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Miss Whippy Bloody Limeys 38	Posted - 2012.01.11 14:29:00 - [1] - Quote I don't know what the general concensus is on the UI, but my personal opinion is that the UI is 1. A Click fest. 2. Hard to easily use on a high resolution screen. 3. Highly unintuative in places. 4. Buggy as hell. 5. A window fest. 6. Slow to navigate. 7. Almost completely uncustomisable. There are millions of individual examples, too many to name. So anyway, I was wondering who would be prepared to sacrifice an ENTIRE expansion (assuming that would be necessary), to making the UI the exact opposite of the above list. I'm talking a total revamp. The goal would be: 1. To reduce clickage as much as possible. 2. Make it much easier to navigate through. 3. Make it considerably quicker to navigate through. 4. Make it bug free. 5. Design it in such a way that future expansions can easily be added to the existing UI rather then cobbled on. 6. Allow a sensible degree of customisation. There are millions of ways this could be done, and CCP you'd do very well to work closely with your player-base on this one. Hire an Expert in UIs - I hear they do exist. I for one would like to see custom buttons for regular actions. Such as 'Dock Boundless Creation Hek Planet IV,' 'target nearest ship/asteroid', etc. Oh, and still waiting on that slider for Scanner range. This would add a whole new level of usefulness to the scanner. As I said though, there's millions of ways the UI could be improved. That says to me that it needs to be done from scratch. Cue polarised views.
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 493	Posted - 2012.01.11 14:52:00 - [2] - Quote No
Callic Veratar Power of the Phoenix 126	Posted - 2012.01.11 14:57:00 - [3] - Quote Expansion dedicated to [single feature] should never happen ever again, lest we get another Incarna. Did not read OP.
Miss Whippy Bloody Limeys 38	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:06:00 - [4] - Quote Callic Veratar wrote: Expansion dedicated to [single feature] should never happen ever again, lest we get another Incarna. Did not read OP. The UI covers hundreds of features. Are you stupid?
Cyniac Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance 102	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:11:00 - [5] - Quote Dear Miss Whippy. I am glad that you have discovered the joys of the UI - it is working as intended, that is to say a kind of mental flagellation designed to slowly frustrate you in ways that you never thought possible. Naturally it gets tweaked now and then, just because it can be but ultimately it is a way of culling the weak from the strong. Only those with a strong enough mindset (and resistant to carpal tunnel syndrome) will survive the continual whittling of their will to be in EVE through the UI. This makes for a rougher tougher world, and we kinda like it that way, it's a great selling point. If things are not yet clear now Miss Whippy, please go out there and invent and manufacture 2000 assault frigates in preparation for the upcoming changes and go out to the great wildlands to scan all planets and survey all moons to determine which would be the optimal location for operations of universal domination. Hurry back now. Cyniac.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1267	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:13:00 - [6] - Quote why call it expansion , why not just an "patch"
Ursula LeGuinn 42	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:17:00 - [7] - Quote I certainly wouldn't be unhappy to see an entire expansion dedicated to UI improvements. No single expansion in recent memory has been so mind-blowing that I couldn't wait an extra iteration for it. "The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia
Miss Whippy Bloody Limeys 38	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:18:00 - [8] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: why call it expansion , why not just an "patch" Because the work involved would be immense, and because you can't patch onto something when you're starting from scratch.
Krios Ahzek Ministry of War Amarr Empire 424	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:20:00 - [9] - Quote Akrasjel Lanate wrote: No Callic Veratar wrote: Expansion dedicated to [single feature] should never happen ever again, lest we get another Incarna. Did not read OP. Idiots trying to be edgy Posting time! Come on, grab your friends. We'll go to very distant lands.
Valei Khurelem 136	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:27:00 - [10] - Quote Akrasjel Lanate wrote: No Go **** yourself Anyone who'd disagree with the idea of at least making it so that the UI works better never mind being simple or more customisable is a moron.
Xuko Nuki Submerged Living 20	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:29:00 - [11] - Quote Yes, more expansions about minutia please .
Koby Botick Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation 19	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:30:00 - [12] - Quote I'm all for a complete overhaul of the UI (and by overhaul I mean throw it away and start fresh, not try to patch up that mess that it is). However to make that the sole and only topic of an expansion is way too much. Besides it makes no sense. A 3D model designer does not really have much to contribute to the UI, neither do economic experts or server/netcode programmers. I said it in https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=290191#post290191 and I will say it again: I am convinced that the UI alone is one of the most important factors why EVE Online is not newbie friendly and will never get somewhere near mass appeal. Those of us who play or used to play have arranged themselves with the UI, but still it remains one of the worst parts of this game. It lags, is inconsistent, moves stuff you are about to click away from under your mouse cursor (overview targetting an entry that just gets broadcasted, etc.) either hides important information or spams your screen full with too much information (hello enemy only/ overview displayed brackets only?) - I could go on for ages. It seriously baffles my mind why in all these years they could not hire a small team that has expertise in interface design. It is a very well known fact in software engineering that pure software engineers/programmers are goddamn awful at this and design UIs for people with academic degrees and not for end users. (The EVE Ui fails even at that though) Anyway - get rid of this UI: aye. An entire expansion only for that? Nay.
Mirime Nolwe APOCALYPSE LEGION The Devil's Warrior Alliance 38	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:32:00 - [13] - Quote Good intention, stupid idea. Improving UI should never be a single feature in any expansion.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1268	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:33:00 - [14] - Quote Miss Whippy wrote: Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: why call it expansion , why not just an "patch" Because the work involved would be immense, and because you can't patch onto something when you're starting from scratch. fair enough .
Roscada We love Egg 14	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:47:00 - [15] - Quote I'd rather just see the UI opened up to user-side modding, but that requires a lot of policing on CCP's part to ensure that it isn't used to automate the game so I doubt it'll happen. Dare to dream.
Miss Whippy Bloody Limeys 39	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:50:00 - [16] - Quote Mirime Nolwe wrote: Good intention, stupid idea. Improving UI should never be a single feature in any expansion. Why, because you want another E-Peen Expansion? OK, it won't be for an entire expansion, we'll make a supperwtfipwnyou ship, just to keep you happy.
Velicitia Open Designs 444	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:54:00 - [17] - Quote new UI on SISI is nice tho...
Jafit McJafitson Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 132	Posted - 2012.01.11 16:07:00 - [18] - Quote I'll be happy with any UI improvements, I don't care if it comes in an expansion or whatever, just do it.
Oberine Noriepa 568	Posted - 2012.01.11 17:40:00 - [19] - Quote I don't think an expansion should be dedicated to a single feature. You don't need 200+ people working on improving the UI when CCP already has competent personnel who are suited for this task. (Team Pink Zombie Kittens and Team Papercuts are some of the folks who have demonstrated their competence in this area.) As far as UI features that I would like to see improved go, however, I think the overview could definitely use some work. It would be great if it was designed in a way that gave EVE less of a "Spreadsheets in Space" vibe. I'm not entirely sure how such a thing could be done, however.
Garrvik State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.01.11 17:59:00 - [20] - Quote In the recent survey, I responded about how I would love that any resources assigned to improving the looks of EVE spend more time on customizability/skinning instead of force subjective enhancements (e.g. the new font which some love and others despise, or the scaling that doesn't work well). My personally theory about customizing UIs is that it should only allow someone to change the way information is displayed, but not create new information. Meaning, no macros or addons that allow for special actions or warnings which don't exist in the default UI. As an example, in WoW, you could easily become a slave to your addons and once they broke, you were no longer able to play the game. It also gives unfair advantages to some and in a game like EVE, you just can't have that. Miss Whippy wrote: The goal would be: 1. To reduce clickage as much as possible. 2. Make it much easier to navigate through. 3. Make it considerably quicker to navigate through. 4. Make it bug free. 5. Design it in such a way that future expansions can easily be added to the existing UI rather then cobbled on. 6. Allow a sensible degree of customisation. ... I for one would like to see custom buttons for regular actions. Such as 'Dock Boundless Creation Hek Planet IV,' 'target nearest ship/asteroid', etc. So, to comment on the quoted bits... 1) I also want reduced clickage/more hotkey, but I'd like this in the core UI, not done through user customizations 2) Amen to that 3) I see this as the same as 2) 4) It'll never happen. Being a professional software engineer, I assure you it's way too costly to make something bug free. We live in a world where people don't make good things, they just make things good enough. 5) Scalability is HUGE. I can't agree with this more. 6) As I mentioned before, I agree, so long as it doesn't allow for adding new information or actions.

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