickly, other than the desire to cause a public argument.
If I was a troll I would've posted something like this:
A FRICK pilot logged in combat today, its a shame that FRICK would condone such activity, but I guess I can't expect less from a bunch of bob pets. All FRICK pilots are lame loggers.
That's a troll. Enjoy.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.25 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Phelan Lore
Same thing just happened to me tonight. MC raven jumped in on a gate I was on, proceded to type a warning in local then log off.
Quote:
[04:53:14] MynLiu NicAtoch > Hostile vagabond in local
He then logged back on and off again to cloak in a safe.
TROLL
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.25 15:50:00 -
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Wow, I didn't realize MC had such disgruntled carebears.
Sorry for phelan's error. I'm sure he just got confused when people started disappearing from local.
And nobody ever said we were looking for fair fights, just a fair game.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gwoden
what has always *****ed me up about these topic in ANY MMORPG. Is that people whine about wanting fair PVP fights. Those same people whine about how someone saw them and then suddenly logged out. The only reason why someone would immediately log out after seeing a hostile, is to save their arse because they don't stand a chance.
So it's like the whiners want "fair PVP" as long as it means they can whomp on any defenceless target.
I say, if someone decided to log, it wouldn't have been a good fight. Clearly you got the jump on him, or he was not fitted to fight.
That's just one pointless easy PVP fight i don't have to endure.
Piracy was supposed to be a profession in eve. Piracy implies non-consentual PvP for profit. Not fair fights.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.26 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: doctorstupid2
You know, I distinctly recall you logging a raven on me (maller) and someone else (geddon maybe?) in Impass, saying "[sic] why would I stay to fight when I know I can't win?" Hell I probably still ahve the logs. Don't see me starting threads about it, every entity in eve, no matter how respected they may be, has members that forego honor and etiquette in a moment of panic and log.
I probably will regret posting this, as I intended to just move along, but what the hell. Just seems an inane thread to me, slightly hypocritical. I'm not condoning what the pilot did, nor am I condemning you, just a passing observation.
Indeed, there is no point in staying to fight a fight you can't win. However, I'm fairly certain that I would have said that from a safespot, and then logged.
So are you trying to tell me you don't see the difference between logging out in a safespot, and logging out right after you jump so the guy chasing you can't kill you before you disappear?
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