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Miles Vorkos	Posted - 2007.07.28 08:29:00 - [1] In 4 months I have seen numerous Obelisk's and not a single Charon. Is there any special reason why people train and fly Obelisk, rather than their race freighter? As I compare the Charon and Obelisk - I do not see any justification to train additional week to be able to switch to Gallente ships. Even if you consider the ITeron 5 as additional perk.
NoNah Marzipan Monkeys Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.28 08:34:00 - [2] Charon is better than Obelisk. Iteron 5 is the best hauler in the game, used by both miners and carriers. Badgers are good for nothing but fighting ;) Post count: 87836
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.28 09:59:00 - [3] Because before freighters were in game everyone who wanted a hauler trained for gallente haulers because the itty5 is so much better than any others. Hence the number of obelisks about. Altho take a trip to jita and u'll see plenty of charons. DE
NoNah Marzipan Monkeys Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.28 10:40:00 - [4] Originally by: DarkElf Because before freighters were in game everyone who wanted a hauler trained for gallente haulers because the itty5 is so much better than any others. Hence the number of obelisks about. Altho take a trip to jita and u'll see plenty of charons. Many crimes in the world of EVE is forgivable, just not sure recomending a trip to Jita is one of them. Post count: 997040
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.28 10:43:00 - [5] Originally by: NoNah Originally by: DarkElf Because before freighters were in game everyone who wanted a hauler trained for gallente haulers because the itty5 is so much better than any others. Hence the number of obelisks about. Altho take a trip to jita and u'll see plenty of charons. Many crimes in the world of EVE is forgivable, just not sure recomending a trip to Jita is one of them. Agreed. My apologise. DE
vanBuskirk Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.28 12:54:00 - [6] Does the same logic apply to the numbers of the various transport ships? In other words, do the Occator and Viator outnumber the others? A simple solution, if CCP wants one, might be to put industrials for the other three races into the game that need racial indy 5 to fly. Amarr are particularly weak here; both their ships only need indy 1 IIRC. While I'm on this subject, why oh why don't CCP switch the Typhoon and Mammoth models around? ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
NoNah Marzipan Monkeys Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.28 13:27:00 - [7] Originally by: vanBuskirk Does the same logic apply to the numbers of the various transport ships? In other words, do the Occator and Viator outnumber the others? A simple solution, if CCP wants one, might be to put industrials for the other three races into the game that need racial indy 5 to fly. Amarr are particularly weak here; both their ships only need indy 1 IIRC. While I'm on this subject, why oh why don't CCP switch the Typhoon and Mammoth models around? On the other hand the fact that they only require 1 is a strength, as any and all amarr combatpilot will have a industrial a their disposal with 15 minues of training. Generally I believe as poster above mentioned, its due to historic reasons rather than logic. And its a decent tradeoff to me. Slightly better hauler at the cost of a slightly worse freighter. Post count: 269894
Miles Vorkos	Posted - 2007.07.28 15:45:00 - [8] Ok - while we are on that topic: If Inty 5 is slightly better than Badger II but Charon is slightly better than Obelisk - than which transports are better - Gallente or Caldari?
Jake Stevens Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.07.28 15:51:00 - [9] Originally by: Miles Vorkos Ok - while we are on that topic: If Inty 5 is slightly better than Badger II but Charon is slightly better than Obelisk - than which transports are better - Gallente or Caldari? the itty V is ALOT better than the badger. ALOT. As for transports, I think its pretty close
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.28 16:04:00 - [10] the bustard is pretty good but only get like 5 lows i think it is. gallente ones get like 7 or something. that's the difference with the haulers. freighters have no slots so caldari are win there. DE
Lord Loom Loom Service Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.07.28 16:45:00 - [11] as already mentioned for high-sec hauling nothing beats the Iteron 5, so it's logical to take the minor extra steps for an Obelisk instead of cross-training Caldari also, Caldari T2 indys aren't all that hot. Their cargoholds are small compared to Amarr and Gallente - although they can fully expand and still mount a decent (shield) tank - and among Blockade Runners (a ship class that's already underwhelming at this moment) the Crane is the only one which lacks grid to properly fit an MWD ---------- KEEP TRY!!!
Rafein	Posted - 2007.07.28 16:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Miles Vorkos Ok - while we are on that topic: If Inty 5 is slightly better than Badger II but Charon is slightly better than Obelisk - than which transports are better - Gallente or Caldari? Itty 5 is almost twice as good as the Badger 2. Transports are VERY close. Bustard gets 5500 base and 5 lows, Occy gets 5000 base, and 6 lows. Charon holds more, but Obe is faster.
Cpt Fina Insult to Injury	Posted - 2007.07.28 17:10:00 - [13] These days you have to take suicidegankings into account and thus the freighters witht the most cargospace isn't automaiticly the best. I'd rather fly a Providence with a slaveset than a charon tbh.
Miles Vorkos	Posted - 2007.07.29 09:07:00 - [14] So - if you already have trained caldari industrial at lvl3 - would you switch to gallente to have the itty5, occator/vellator and an Obelisk?
Kostmayer	Posted - 2007.07.29 09:56:00 - [15] Quck question - whats a good freighter for running Level 1 and Level 2 courier missions in low sec space? Or would I need a cruiser with decent cargo space?
Aravel Thon	Posted - 2007.07.29 13:41:00 - [16] If you made enough money to buy a freighter, i dont think you want to spend your time running level 1 and 2 courier missions. Through low-sec.
lyrenna Caldari The Renaissance	Posted - 2007.07.29 14:49:00 - [17] Edited by: lyrenna on 29/07/2007 14:53:41 Edited by: lyrenna on 29/07/2007 14:51:34 Originally by: Kostmayer Quck question - whats a good freighter for running Level 1 and Level 2 courier missions in low sec space? Or would I need a cruiser with decent cargo space? you can try the gallente cruiser exequeror/a big cargo holded frig depending on size, fit some shield extender istab and wcs on them and you are gtg i think as a small not mostly small scale cargo ships mentioned as haulers, freighters mention the big ones i mean realy big:) === when you armor tank a raven god kills a kitten. ===

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