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Phaz Menik	Posted - 2007.07.26 13:00:00 - [1] Basically I can fly both but I don't really have the skills to fly efficiently. I'm currently hanging about in the Dominix but pretty useless atm. My drone skills are quite efficient but just wondered about what other people would suggest. Any help is appreciated. :) cheers
Heelay Ashrum Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies	Posted - 2007.07.26 13:09:00 - [2] Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 26/07/2007 13:09:55 Do u realy expect a good reply if u dont tell what u are going to do with this ship? ( pve or pvp ? in what form? solo? with tackler? small gang? blobs? ) since u limited the choise on those 2 ships and u told that u cannot drive ecciciently non of them i would suggest u to at least: Max your drone skills. U got T2 heavy? and T2 sentry drones? Maxed your mechanic skills? armour compensation? maxed energy skills? do u have skills to use rigs? Go for those skills, they will be useful for both ships, so u will not wast training time since u dont decide. IMHO ( in other words: for my purpouse) , both are great ships..
Cambarus Kissaki Confederation Slammer's Republic	Posted - 2007.07.26 13:25:00 - [3] Well it depends really... For PvE, go with which ever one you have a higher skill for (Battlecruiser VS Gallente Battleship) since both can tank well enough you may as well get that extra damage. For PvP go for the domi, it doesn't need to be TII fitted to be evil in combat, especially against cap-dependant ships. Pop on 2 heavy nos and 4 mediums (I think that's as big as you can fit) and watch the other guy's tank dissapear
Clit c0mmander Blunt Brothers Trading	Posted - 2007.07.26 13:59:00 - [4] Domi is better in almost every situation Scorp
Phaz Menik	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:08:00 - [5] Sorry about my limited words. I'd like to do both pve and pvp. Need to get into a corp to whom i can roam some 0.0 space with. Like ideas of fleet battles etc. I'll probs just try build up on the dom then as its pretty dam gud in most situations. Drone wise I only need 1 more heavy drones lvl and i can use T2 ones. Sentry drones just need to train a couple more levels. Would it be worth getting drone interfacing V? I mean I heard its not worth it but maybe that is just to do with mining drones. The 20% damage increase has to be a good thing. Cheers for the help guys its great. :)
cytomatrix Caldari Skiddies of Doom	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:28:00 - [6] Drone interfacing lvl5 is totally worth it. I would train it before training heavy drone interfacing lvl5. ______________________________ Caldari blood. Gallente style. Minmatar Attitude.
Deva Blackfire Citadel of dark arts	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:41:00 - [7] Originally by: cytomatrix Drone interfacing lvl5 is totally worth it. I would train it before training heavy drone interfacing lvl5. WRONG Drone interfacing increases bonus from 1,8x damage to 2,0x damage = 11% boost Heavy drone op (from lvl4 to 5) gives you 1,25x damage from 1,2x damage PLUS ADDITIONAL 1,2x damage mod (from t2 hvy drones being better than t1) = 25% damage increase. Unless you fly ship which cant use 5 hvies you are always better with lvl5 hvy drone op before lvl5 interfacing.
Sun Paktu Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:43:00 - [8] The nos-domi as already described can pwn in pvp But I use my domi to solo wts afk pwn lvl4 missions. The myr for me is not very useful until I get the leadership skills to run a warfare link efficiently - but to a newer pilot its useful for spamming lvl 3 missions. Although ice heard its a good dd. Just doesn't have the domis flexability by its extra drone bay space. Right now I fly around in Celestis supporting gangs. And I spam lvl4s in my domi. This works for me. See you in space. -Sun Paktu, Paktu Kiith'Sa and co-founder
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:51:00 - [9] The Myr is great for small roaming gangs. BS DPS with BC sig. The Domi for everything else. "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell
nakKEDK Gallente North Face Force	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: cytomatrix Drone interfacing lvl5 is totally worth it. I would train it before training heavy drone interfacing lvl5. WRONG Drone interfacing increases bonus from 1,8x damage to 2,0x damage = 11% boost Heavy drone op (from lvl4 to 5) gives you 1,25x damage from 1,2x damage PLUS ADDITIONAL 1,2x damage mod (from t2 hvy drones being better than t1) = 25% damage increase. Unless you fly ship which cant use 5 hvies you are always better with lvl5 hvy drone op before lvl5 interfacing. and t2 drones is faster, got better tracking, and range(maybe wrong about range) dont bother arguing with me, cause im allways right. Well at least sometimes.

NoNah Marzipan Monkeys Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: cytomatrix Drone interfacing lvl5 is totally worth it. I would train it before training heavy drone interfacing lvl5. WRONG Drone interfacing increases bonus from 1,8x damage to 2,0x damage = 11% boost Heavy drone op (from lvl4 to 5) gives you 1,25x damage from 1,2x damage PLUS ADDITIONAL 1,2x damage mod (from t2 hvy drones being better than t1) = 25% damage increase. Unless you fly ship which cant use 5 hvies you are always better with lvl5 hvy drone op before lvl5 interfacing. WRONG The heavy drone op skill gives its bonus to one kind of drones. Drone interfacing works on all kinds. If we mining drones out of the example, we still have light medium and heavy drones. Which means heavy drone op 5 increase the damage on average by 8.3-8.4% while the Drone interfacing increases damage by 11% on average. Unless you fly a ship that for some reason only carries heavy drones. OP - I prefer the domi in just about every case. Cheaper to replace(mediumsized modules are 'spensive!) and better tank and wont die to a lone crow. Only downside it got is the slightly lesser speed.(unless you go for a passive shield setup on the myrm ofc) Post count: 208395
Deva Blackfire Citadel of dark arts	Posted - 2007.07.26 17:51:00 - [12] Originally by: NoNah Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: cytomatrix Drone interfacing lvl5 is totally worth it. I would train it before training heavy drone interfacing lvl5. WRONG Drone interfacing increases bonus from 1,8x damage to 2,0x damage = 11% boost Heavy drone op (from lvl4 to 5) gives you 1,25x damage from 1,2x damage PLUS ADDITIONAL 1,2x damage mod (from t2 hvy drones being better than t1) = 25% damage increase. Unless you fly ship which cant use 5 hvies you are always better with lvl5 hvy drone op before lvl5 interfacing. WRONG The heavy drone op skill gives its bonus to one kind of drones. Drone interfacing works on all kinds. If we mining drones out of the example, we still have light medium and heavy drones. Which means heavy drone op 5 increase the damage on average by 8.3-8.4% while the Drone interfacing increases damage by 11% on average. Unless you fly a ship that for some reason only carries heavy drones. Um i hope you read my WHOLE post? Quote: Unless you fly ship which cant use 5 hvies you are always better with lvl5 hvy drone op before lvl5 interfacing. Pretty much states that if you can use heavies - t2 heavy drones + hvy.drone op lvl5 is better. As for damage improvements from t1 (lvl4 skill) to t2 hvy drones (lvl5 skill) - care to share calculation? For me it was: 1,25 (op5)*1,2 (t2 drone over t1) = 1,5 1.5/1.2 (op4, t1 drone) = 25% Now tell me how did you get "only 8,3-8,4% damage improvement"? Unless its for all kinds of drones. Then the point is moot anyways - because in PvP (if you can) you use hvy drones 90% of the time anyways. Rest of the time small drones to fend off ceptors. Cant see any reason to use med drones (maybe for AFs or destroyers... tho both die from hvy drones fast anyways). Still you dont use scout drones as often as heavies, thats why hvy t2 before interfacing 5 is the win. (yes i do have hvy drone 5 and interf. 4 atm - because flying both ishtar/eos i use heavies for combat mostly).
NoNah Marzipan Monkeys Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Um i hope you read my WHOLE post? Quote: Unless you fly ship which cant use 5 hvies you are always better with lvl5 hvy drone op before lvl5 interfacing. Pretty much states that if you can use heavies - t2 heavy drones + hvy.drone op lvl5 is better. As for damage improvements from t1 (lvl4 skill) to t2 hvy drones (lvl5 skill) - care to share calculation? For me it was: 1,25 (op5)*1,2 (t2 drone over t1) = 1,5 1.5/1.2 (op4, t1 drone) = 25% Now tell me how did you get "only 8,3-8,4% damage improvement"? Unless its for all kinds of drones. Then the point is moot anyways - because in PvP (if you can) you use hvy drones 90% of the time anyways. Rest of the time small drones to fend off ceptors. Cant see any reason to use med drones (maybe for AFs or destroyers... tho both die from hvy drones fast anyways). Still you dont use scout drones as often as heavies, thats why hvy t2 before interfacing 5 is the win. (yes i do have hvy drone 5 and interf. 4 atm - because flying both ishtar/eos i use heavies for combat mostly). Thats the thing, I use them all quite alot. Now this issnt really a problem any more, I do have both interfacing and heavy drone op at 5. But fact is there is reason to use both lights and mediums quite often. I very rarely go with 5 heavies in a 125m3 ship. Exceptions are blasterthron as I often want every single point of dps as the entire point is to cause extreme damage over short time. And occasional gangsetups. Lights are mostly used for interceptors and hostile drones. Mediums for small or fast cruisers and small af's. Heavies for BC's and battleships. Sentries for camping and distant targets. I dont always go with all of them, though more often than not more than a single kind. I certainly cant say that heavies is the most used kind of drone on the domi - had they been equiped with faster tracking and bigger thrusters - sure. 8.333% was the exact value, simply because the 25% bonus only apply to 1/3 of the cases. 1/4 if you include sentries. If you want to swing it that way, you might want to include ew, logistics and fighters. As soon as you get fighters you rarely use heavies, however lights are useful at times. Post count: 689442
nakKEDK Gallente North Face Force	Posted - 2007.07.26 21:03:00 - [14] why use myrmidon with medium drones..? brutix is way better if you use mediums on myrm. dont bother arguing with me, cause im allways right. Well at least sometimes.
Christopher Dalran Gallente Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.26 21:51:00 - [15] Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 26/07/2007 21:52:19 Low cost with better speed = Myrm. High cost with crap speed = Domi. Thats realy all there is too it, the Myrm is a prety tough ship and you have to figure in the cost difference betwenn Large and Medium Mods. The Big difference here is that the most common drone layout for a myrm is 5 heavy drones and 5 light drones however this leaves you with 0 replacements if one gets destroyed. A domi has the drone bay to carry around many different damage types aswell as several replacements. Medium drones can be ignored and should be since if you work on your drone skills (use an omni tracking mod if needed) your heavies will hit cruisers for about their max damage. If you plan on going to 0.0 and intend on doing any PvP expect to lose ships, If you can get some kind of discount deal for a DOMI from an alliance (they will want you to assist in any combat ops most likely) the go with the Domi by all means but if your going to have to buy them off the market at inflated 0.0 prices you may want a Myrm. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
Deva Blackfire Citadel of dark arts	Posted - 2007.07.26 21:57:00 - [16] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 26/07/2007 21:57:54 Originally by: NoNah 8.333% was the exact value, simply because the 25% bonus only apply to 1/3 of the cases. 1/4 if you include sentries. If you want to swing it that way, you might want to include ew, logistics and fighters. As soon as you get fighters you rarely use heavies, however lights are useful at times. Still the proper way to count it is not "amount of drones using skill" but "how often YOU use light/med/hvy drones". If you dont use med drones at all (or rarely) the results get boosted to 12,5% - which is already better than DI5 (and thats when you use em exactly 50/50 time). As for fighters/heavies... umm... try to use carriers a bit more often. There are many reasons why to use heavies instead of fighters, but ill give you a chance to find it out by yourself...
xHalcyonx Amarr EmpiresMod Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.07.26 22:18:00 - [17] Edited by: xHalcyonx on 26/07/2007 22:18:53 Originally by: Christopher Dalran Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 26/07/2007 21:52:19 The Big difference here is that the most common drone layout for a myrm is 5 heavy drones and 5 light drones however this leaves you with 0 replacements if one gets destroyed. A domi has the drone bay to carry around many different damage types aswell as several replacements. Medium drones can be ignored and should be since if you work on your drone skills (use an omni tracking mod if needed) your heavies will hit cruisers for about their max damage. WTB Myrm with 150m3 drone bay. It is 4x Heavy and 5x Light. Or you can fit 5x Heavy. ------------------- ნỊs uʍop əpỊsdn


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