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Idaeus
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2007.07.27 17:17:00 -
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What is the, if any, optimal ratio of Industrial/Logistics corporations to Combat corporations (or pilots)? The goal being to project a sizable and effective combat force, while keeping them supplied and not diluting that strength.
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Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.07.27 17:19:00 -
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The golden ratio is approximately 1.6180339887
I live under a bridge
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acompton
Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.27 17:24:00 -
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I like to turn mine up to 11, so you know it's one more than than the guys who max out at 10...
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Stelteck
Minmatar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.27 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Stelteck on 27/07/2007 17:25:59 The best thing is perhaps to have 100% combat when necessary and 100% logistic when it does.
If you have pvp corporation and logistics one, it will create tension in your alliance as they will hardly share the same interests.
Stelteck.
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.27 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Moon Kitten The golden ratio is approximately 1.6180339887
the only ratio is the golden ratio.
*kicks the dust out of this old joke* ---
truth about EVE: Quote: "Guns are fine, boost players"
Quote: "Players are fine, boost guns"
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Mhadron
HOMELESS. Band of Bums
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Posted - 2007.07.27 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Mhadron on 27/07/2007 17:38:57 imo One of the best things to do is create a small alliance. There are various reasons for this but here are a few.
1. Harder and more expensive for other people to war dec you. 2. Allows you to bring other corps into the alliance without disbanding their corp. You wouldn't believe how much easier it is to recruit people doing this. 3. Bringing industry under your alliance tag they can give discounts on ships/mods and you can provide them with protection when needed.
There are many more reasons but those are some of the major ones. In an alliance it allows you to seperate and delegate which is a lot easier on the ceo and officers because they can focus on more important stuff. Like Pew Pew.
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Idaeus
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2007.07.27 17:56:00 -
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Well, there is an alliance in the works, though it's in the early planning stages at this point. The various corporations that will be a part of it are currently focusing their efforts on acquiring a capital fleet, as well as flushing out the dross and tightening our recruiting standards some.
And, there is one corporation we would love to get our hands on, but regretfully they already belong to another alliance. Some of us have come to the conclusion that the only way we would get them is by smacking around the other one.
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Vodka Neat
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.07.27 18:37:00 -
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Unfortunately there is no perfect answer to this. What you will find is that it depends on a lot of factors. Here are some things to consider:
1) Are they highly skilled PvPer so will lose less ships? 2) With their skills are they going to expect T2 ships and equipment? 3) Are the logistics highly skilled and effective/efficient? 4) Is this going to be mainly offensive or defensive and if defensive how is logistics going to handle the interuptions? 5) Is logistics looking to expand at all (POS, stations, new BPOs, etc.) or put its full efforts on PvP support? 6) What quality is the space you own/have access to?
These are just a few main things to consider if you can answer these then you will have a better idea as to what will be needed.
Why are you still reading? Its over. Continue to the next post.
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Saladin
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.27 18:44:00 -
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Why, of course the answer is 42 ----
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ForumPosterAlt
HERRO KITTY
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Posted - 2007.07.27 18:45:00 -
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100% would be optimal.
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Miss Lardass
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Posted - 2007.07.27 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Moon Kitten The golden ratio is approximately 1.6180339887
the only ratio is the golden ratio.
*kicks the dust out of this old joke*
I was more thinkin off the "golden shower" instead of ratio, but hey it is me
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Arcane Carnage
omen.
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Posted - 2007.07.27 19:00:00 -
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3 is the magic number! .
Ures truly kickin' ass Carn |
Almarez
Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.27 19:05:00 -
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I'll be honest. If I've learned anything in my time in STC (2+ years and the loss of two homes - Paragon and Fountain) is that a good alliance should consist of all PVP corps with industrial alts. It is sad to say this but I think its true. The problem with having industrial corps is that many times they are just looking for access to 0.0 and will move freely between alliances to keep that (i.e. won't fight for what's theirs because they are just trying to make isk). This isn't always true of course but I would say if you want industrial corps, keep them under a very watchful eye and make sure that they too have a pvp core. New outpost-30 bil isk, Items to save up for cap ships-700 mil isk, Going to bed early now that you don't have to work for that and realizing how much poontang you were missing-PRICELESS |
Lemptie
Gallente Glass House
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Posted - 2007.07.27 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Lemptie on 27/07/2007 19:58:23
Answer was ISS ,did read something about a ISS caravan. Like the milkman come to your space and sell your members all the toys you want .
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Farham
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.07.27 19:57:00 -
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I don't know about Optimal Ratio but I have heard of Ultima Ratio!
Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot |
Plim
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.27 20:09:00 -
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2:1
Two badgers to one thread. Ancient scriptures say this is optimal ratio.
This thread is gravely unbalanced.
Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus." |
Cythrawl
Caldari Central Defiance
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Posted - 2007.07.27 21:15:00 -
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A ratio of nothing but ninjas.
Wins every time.
=+=+=+=+=+=+=
Originally by: Black Torment OH GOD, DROWNING IN TINFOIL.
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Mr Mirage
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.27 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Farham
I don't know about Optimal Ratio but I have heard of Ultima Ratio!
I thought that's what this thread was going to be about
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Akov Stohs
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.27 21:31:00 -
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To be honest, what you need is self sufficient Pvpers, any one that currently pvps on a serious basis has some ability to make money/ships/modules so that they can continue to pvp. Pure industrialists more often then not are leeches, and won't be in it for the good of your pvpers.
But I can honestly say, in the groups I've been in. 200 Pilots that are self sufficient and 2 pilots that are industrialists that will fight when needed will keep you fairly well stocked. my sig is too big |
Ask Unbeatable
Gallente HighTech Marines Ltd. FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.27 22:14:00 -
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Otangka
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Posted - 2007.07.27 23:35:00 -
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Just right click on your alliance, and search for the words optimal.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.27 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: acompton I like to turn mine up to 11, so you know it's one more than than the guys who max out at 10...
Can't you just make 10 bigger, then that will be the max
...but this one goes to eleven
I, erm, like kill things and stuff |
Minyon
Rising Tibetan Star The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.07.27 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Moon Kitten The golden ratio is approximately 1.6180339887
Thats not a ration thats just a number the golden ration is 1:1.6180339887
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Danari
Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.27 23:59:00 -
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I think the number is between 1 and 5% industrialists. It's a very very very small number to be sure.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.07.28 02:02:00 -
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The magic ratio is 100% of industry/logistics working for the alliance, either by supplying the coffers, building infrastructure, or producing for the alliance. If you have strictly industry types out in the belts all day every day, and all they do is line their own pockets, they are just a strain on the available resources. If they are out there to keep their PvP character supplied, then by all means, that is fine.
So, there really is no magic ratio.
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Draconian Arcane
Minmatar Praetorian BlackGuard Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.28 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Almarez I'll be honest. If I've learned anything in my time in STC (2+ years and the loss of two homes - Paragon and Fountain) is that a good alliance should consist of all PVP corps with industrial alts. It is sad to say this but I think its true. The problem with having industrial corps is that many times they are just looking for access to 0.0 and will move freely between alliances to keep that (i.e. won't fight for what's theirs because they are just trying to make isk). This isn't always true of course but I would say if you want industrial corps, keep them under a very watchful eye and make sure that they too have a pvp core.
I agree with Almarez on this one bro
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Mattduk
Gallente Universal Army
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Posted - 2007.07.28 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Stelteck Edited by: Stelteck on 27/07/2007 17:25:59If you have pvp corporation and logistics one, it will create tension in your alliance as they will hardly share the same interests.
Stelteck.
It's only the idiot pvp pilots and the idiot logistics pilots that cause the tension. Any smart pilot, of any career, would know that you can't have one without the other.
Regards Mattduk
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Mattduk
Gallente Universal Army
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Posted - 2007.07.28 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Almarez I'll be honest. If I've learned anything in my time in STC (2+ years and the loss of two homes - Paragon and Fountain) is that a good alliance should consist of all PVP corps with industrial alts. It is sad to say this but I think its true. The problem with having industrial corps is that many times they are just looking for access to 0.0 and will move freely between alliances to keep that (i.e. won't fight for what's theirs because they are just trying to make isk). This isn't always true of course but I would say if you want industrial corps, keep them under a very watchful eye and make sure that they too have a pvp core.
If the corporation isn't benefiting the alliance, then it shouldn't be in the alliance. That's the bottom line. Judging pilots individually, from the position of alliance executorship is over managing. Leave each corp to assess the value of their pilots, and let the alliance assess the value of the corporations. If one corporation appears to be leeching, and not benefiting the alliance in ANY way, boot 'em.
There's no point in cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Dark Girlfriend
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Posted - 2007.07.28 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ask Unbeatable 23
I'm pretty sure it is 42. But what is the question?
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