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Anwylyd Al'Vos
Minmatar
Furian Alive
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:18:00 -
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In my opinion, the Amarr "religion" is similar to the *** in that it is to Christianity as terrorism is to Islam. The one justification I have, as a Christian myself, to play in the anti-Amarr rp that is Minmatar.
My question is for other Christians(if any) that play as Amarr. What makes you able to play such a blatantly non-biblical religious person in rp?
(I'm just curious, this thread is not for argument, I will ask that any hostile remarks be kept in the minds of those wishing to voice them)
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:22:00 -
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:22:00 -
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You might want to look back into the history books and see how medieval Christian religion was like, then compare it to Amarr's form of religion... you will notice a striking resemblance.
Or, for that matter, look at Egyptian pharaohs.
Only in "modern times" Christianity moved (slightly) away from those practices.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Anwylyd Al'Vos
In my opinion, the Amarr "religion" is similar to the *** in that it is to Christianity as terrorism is to Islam. The one justification I have, as a Christian myself, to play in the anti-Amarr rp that is Minmatar.
My question is for other Christians(if any) that play as Amarr. What makes you able to play such a blatantly non-biblical religious person in rp?
(I'm just curious, this thread is not for argument, I will ask that any hostile remarks be kept in the minds of those wishing to voice them)
The whole Amarr thing always reminded me of Warhammer 40k personally; immortal emperor, death before dishonour, Amarrian racial/species superiority over all others.
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Aran Cole
Minmatar
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:27:00 -
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A better question would be why do you base your RP decisions on your OOC faith?
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Anwylyd Al'Vos
My question is for other Christians(if any) that play as Amarr. What makes you able to play such a blatantly non-biblical religious person in rp?
As long as you are capable of separating in-game RP and your beliefs in real life, I don't see any problems. Though I can't be positive, I imagine Jesus knows that you aren't actually interested in enslaving an entire race. 
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:28:00 -
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The backstory of Eve with the different races are a different social evolutionary path to that of what we know here at the moment. Who is to say what will come of the distant future and how things will change from what they are now.
As for the Amarr being 'blatantly non-biblical' they don't have to be directly biblical. They are their own people. And people can RP them aside from their real world views because it is only pretend. I would guess a lot of Amarr RPers are religious themselves, or at least they have moral values akin to that dictated in religion. That doesn't mean that they would not be able to play anything different than what they are behind the keyboard.
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Terraform
Gallente
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:29:00 -
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ew.. warhammer 40k...
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Anwylyd Al'Vos
Minmatar
Furian Alive
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Though I can't be positive, I imagine Jesus knows that you aren't actually interested in enslaving an entire race.
Heh, true... thanks for all the feedback.
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Matroshka
Crimson Squall
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Anwylyd Al'Vos
My question is for other Christians(if any) that play as Amarr. What makes you able to play such a blatantly non-biblical religious person in rp?
Because it is an internet spaceship game. I also do not practice slavery or pirate in rl. 
Really though, why would that affect you?
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Aran Cole
Minmatar
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:36:00 -
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Oh wait, so the rest of you aren't actually enslaving lesser beings in real life? Whoooooooops 
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Aran Cole
Oh wait, so the rest of you aren't actually enslaving lesser beings in real life? Whoooooooops
Just like I don't actually go round killing slavers and liberating their slaves...
*Gets his Khumaak and starts polishing it*
So... where do you live anyway Aran?
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: JamnOne on 25/07/2007 19:42:00
Edited by: JamnOne on 25/07/2007 19:40:31
Originally by: Anwylyd Al'Vos
What makes you able to play such a blatantly non-biblical religious person in rp?
Before I answer this question, please explain what you mean by this comment "blatantly non-biblical religious person".
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Vizranuh
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Vizranuh on 25/07/2007 19:45:43
It's a game.
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Nicho Void
Gallente
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Vizranuh
Edited by: Vizranuh on 25/07/2007 19:45:43
It's a game. Go outside.
Fixed.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Shakor
Originally by: Aran Cole
Oh wait, so the rest of you aren't actually enslaving lesser beings in real life? Whoooooooops
Just like I don't actually go round killing slavers and liberating their slaves...
*Gets his Khumaak and starts polishing it*
So... where do you live anyway Aran?
I would assume that part of this is due to the fact that you don't really have very many slavers around you to kill.
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Seishomaru
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:52:00 -
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If ammar are close to a religion of RL that is christianism, not islamism.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 25/07/2007 19:54:50
Originally by: Seishomaru
If ammar are close to a religion of RL that is christianism, not islamism.
As I was saying, medieval time Christianity, to be more accurate.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 20:08:00 -
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Byzantine Christianity would be the closest to it, though its still a false comparison.
There is no Pope vs King relationship with Amarr, for one.
That said, its best to take it as it is. A make believe monothiestic imperialist state religion with its own traditions and values that really doesnt have anything to do with any modern religion.
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.25 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Nicho Void
Originally by: Vizranuh
Edited by: Vizranuh on 25/07/2007 19:45:43
It's a game. Go outside.
Fixed.
In the time you spent fixing that you could have gone outside for a little while.
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Annika MonSulu
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Posted - 2007.07.25 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 25/07/2007 19:54:50
Originally by: Seishomaru
If ammar are close to a religion of RL that is christianism, not islamism.
As I was saying, medieval time Christianity, to be more accurate.
Christianity revolves around one key detail. I have yet to see anything in Amarr culture to lead me to believe that they have accpeted the Christ as their one saviour and Lord and that only through Him, can they be saved. As such, it is impossible to say Amarr are even close to the same; as that is the one key theology that Christianity stands on...without it, its just a Jewish cult.
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Annika MonSulu
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Posted - 2007.07.25 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Byzantine Christianity would be the closest to it, though its still a false comparison.
There is no Pope vs King relationship with Amarr, for one.
That said, its best to take it as it is. A make believe monothiestic imperialist state religion with its own traditions and values that really doesnt have anything to do with any modern religion.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.07.25 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Annika MonSulu
Christianity revolves around one key detail. I have yet to see anything in Amarr culture to lead me to believe that they have accpeted the Christ as their one saviour and Lord and that only through Him, can they be saved. As such, it is impossible to say Amarr are even close to the same; as that is the one key theology that Christianity stands on...without it, its just a Jewish cult.
Oh, sorry, you're right.
I always confuse ridiculous common-core religions.
Amarr are somethink of a mix of what a "traditional hebraic" religion replacing christianity would have been like in the midle ages.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.25 20:32:00 -
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The Amarr are exactly like a 20,000 year future version of a sect called The Conformists, who broke off from the Catholic Church 1,000 year in the future.
Duh.
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podadot
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Posted - 2007.07.25 20:33:00 -
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Read Pax Amarria to get an insight
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Virvana Sharpur
Amarr
Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.25 20:35:00 -
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It's actually very easy to be a Christian in Amarr (if that even makes sense  ). This is how I view things:
Everything morally good in the Amarr Empire comes from it's faith. Everything morally corrupt in the Amarr Empire comes from encroaching secularism, and a reliance on technology.
For example, look at slavery. It became a morally corrupt institution because of industrialization, and modern techniques of coersion (vitoc). This causes dehumanization, just like it does in our own society. In fact, the reason I chose to play an Amarr is because it was the best place to take a moral stand against irresponsible secularism.
But the Amarr Empire didn't always act that way. I suspect it was primarily an agricultural and guild shop culture until interstellar travel, meaning most industry took place in the home. In a sense, slaves were part of the household, and part of the family. Would we, or rather, could we treat slaves poorly, when they lived alongside us in our own homes, tending our children, and they, ours?
Yes, slaves were treated with discipline, but probably a whole lot less discipline than our own Amarr children. After all, the slaves aren't God's chosen, and so their moral failings are understandable. The Amarr holders themselves were self-disciplined due to their strong conviction that their actions would be judged. In fact, that's the one thing that prevents the Amarr Empire from being an abject tyranny, in my opinion.
That doesn't mean that the Amarr Empire is morally just all of the time. It's a large empire, and at times, a brutal empire; though I'm convinced that this isn't because of it's religion, but it's use of religious rhetoric to justify blatantly secular aims. Aims that I reprimand those Sarum and Tash-Murkon about on Amarr channel when I have the opportunity .
So, in short, there is no conflict between my faith, and the faith I roleplay. In fact, I'm convinced I couldn't realistically play an Amarr character without my faith, and I wish more players of conscience would play as Amarr.
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.25 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Stitcher
In short, asking asking a Christian player why they are capable of a non-biblical religious person is a bit like asking a homosexual actor how he is capable of playing Romeo.
Pretend Juliet is a guy ? 
Cuuuut! Cut!
Listen, how many times we gotta tell you, its JULIET not JULIO 
Alright, take 3, ACTION!
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.25 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Stitcher
In short, asking asking a Christian player why they are capable of a non-biblical religious person is a bit like asking a homosexual actor how he is capable of playing Romeo.
Pretend Juliet is a guy ?
Cuuuut! Cut!
Listen, how many times we gotta tell you, its JULIET not JULIO
Alright, take 3, ACTION!
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Anwylyd Al'Vos
Minmatar
Furian Alive
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Annika MonSulu
Christianity revolves around one key detail. I have yet to see anything in Amarr culture to lead me to believe that they have accpeted the Christ as their one saviour and Lord and that only through Him, can they be saved. As such, it is impossible to say Amarr are even close to the same; as that is the one key theology that Christianity stands on...without it, its just a Jewish cult.
Agreed 100%
Originally by: Stitcher
In short, asking asking a Christian player why they are capable of a non-biblical religious person is a bit like asking a homosexual actor how he is capable of playing Romeo.
That is the best argument I have heard yet... thanks to all those that chose to be constructive in they're feed back...
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Anwylyd Al'Vos
Minmatar
Furian Alive
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Annika MonSulu
Christianity revolves around one key detail. I have yet to see anything in Amarr culture to lead me to believe that they have accpeted the Christ as their one saviour and Lord and that only through Him, can they be saved. As such, it is impossible to say Amarr are even close to the same; as that is the one key theology that Christianity stands on...without it, its just a Jewish cult.
Agreed 100%
Originally by: Stitcher
In short, asking asking a Christian player why they are capable of a non-biblical religious person is a bit like asking a homosexual actor how he is capable of playing Romeo.
That is the best argument I have heard yet... thanks to all those that chose to be constructive in they're feed back...
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Cornucopian
Gallente
Dutch Omega
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Cornucopian on 25/07/2007 21:10:05
request for a lock.... I find this christian superiority trip related to a piece of ingame storytelling to be incredibly offensive: also it is intensly small minded to compare Amarr to ANY religion.....
it is comparable to me getting my panties in a bunch because the Jedi are somewhat unrealistic. get a GRIP already.
freedom of speech, creative license etc: CCP created a fine backstory for the Amarr, leave it at that. THE AMARR FAITH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY REAL LIFE RELIGION YOU MORONS.
also I find the derogatory comments made in this thread with regard to judaism and the islam extremely ignorant.
kindly lock this thread.
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Stitcher
In short, asking asking a Christian player why they are capable of a non-biblical religious person is a bit like asking a homosexual actor how he is capable of playing Romeo.
Pretend Juliet is a guy ?
To be fair, in Shakespearian times they didn't need to pretend...
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Cornucopian
Gallente
Dutch Omega
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Cornucopian on 25/07/2007 21:19:19
edited like three times now.....
chirstianity is about forgiveness??????? say that to the inquisition and the witchhunters, the missionaries who went to africa... the silent church during WWII.... must I go on?
Christianity, like every religion, moves with the times and changes its marketing scheme every few hundred years....
I sincerely hate people bringing OOC religion into a computergame called eve: are you guys reading what the OP is SAYING? the amarr look religious; but they are baaaaad men, so I will play minnie, so I can feel good about myself.... I mean, he must have the IQ of....well....SAND
non religious person signing off.....
BAH
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Stitcher
In short, asking asking a Christian player why they are capable of a non-biblical religious person is a bit like asking a homosexual actor how he is capable of playing Romeo.
Pretend Juliet is a guy ?
To be fair, in Shakespearian times they didn't need to pretend...
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Annika MonSulu
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
By the way I think the Amarr religion matches 1920's conservative Christianity to a tee. It's basically the K.K.K. complete with hoods and all.
This made me ROFL. I suppose Gallante religion matches 1850's liberal Polynesian religious practises to a tee as well. Complete with grass skirts and coconuts. |
Annika MonSulu
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
By the way I think the Amarr religion matches 1920's conservative Christianity to a tee. It's basically the K.K.K. complete with hoods and all.
This made me ROFL. I suppose Gallante religion matches 1850's liberal Polynesian religious practises to a tee as well. Complete with grass skirts and coconuts. |
Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Annika MonSulu
Complete with glass skirts...
Fixed 
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Annika MonSulu
Complete with glass skirts...
Fixed
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Stitcher
In short, asking asking a Christian player why they are capable of a non-biblical religious person is a bit like asking a homosexual actor how he is capable of playing Romeo.
Pretend Juliet is a guy ?
To be fair, in Shakespearian times they didn't need to pretend...
TouchTe™
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Annika MonSulu
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Annika MonSulu
Complete with glass skirts...
Fixed
Were it just the women that wore them...I would agree....but men wore them as well...and men in glass skirts...honestly...I would just as soon avoid seeing that...ever. |
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Stitcher
In short, asking asking a Christian player why they are capable of a non-biblical religious person is a bit like asking a homosexual actor how he is capable of playing Romeo.
Pretend Juliet is a guy ?
To be fair, in Shakespearian times they didn't need to pretend...
TouchTe™
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Annika MonSulu
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:11:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Annika MonSulu
Complete with glass skirts...
Fixed
Were it just the women that wore them...I would agree....but men wore them as well...and men in glass skirts...honestly...I would just as soon avoid seeing that...ever. |
Maggot
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:15:00 -
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In RL I run a sweatshop holding 200 people in cramped conditions and pay them a dollar a day minus rental for the tools they use. However in Eve I play a freedom fighter. How ironic is that, gives me one hell of a buzz though before I get back to checking on the 'workers'.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 25/07/2007 21:16:06
Originally by: Annika MonSulu
Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Annika MonSulu
Complete with glass skirts...
Fixed
Were it just the women that wore them...I would agree....but men wore them as well...and men in glass skirts...honestly...I would just as soon avoid seeing that...ever.
Why, are you a homophobic guy playing a female avatar ?
Or a really prude female ?
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Kasak Black
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:16:00 -
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Last time I checked this was a Game? Someone please let me know if that changes!
kthnxbye.
Oh and get a life.
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Anwylyd Al'Vos
Minmatar
Furian Alive
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:17:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Maggot
In RL I run a sweatshop holding 200 people in cramped conditions and pay them a dollar a day minus rental for the tools they use. However in Eve I play a freedom fighter. How ironic is that, gives me one hell of a buzz though before I get back to checking on the 'workers'.
Hehe, nice
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Annika MonSulu
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 25/07/2007 21:16:06
Originally by: Annika MonSulu
Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Annika MonSulu
Complete with glass skirts...
Fixed
Were it just the women that wore them...I would agree....but men wore them as well...and men in glass skirts...honestly...I would just as soon avoid seeing that...ever.
Why, are you a homophobic guy playing a female avatar ?
Or a really prude female ?
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Annika MonSulu
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:28:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Maggot
In RL I run a sweatshop holding 200 people in cramped conditions and pay them a dollar a day minus rental for the tools they use. However in Eve I play a freedom fighter. How ironic is that, gives me one hell of a buzz though before I get back to checking on the 'workers'.
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Azirapheal
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:31:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
The whole Amarr thing always reminded me of Warhammer 40k personally; immortal emperor, death before dishonour, Amarrian racial/species superiority over all others.
didnt realise you were a fellow gamer. and yeah its quite like that.
to be honest it was the ship design more than anything else that attracted me to amarr, and the idea of using lasers, and the line about "capacitor"
and i like the idea of the minmatar making a name for themselves (in everything but ship design... muahahahah)
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:33:00 -
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Roleplay is the work of the devil!!!!!!
I'm guessing there are 2 extremes, the ones who think its a game and as long as you stay true to your faith out of game your fine, and the other where if you even think of other religions, or even rp that you are doomed to an eternity in the fiery brimstone.
must say i havent looked at the rp aspect of the amarr religion other than they they are a religious race. although i like my caldari mega corp domination ftw!!!
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