| Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Savvon
   |
Posted - 2007.07.28 16:32:00 -
[1]
CCP, I think the ISK sellers will really get hurt if you simply stopped trial accounts. I know you might think that it will hurt your business, but I think it will help it.
1. ISK sellers would have to BUY EVE-ONLINE, hence making CCP more money.
2. The ISK sellers are easily caught and their BOUGHT accounts banned. The ISK sellers buy another account, hence more money for CCP.
3. More people will be curious about EVE-ONLINE and BUY the game instead of playing trial accounts over and over again.
CCP, please do not brush off this suggestion. The ISK sellers are ruining the game for me and it is getting worse.
Another suggestion is to make the trial the tutorial only and make it so people on the trial cannot communicate with the members with bought accounts.
Signed,
Loyal customer since 2004.
Just trying to help
|
Dave White
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 16:34:00 -
[2]
I think I'd have to agree
 Originally by: CCP Wrangler
To be completely honest I don't quite understand everything I'm going to say.
|
Jastra
Gallente
Core Domination
Big Bang Quantum
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 16:38:00 -
[3]
err, I'm not defending them but how are the ruining your game ?
|
turnschuh
Beyond Divinity Inc
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 16:38:00 -
[4]
no trial = no new players = no cash = dead eve
|
Cpt TaLo
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 16:53:00 -
[5]
I don't think banning is the answer - it would have made sense for CCP to introduce this in the first place to get new subscribers.
An alternate suggestion would be to limit ISK transfers to batches of say 50mil? per transaction, with a maximum of 100m per day. Although it wouldn't stop he problem, it would be a royal pain in the arse for sellers to transfer any decent amount of isk - and any real trialers would generally not have that much isk in the first few weeks.
The only people this would affect is 'professional' alts of existing players, but most of these players would IMO happily wait a few weeks before using an alt as a 'safe' bank account.
|
Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 16:57:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Savvon
CCP, I think the ISK sellers will really get hurt if you simply stopped trial accounts. I know you might think that it will hurt your business, but I think it will help it.
I would have not been playing EVE if there was not free trial account. There are many others with me. Bad idea.
____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Big Al
The Aftermath
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 16:58:00 -
[7]
Originally by: Cpt TaLo
An alternate suggestion would be to limit ISK transfers to batches of say 50mil? per transaction, with a maximum of 100m per day. Although it wouldn't stop he problem, it would be a royal pain in the arse for sellers to transfer any decent amount of isk - and any real trialers would generally not have that much isk in the first few weeks.
Trials can't send isk.
Don't allow trial accounts in any public channels aside from rookie help, or eliminate them all together.
|
Assasinator jane
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 17:03:00 -
[8]
Simply Make Trial accounts restricted to only be able to buy and sell marked orders.
Make them not able to transfer any money and make them not be able to use the Contract option.
Will make the isk sellers A realy pain in the butt.
|
lofty29
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 17:05:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Assasinator jane
Simply Make Trial accounts restricted to only be able to buy and sell marked orders.
Customer makes a sell order of 1 whatever for 999999999999999999999 isk in whatever system. Isk seller buys. Voila.
---
Project Mayhem
WTS : Faction Lewt |
Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 17:06:00 -
[10]
I wouldn't have started playing eve if it wasn't for the trial account, when you see someone selling isk, petition it. I have been recently you get a fast GM response.
|
|
|
The Pointless
Gallente
Plastic Toys
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 17:12:00 -
[11]
Edited by: The Pointless on 28/07/2007 17:12:28
Originally by: Imperius Blackheart
I wouldn't have started playing eve if it wasn't for the trial account, when you see someone selling isk, petition it. I have been recently you get a fast GM response.
Same here... Trial account got me upgrading. And you're bang on about petitioning them, the GMs are pretty fast about it. 
-----------------------------------------------
"Breaking News! The Pointless hates GIFs!" |
WGAnubis Marrith
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 17:14:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Savvon
3. More people will be curious about EVE-ONLINE and BUY the game instead of playing trial accounts over and over again.
No it would hurt the game. All the players that I have actually gotten hooked into the game is due to the eve trial keys. A possible solution though is a method of tracking whos had multiple trial accounts, IE have the trial players place their CC number just for tracking purposes.
Besides, I dont think a ISK farmer would make much money on trial accounts alone as even when you make a character ideally suited for barges it still takes atleast 2 weeks to train up for a retriever, and even then the barge skill cant be used on trial accounts.
|
Plentimon
Amarr
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 17:15:00 -
[13]
Originally by: Assasinator jane
Simply Make Trial accounts restricted to only be able to buy and sell marked orders.
Make them not able to transfer any money and make them not be able to use the Contract option.
Will make the isk sellers A realy pain in the butt.
Trial accounts can't transfer ISK. The 'sellers' exist solely for the purpose of advertising as much as possible before they get banned. It's the farmers that are on paid accounts that handle the money transfers.
|
Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
IntoXication Inc
PioneerX Syndicate
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 17:44:00 -
[14]
"3. More people will be curious about EVE-ONLINE and BUY the game instead of playing trial accounts over and over again."
Explain to me how not having trial accounts will make more people interested in EVE as they now instead have to pay to try a game they do not know if they will like? Horrid argument.
If there wasn't a trial I would never had started paying for EVE, the devs will simply have to find another way to solve the isk seller problem if they want to continue to see the account number charts to go upwards.
------
--Don't get saucy with me Bernaise!-- |
Ryum852
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 17:46:00 -
[15]
I have been thinking bout this also and I think they should offer trial accts every otehr week or month and see how much of a drop in isk sellers, ect there is.
then go from there.
as it is I could get a line of trail accts then x-fer the money made via macro mining into a main acct for free... And that shouldn't be allowed.
You know some people are doing it.
|
ArcticFox
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 17:46:00 -
[16]
Frankly, I never would have played this game at all if it weren't for the 14-day trial. I never even intended to go past that trial when I got it, but it's been 3 years and I'm still hooked. I'm sure there are plenty of others like me.
--------------------------
There is no +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve. |
Drulik Wingsfan
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 17:55:00 -
[17]
Why not just make Trial accounts unable to leave the new player COSMOS space thing?
|
Fischig
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 18:02:00 -
[18]
Worst idea ever. Basically your asking CCP to stop any new players coming to the game and for them to completely cut off the chance of gaining any new customers.
Eve is a very complex, niche market game that is only going to be liked by a small percentage of the MMO gamers that are willing to pay monthly to play a game. Part of the reason there are so many trial accounts is because tonnes of people try eve, and barely get past the tutorial. Its simply too complex, sandboxish, and too hard to appeal to most people.
Its also very hard for people to understand why eve is so good, namely the pvp, the almost entirely player dominated economy, and the ability to make a difference and fight meaningful wars and do meaninful things in the game. People need time to play the game to understand why its so fun, reading some marketing bull**** and a few recommendations from other people is not enough to get people to PAY to experience the game for the first time. Also restricting trail accounts is not the way to go. 14 days is nothing to most eve players, most of them are probably training skills that take that amount of time or more right now. Its already impossibly to become even slightly powerful during the trial, and you want to basically take away everything from trial accounts that lets people understand whats so great about the game.
Wow has almost constant free trails, how many people are going to try eve when you have to PAY to try the game vs Wow with 8.5 milion players, mega press coverage and a free trial?
Also please explain how isk sellers are hurting CCP, as you say "where it hurts", i.e. money. Its in CCP's interest to keep improving and adding to the game, but killing off any chance of gaining new customers would be financial suicide. People leave eve all the time, new players are what keep the population stable or rising, without them games die a slow horrible lingering death.
|
Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Freelancer Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 18:08:00 -
[19]
no trial = no way for people to see if they like the game before paying for it.
the benefits outweight the abuse.
-
The game is not the problem.
The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
|
Clean
Acceptable Losses
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 18:10:00 -
[20]
There are no trails spamming trade channels
There are no trails selling isk
There are no macro miners
There are no cloaked isk farmers/sellers in 0.0
There are no exploits in log out mechanics
There are no 500+ isk farmers wich accounts should be banned
There are no needs to restrict chinese IP¦s to the Chinese Server and from the US/UK/EU one
Everything is fine...move along
 |
|
|
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 18:10:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Savvon
CCP, I think the ISK sellers will really get hurt if you simply stopped trial accounts. I know you might think that it will hurt your business, but I think it will help it.
1. ISK sellers would have to BUY EVE-ONLINE, hence making CCP more money.
2. The ISK sellers are easily caught and their BOUGHT accounts banned. The ISK sellers buy another account, hence more money for CCP.
3. More people will be curious about EVE-ONLINE and BUY the game instead of playing trial accounts over and over again.
CCP, please do not brush off this suggestion. The ISK sellers are ruining the game for me and it is getting worse.
1. Macrominers and macro mission runners - the ones that generate ISK, have real EVE accounts
2. How are their "easily caught" accounts being banned make CCP more money?
3. Not being able to have the trial account before purchasing the game would have made me not play EVE at all.
Quote:
Another suggestion is to make the trial the tutorial only and make it so people on the trial cannot communicate with the members with bought accounts.
That will make the game much harder for newer players since they won't be able to get help from more knowledgable people (those with paid accounts) and completely breaks the immersion that is such a big part of the EVE experience. I don't think so.
------------
ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION | Forum Whiners - Unite! |
Larg Kellein
Caldari
GTE Corp
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 18:12:00 -
[22]
Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Assasinator jane
Simply Make Trial accounts restricted to only be able to buy and sell marked orders.
Customer makes a sell order of 1 whatever for 999999999999999999999 isk in whatever system. Isk seller buys. Voila.
Not how the market works. Look for the 3 billion isk torpedo thread for proof. Basically, the seller with the lowest price would get teh sale, but at the higher price offered by the isk seller.
Originally by: Roy Batty68
My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.
|
sableye
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 18:16:00 -
[23]
if there was no trials I would never have joined.
Join The Fight With Promo Today
Buy your gametime cards |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 18:20:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Clean
There are no needs to restrict chinese IP¦s to the Chinese Server and from the US/UK/EU one
You don't really understand how the internet works, do you? 
------------
ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION | Forum Whiners - Unite! |
000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 18:33:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Dave White
I somewhat agree. I think the trials should require a creditcard
Err.. NO? U do realize that there are people in this game who don't pay for it with a CC? I don't even own a CC.
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
|
Dr Depression
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 18:34:00 -
[26]
Why not just have ccp gibve them a chat block without it showing they have a chat block?
they wont swtich to a new account because they think people are still able to ready there spam
|
The Pointless
Gallente
Plastic Toys
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 18:37:00 -
[27]
Edited by: The Pointless on 28/07/2007 18:37:46
Originally by: Dr Depression
Why not just have ccp gibve them a chat block without it showing they have a chat block?
they wont swtich to a new account because they think people are still able to ready there spam
If I read that right... exercise in futility, since there are other ways to advertise outside of the chat/EVEmail system. I once saw a jetcan being used to advertise their 'services' in Duripant some time ago, and I don't doubt for a second they're still trying that little stunt.
Crafty gits.
-----------------------------------------------
"Breaking News! The Pointless hates GIFs!" |
Dr Depression
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 18:39:00 -
[28]
Originally by: The Pointless
Edited by: The Pointless on 28/07/2007 18:37:46
Originally by: Dr Depression
Why not just have ccp gibve them a chat block without it showing they have a chat block?
they wont swtich to a new account because they think people are still able to ready there spam
If I read that right... exercise in futility, since there are other ways to advertise outside of the chat/EVEmail system. I once saw a jetcan being used to advertise their 'services' in Duripant some time ago, and I don't doubt for a second they're still trying that little stunt.
Crafty gits.
sorry alchol is bad
|
The Pointless
Gallente
Plastic Toys
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 18:53:00 -
[29]
Edited by: The Pointless on 28/07/2007 18:54:17
Originally by: Dr Depression
sorry alchol is bad
What's that supposed to mean? Your idea falls under "Two birds with one stone". The sellers are stealth-blocked from all chat functions (while still giving the illusion that no block exists), meaning nobody sees their ads in chat, and even if they realised something was up (which would most likely happen eventually), then they'll also find that switching accounts is futile.
BUT! They can buy some cheap ammo, drop a few jetcans here, there and everywhere and relabel them, and they can still get their ad across to peeps without abusing chat and EVEmail.
Your idea won't work. They're craftier than you think.
[EDIT] Whoops, that was an embarrasing typo.
-----------------------------------------------
"Breaking News! The Pointless hates GIFs!" |
Nestor II
|
Posted - 2007.07.28 19:42:00 -
[30]
Why not have a server just for trials and if you want to play the game full time, you buy a subscription and your player is transferred over to the live server, or you can just reroll and start from scratch.
Also After the trial time is up and you decide not to play, the trial account is deleted.
Do this and all the problems associated with trial accounts will go away.
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |