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MSDborris
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Posted - 2004.01.28 18:36:00 -
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im thinking of starting npc hunting ( in 0.8 to start with ) coz a corp mate in a battle ship is being hit hard by 55k npc
im asking this question here to get some opinions on these 3 ships . i know caracal is PvP ship but was wondering is anyone had a npc set-up for it. ?
any tip to npc hunting would be good i have the minerals on sale to earn me some cash. so i have enuff money to buy one i chioce. i only have hybrid weapons train'd so i wont be useing proj or lasers ( Caldari / Gall ships ) hybrid gun'z. i have Very Weak Gunnery Skills
My attrib are 14,14,14,13,14 all learning at lvl 5 most nav at lvl 4
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.01.28 18:47:00 -
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Use either a Moa or a Thorax with 250mm rails, and maybe a 150mm rail.
The Caracal is uesless for NPCs.
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Araviel
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Posted - 2004.01.28 19:01:00 -
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i hunt in empire controlled 0.0-0.1 space whit a thorax fitted whit 3 250mm rails and 2 dual 150mm prototypes. i adjust all the guns whit ammo to have a optimal of 20k,
the thorax is a great NPC hunter, and the drones are great at the times the NPC's MWD on you. the only drawback whit the thorax is its cargo space, therefor i always have some secure cargo cans around or hunt nearby a station.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.01.28 19:59:00 -
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Forget about using a Caracal as a NPC hunter.
They kill NPCs just fine but the cost of ammo (missiles) is brutal and you will likely lose money chasing NPCs with it. I only use missiles against NPCs if they get a little too uppity and need a quick smack down.
Moa or Thorax are very good NPC hunters. Amarr ships are the best however as they have no ammo requirements for lasers (of course you can mount lasers on any ship but Amarr get a ship bonus for those in addition to better cap to run them).
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.01.29 02:17:00 -
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If you insist on using the Caracal as an NPC hunter---it can do it. Best to fit with antimatter ammo and if possible, used named 250s.
If you're hunting Angels and Guristas, finding missiles are not a problem. I often use loot missiles and fire them to help clear the cargo bay. Anything from rockets to FOF heavies.
The 2 250mms is more than enough to handle frigat level NPCs up to 15k. If you're fighting cruiser NPCs (30K and above) they're so tough now (and especially you're very likely to meet more than one of them), you're going to be shooting missiles anyway to save your life.
One time I was deliberately hunting Serpentis 15k rats to obtain a certain module (namely small named neutron blasters). I got jumped upon by a Serpentis on a Thorax followed by two in Exequerors. They gained rapidly on me, ready to eat me with blasters. I turned tail and I shot and shot from my launchers along with my 250s, until all of them went down.
From that day on, I can never say a Caracal ain't good for hunting. In fact, I feel a lot better hunting if I have missile launchers as a backup for tight situations.
One thing a Caracal has over a Moa and a Thorax is the enormous cargo bay that you can hold stuff. I often find many abandoned cans in belts, which many people think are useless. In one occasion, one abandoned can I picked up with my Caracal had an ECM multispectral inside---and these cost you hundreds of thousands in the market.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.01.29 03:40:00 -
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And one more thing, I vouch for using a Celestis though, although you won't go wrong with either a Moa or a Thorax as well.
The Celestis is the only cruiser in the game that has both a hybrid damage bonus and missiles, along with an ample drone space. Without costing as much as a Moa or Thorax, the Celestis is a much more well rounded cruiser than the Caracal or any of the above. You get a large CPU, 3 turrets with hybrid damage bonus, 2 launchers (H-50s are recommended), and four low slots for relays, diagnostics, and weapons mods, and 800m3 of drone space.
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"Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
"Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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Ada Isdead
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Posted - 2004.01.29 03:41:00 -
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I used to use a Celestis (lost it today to a moment of inattention and Schmidt).
It's ok for NPC hunting, i've taken out Sancha's juggernauts and other ~50k NPC cruisers.
The main reason for getting it is the dual launchers, I used defenders in 1, and random looted missiles in the other.
But to be honest it's not worth it, when your kiteing the defenders fire forwards and then tend to miss the missiles they are tracking before they hit you, and so are not really that useful.
A thorax with 3 or 4 250's and a small smart bomb or too will be just as good, and the thorax's extra low slot and bigger grid is an advantage.
Celestis does have more speed and cargo tho.
On bit of advice for NPC hunting that has stood me well is to have a thermal and EM shield hardner and fit one or the other depending on weither you are going up against laser of hybrid using NPC's it makes a nice bit difference.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.01.29 04:24:00 -
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Forget about defenders. Use FOF missiles.
Why?
Because FOF missiles have a habit of targeting the NPC that is scrambling or webbing you, or the NPC that poses the greatest threat to you. This is especially so if there is a group of NPCs coming down on you and you can't tell which is which.
If you see your FoF heading towards one particular NPC---target it with your guns. Killing the webber/scrambler is enough to help me break out of a nearly dead situation and warp away.
I don't like using a Thorax with four rails and a smartbomb since I can do the same with a Vexor. Better yet, a Maller can do it with five rails and still have a smartbomb extra.
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"Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
"Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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Lysanne
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Posted - 2004.01.29 09:51:00 -
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first thing we need to know is always WHAT KIND OF NPC PIRATES
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.01.29 12:05:00 -
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Thread about the Caracal, it's not as bad as people think at npc.
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Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2004.01.29 15:07:00 -
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Celestis is a cool little ship. Great fitting stats . . . you can slap on 2x 250 rails and a dual 150 or single 150 no problem. Add a couple of standard launchers for heavy missiles and defenders and you got a nice little hunting ship.
Thorax is bar-none though with 8 heavy drones. Just make sure you know how to use a smartbomb to kill missiles.
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MSDborris
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Posted - 2004.01.29 16:00:00 -
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im thinking of starting npc hunting
im asking this question here to get some opinions on these 3 ships .
any tip to npc hunting would be good.
I only have hybrid weapons train'd so i wont be useing proj or lasers ( Caldari / Gall ships ) hybrid gun'z.
I have Very Weak Gunnery Skills <-- I think some ppl missed this line
Thank You for the Advice. ill have to mess around with my cara. ill re-fitt it to earn some cash doing npc hunting ( looks like ive got more skills to train. ive got most of the gunnery skill son lvl 1/2 so im not gonna be fitting my ship and going fighting 2morow but more like next week.
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Lentia
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Posted - 2004.01.29 20:08:00 -
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there is alot to consider when npc hunting.
1. Which rats and how big the bounty?
2. What kind of damage do they do (EM, therm/kin)? Makes a diffence for shields/hardners.
3. What are thier optimal ranges? do they close in like 20k serpentis or stay back with missles like 50k gurristas?
4. What is your optimal range, do you want to hang back with rails or close in with blasters?
You will find out that all the gunnery skills are eventually needed, plus most of the elec, and eng skills, esp all the energy and shield ones.
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Ukiah
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Posted - 2004.01.29 20:14:00 -
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Forget about defenders. Use FOF missiles.
Why?
Because FOF missiles have a habit of targeting the NPC that is scrambling or webbing you, or the NPC that poses the greatest threat to you. This is especially so if there is a group of NPCs coming down on you and you can't tell which is which.
If you see your FoF heading towards one particular NPC---target it with your guns. Killing the webber/scrambler is enough to help me break out of a nearly dead situation and warp away.
I don't like using a Thorax with four rails and a smartbomb since I can do the same with a Vexor. Better yet, a Maller can do it with five rails and still have a smartbomb extra.
Ooh. Good tip, didn't think of that.
I agree with Slithereen, I happen to think Celt is a far better ship than the Thorax.
It has the additional bonus of NOT looking like a space going phallus.
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Cabadrin
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Posted - 2004.01.30 08:14:00 -
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I mount 5 250mm cannons on my rax when npc hunting. 2 cap rehcargers, a med neutron shield booster, 4 reactor control 1's and a damage mod round it out. With uranium M I hit ~120 per turret at 20km (opt) and my drones ensure that nothing gets too close. I've used it to successfully chain dozens of times. As long as you keep a healthy stash of ammo, you'll be fine.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.01.31 12:04:00 -
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I use a Moa to hunt NPC and it give very good results. I can handle a cruiser with frig escort, or a decent group of frigs, but not 2 NPC cruisers at the same time.
I currently use 3*250mm rails with thorium ammos, and 2 medium missile launchers, fitted with defender or havocs, depending of the situation.
I'm trying to cram 4*250 AND a MWD inside it, but I don't know yet if I'll manage it.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.01.31 14:27:00 -
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I currently use a Thorax with the following setup:
3x 250mm Compressed Coil I
2x Micro SB
1x 10MN MWD
2x Medium Capacitor Battery I
2x RCU I
1x Cap Power Relay I
1x Basic Co-Proc
1x Fourier Tracking
It's a tight fit, but it works. This setup is best against missle shooting NPC's due to the SB's. I activat them with a delay and very seldom do a missile punch through my missile screen.
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Jargo Stonecutter
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Posted - 2004.01.31 18:50:00 -
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Use a Thorax with:
Hi:
5x Heavy Ions
Med:
1x Med Shield Booster
2x Shield Hardener
Low:
3x Cap Power Relay
1x Dmg Mod
1x Small Armor Repair
You better be sure what kind of npcs your fighting to fit the optimal hardeners! 
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.01.31 23:19:00 -
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Use a Thorax with:
Hi:
5x Heavy Ions
Med:
1x Med Shield Booster
2x Shield Hardener
Low:
3x Cap Power Relay
1x Dmg Mod
1x Small Armor Repair
You better be sure what kind of npcs your fighting to fit the optimal hardeners!
Close range combat, interesting. Most people, myself included, prefer fighting NPC's from afar. It's less risky.
The trick then is fightin either Serpentis because they will not shot at you before you can shot at them, same weapon, or ranged NPC's to use the fact you get close to your advantage.
I wonder if NPC's can track no matter how close you are?
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2004.02.02 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Dash Ripcock on 02/02/2004 11:40:40
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I employ CQB tactics against NPCs as well, although I rarely do it on my own. I use a Thorax with the following set-up:
High
3 * Heavy Neutron blasters w/ AM
2 * 150MM Rails w/ Thorium
Medium
10Mn MWD
X5 Webifier
Medium Shield Booster
Low
Warp Core Stabiliser
4 * Cap Relays
Drones
8 * Wasps
Generally when I am defending a mining op or taking part in a rat-hunting expedition, I do the following:
* Charge headlong into the rats using the MWD
* Start attacking the second largest rat with the 150s once I am within 15Km
* When I get within 10Km of the largest rat, I switch off the MWD and begin to orbit at 1Km, targetting the big rat with the webifier and neutrons
* Then, and only then, do I deploy the drones to gobble up any smaller ships or to help me with the big boys
This set-up has never failed me outside of 0.0 space, and it even works on large spawns providing you have someone a) providing long-range cover and b) not using missiles. Also, it would appear the rats do have tracking issues, because once you get really close the guns don't hurt as much, and they fire missiles less frequently.
It's really a set-up designed for 1 on 1 PvP fighting, but I can rarely be arsed to either trek around picking up my 250s, or to fiddle around with fitting them. It also gets kudos from your corp members; charging headlong into a rat spawn gives the impression you have big c0j0nes
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.02.02 11:46:00 -
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Aye, the thorax is a supreme NPC hunting cruiser. Heavy drones are a definite god send for NPC's.
Another cruiser to think about for NPC hunting is a rupture. Run 4 projectiles and 2 launchers, and whack shield hardners and boosters in the med, cap relays in the lows and you have a cruiser that can take one helluva pounding from NPC's.
Since projectiles don't eat cap, you can run the shield boosters/hardners all the time and just sit there with defenders/FoF in the launchers.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2004.02.02 11:51:00 -
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Talking of the Thorax, I have been away from the game for a bit, and won't be on for another week. Does anyone have a link so I can view the Thorax in its re-skinned glory, or do I have to wait a week 
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Denst Rowell
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Posted - 2004.02.02 12:30:00 -
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im quite happy sitting in my rupture 45k away
taking out 75k rats with heavy missles and emp 650mm cannons 
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MSDborris
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Posted - 2004.02.02 17:03:00 -
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tons of good posts thnx for setups... most ppl perfer thoarx so it seems..
when is tarted this thread i missed talking about the Moa ive been lookin at eve-db at stats and its got lots of shields and might be able to last a while in fights with 4-5 low slots.
atm im hunting serps 12k-15k with a few 25k-50k one off spawns not hardest but im making a profit from useing hvy missles.
ive come across a few hybrid dmg mods so ill think somemore about my setups and ive got elec 4 eng 4 and weapon upgrades 4 so i should be able to fit any ship the way i want. ( getting skils up a few lvl's across my char b4 getting into deep combat alone. )
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