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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.07.29 04:32:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 29/07/2007 04:33:30
I've seen a few threads on the joke that is a Mothership smartbombing people in low sec at gates. While still relatively rare you know it is a style that will only increase as Motherships trickle into the game.
Part of the problem with this is using faction smartbombs the capital ship gains enough range to actually cover the gate (which presumably should not be the case). Smartbombs also undo the supposed drawbacks of a capital class ship (slow lock times, crappy tracking on capital class guns). Smartbombs themselves are also supposed to have drawbacks in difficult fitting requirements and heavy cap usage. But of course a captial class ship can easily handle this whereas a battleship starts to gimp itself with too many SBs on.
So, my thought is introduce a capital class smartbomb and restrict capital ships to using ONLY capital class smartbombs (i.e. it cannot fit a smaller class). This smartbomb will not have better damage or range than the large variety (it would be the same). But its fitting requirments would be steep as would its cap usage. You could RP this by thinking of what a smartbomb does. In order to emit an energy pulse all around such a large ship requires more effort (read bigger smartbomb).
Yes this is a bit of a nerf at capital ships that use these but really the current mechanic is a bit broke. Also, since there are no faction capital class smartbombs with superior range you limit the mothership on the gate's usefulness in that respect which frankly it should be.
*puts on flame proof suit*
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2007.07.29 04:37:00 -
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I have to admit, this gave me a smile. I was expecting a "super cap size smartbomb please!!!" but you actually made some sense.
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Lastdon
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Posted - 2007.07.29 04:51:00 -
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They have one its called a doomsday device!!!!!!
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.29 04:52:00 -
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This smartbomb will not have better damage or range than the large variety (it would be the same)
worst idea ever.
lets make bs only able to equip small smart bombs because those bs that are all smart bombs , cap injectors and armor plates are just as overpowered against cruisers and frigs!
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baaaaal
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Posted - 2007.07.29 04:55:00 -
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can you even use a smart bomb if your in range of a station or a gate? i thought they refused to activate if you would actually hit the gate? anyway instead of nerfing cap ships only real defence against frigs , dictor bubbles and drones/fighters why not just change the mechanics so you cant activate a smart bomb if your within 30km of a gate????????
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Valerian Xavier
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.29 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: baaaaal
can you even use a smart bomb if your in range of a station or a gate? i thought they refused to activate if you would actually hit the gate? anyway instead of nerfing cap ships only real defence against frigs , dictor bubbles and drones/fighters why not just change the mechanics so you cant activate a smart bomb if your within 30km of a gate????????
you cant use them if you are in range of a gate
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.07.29 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Valerian Xavier
Originally by: baaaaal
can you even use a smart bomb if your in range of a station or a gate? i thought they refused to activate if you would actually hit the gate? anyway instead of nerfing cap ships only real defence against frigs , dictor bubbles and drones/fighters why not just change the mechanics so you cant activate a smart bomb if your within 30km of a gate????????
you cant use them if you are in range of a gate
Technically no but faction smartbombs superior range can cover a gate (or so I have read).
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.07.29 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
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This smartbomb will not have better damage or range than the large variety (it would be the same)
worst idea ever.
lets make bs only able to equip small smart bombs because those bs that are all smart bombs , cap injectors and armor plates are just as overpowered against cruisers and frigs!
Huh? I've never heard of a all smartbomb BS being superior versus anything. First off they cap out fast and secondly most other ships can stay out of its range easily enough. If someone comes looking ot kill that BS they can do so without much problem. A Mothership is a different story.
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.29 05:10:00 -
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if you never heard of a suicide smart bomb bs warping into a fleet and letting rip you havent played eve for very long.
anyway baal suggested an alternate solution that wouldnt nerf everyone, go take your nerf bat elsewhere.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.07.29 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: baaaaal
can you even use a smart bomb if your in range of a station or a gate? i thought they refused to activate if you would actually hit the gate? anyway instead of nerfing cap ships only real defence against frigs , dictor bubbles and drones/fighters why not just change the mechanics so you cant activate a smart bomb if your within 30km of a gate????????
I think the game prohibits activation of an SB under 5km from a gate or station. Faction smartbombs have a greater range so can cover the gate.
And I am not taking away their only defense against frigs. First of all they are capital ships and are not meant to be a win versus everything ship. Frigs should give them trouble but then you'd also need a helluva lot of frigs to be a real danger. Second, they'd still have their smartbomb but it'd be a real consideration on whether to fit one or how many. Every other class of ship in the game needs to think hard on their setup and its pros and cons. Why not cap ships?
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.07.29 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
if you never heard of a suicide smart bomb bs warping into a fleet and letting rip you havent played eve for very long.
I've played EVE near 4 years but I do not do fleet battles. As for a suicide smartbombing BS fine. Doesn't seem especially useful as I am not sure how many ships such a BS can tag with a 5km range (doubt they are fitting faction mods on a suicide ship) or how much damage they can reasonably inflict before they die but seems fine if someone wants to do it. Outside of this narrow use it is a gimp setup. Not so for a mothership.
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Helen
STK Scientific
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.29 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: baaaaal
can you even use a smart bomb if your in range of a station or a gate? i thought they refused to activate if you would actually hit the gate? anyway instead of nerfing cap ships only real defence against frigs , dictor bubbles and drones/fighters why not just change the mechanics so you cant activate a smart bomb if your within 30km of a gate????????
I think the game prohibits activation of an SB under 5km from a gate or station. Faction smartbombs have a greater range so can cover the gate.
And I am not taking away their only defense against frigs. First of all they are capital ships and are not meant to be a win versus everything ship. Frigs should give them trouble but then you'd also need a helluva lot of frigs to be a real danger. Second, they'd still have their smartbomb but it'd be a real consideration on whether to fit one or how many. Every other class of ship in the game needs to think hard on their setup and its pros and cons. Why not cap ships?
Wrong faction/officer smartbombs are still restricted to firing off the gate/station by the same factors.
So if I try letting rip with a Selynne's Smartie next to a gate when its in range I'll get a message saying no can do!
What you see when motherships kill stuff with smartbombs next to gates is because the gates in question have certain properties, ie when you warp to 0km to them you land 1.5km off then with correct placement a mothership so loaded with smartbombs can hit you but not the gate.
Next time when you come to the forums don't say I think it works this way and act all authoritive about it actually test it, heck ask a mothership pilot even.
What it comes down to is a 5km smartbomb would work exactly the same way in the above circumstance its just that faction/officer smartbombs are preferred due to range/damage factors.
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.07.29 16:01:00 -
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sounds good - most lileky not the best technical solution, but a fine suggestion... Either that or do with faction smarties like soem officer webs/disruptors
Pinky
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Valandril
Caldari
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.29 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 29/07/2007 16:39:25
Edited by: Valandril on 29/07/2007 16:39:11
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Stick capital ships to stupid 5km smartbomb ? Sorry but i put my money on expensive smartbomb for a certain reason, and i assure u, smartbomb gates is not only activity of capital ships.
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