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Karrade Krise
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Posted - 2007.07.29 12:59:00 -
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Most of us pirates agree, the aggro timer system needs some work.
You're docked and you're Globally Criminally Flaggedaly.
Global timer runs out.
Yellow Agrro timer shows up.
So after a few minutes in yellow aggro, you undock.
Next thing you know PEW PEW!! You get wtfpwnd by the turrets.
This happened twice in a row to me. Fortunately they were frigs so no true harm done. I wont even bother with petitions. I'm sure CCP or whomever would say something along the lines of: "Congrats N3WB you got pwned, now go away."
Lol, j/k. So what do ya'll think of the aggro timer desync? (This has also happened after the yellow timer runs out too.)
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Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.07.29 13:06:00 -
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I normally dock up, while waiting for the timer to expire, chat with some friends in various channels. Once timer's expired I go make myself a pot of coffee, maybe bake some muffins, have a cigarette or twenty and watch the Lord of the Rings trilogy extended edition. Once I've donme all that it should be safe to undock again.
Seriously though, it's been bugged for ages, I normally just give it an extra 10 minutes.
 Originally by: High Sierra
note to self:
dont ever say anything to anyone on the internet about anything ever again.
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Lt Angus
Caldari
the united
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Posted - 2007.07.29 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Lt Angus on 29/07/2007 13:17:06
Sentry guns shoot on yellow timer too btw, thats intended as most of the time yellow=station/gate aggression
the shooting on no timer is an annoying bug
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warpod
Amarr
Pact Of Honour
United Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.29 14:28:00 -
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you commited a crime, some time passed, you docked
while docking sentries shoot at you
now you have 2 timers: global and from sentry corp
global flag goes away, you undock still flagged to sentries.
they pew-pew.
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.29 14:29:00 -
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nothing wrong with the mechanics at all. hover your cursor over the yellow timer and i'll wager that it says you're still flagged to the station or the gallente navy or amarr navy etc so they still shoot you. Plus your flag resets for 15 minutes after you dock. if for example you're getting shot by a stations sentry guns then ur glabal crim flag runs out, you are still flagged to that station for 15 minutes after they last shot you.
DE
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THEGREAT LOBO
Infestation.
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Posted - 2007.07.29 14:52:00 -
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This is an annoying problem. i always tend to just wait the 15 mins with out docking, just move between safe spots. this avoids the problem 
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Lucifer Fellblade
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.29 18:31:00 -
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The aggression is fine. It is working as intended.
What I DON'T like however is the fact you get no notification of this, sure I know about it and make sure I don't undock for 15 minutes after I dock, but for people unaware or new to being flagged, it's not nice to die when EVE says your safe from sentries.
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paratrooper313
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Posted - 2007.07.29 19:15:00 -
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I've lost a curse and a pilgrim to sentries after I had waited both the GCC and the AC out. Both petitioned, same response, which goes something like this:
The players are supposed to account for their own aggro timers, despite what may be displayed on the screen.
I really can't buy that, tbh.
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.29 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: DarkElf on 29/07/2007 19:29:50
null Originally by: paratrooper313
I've lost a curse and a pilgrim to sentries after I had waited both the GCC and the AC out. Both petitioned, same response, which goes something like this:
The players are supposed to account for their own aggro timers, despite what may be displayed on the screen.
I really can't buy that, tbh.
i've never lost a ship to it yet. If you're in any doubt whether ur flag has run out or not, when u undock just click the station and wait for ur invuln timer to wear off. if they still haven't shot u after a few seconds then ur good. pretty much any ship can take 1 shot of sentry fire.
However i really do think the displayed timer needs to reset along with ur aggro.
DE
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General Coochie
New Justice
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.29 23:34:00 -
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If your global timer runs out, and your still flagged to gate sentry guns they wont shoot you again afaik. However station sentry guns will shoot at you if they are from the same faction as you are flagges yellow to.
Sometimes the yellow counter doesnt show as it should. Ive experienced it several times. When you undock you see that you infact had 5 more minutes on the yellow faction station timer.
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Ask Unbeatable
Gallente
HighTech Marines Ltd.
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.29 23:58:00 -
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I've petitioned and bugreported;
Petition guy: Bugreport it.
Bugreport guy: There is no bug.
  
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Calvin Firenze
Minmatar
The Lunar Bin
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Posted - 2007.07.30 00:54:00 -
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Bah, it was listed in known issues before Rev 2 even came out. I lost a jag and my friend lost his helios that way. I did get away in my stabber another time it happened though. 
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Vim
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2007.07.30 03:16:00 -
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Sofar to me it seems like this:
You get GCC, if it was at a sentrygun you get flagged to that faction to.
Now you warp to a station and dock up, you get the sentryfire on you and that adds 15min yellow faction timer.
Now... you wait for the GCC to go away and the yellow timer. the followings seems like whats happening:
a/the yellow timer stops counting down serverside but not clientside.
or
b/you always get a 15m flag to the station when you dock, even if you dock before the station specific guns manage to fire one shoot at you(ie, they dont lock you in time before you dock but you still get new 15min yellow to the station) which means it dosent showup clientside but its there serverside.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2007.07.30 05:21:00 -
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I've been shot at numerious times with no timer at all. I think it resets the yellow timer without actually showing it, so if I take sentry fire I sit in station for 15+ minutes and do w/e on various... websites 
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Zkillz kun
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.30 06:03:00 -
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for anyone who isn't clear i'll explain it again:
1. you pew pew and get gcc
2. you dock to wait out your gcc(and/or yellow station agro)
3. you wait untill these timers are finished
4a. you undock with no agro's at all and are fired upon by the station turrets.
4b. you have instas at every station in your favorite lowsec system and don't have to worry bout this bug n_n
i frapsed undocking with no agro and getting shot by sentries. i will upload asap
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.07.30 08:26:00 -
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I recommend after you unlock your target, dock up, and boil 5 eggs sequentially. Then the timers will be off.
How you set about eating them during your next combat... I don't really know.
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.07.30 08:55:00 -
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O_O this is one of the most annoying problems in Eve for me.
Short answer? Stop pirating.
Long answer? Don't dock.
Its kinda sad that's the only way to deal with it though. =(
Liang
Originally by: "QproQ"
When people say "Put 'stabs on your 'cane", they mean GYROSTABS"
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Krows
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.07.30 17:07:00 -
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If you're REALLY in doubt, you could always fly out in a shuttle. I've been known to do that before.
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xenodia
Gallente
Shadowrun Company
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Posted - 2007.07.30 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Karrade Krise
Most of us pirates agree, the aggro timer system needs some work.
You're docked and you're Globally Criminally Flaggedaly.
Global timer runs out.
Yellow Agrro timer shows up.
So after a few minutes in yellow aggro, you undock.
Next thing you know PEW PEW!! You get wtfpwnd by the turrets.
This happened twice in a row to me. Fortunately they were frigs so no true harm done. I wont even bother with petitions. I'm sure CCP or whomever would say something along the lines of: "Congrats N3WB you got pwned, now go away."
Lol, j/k. So what do ya'll think of the aggro timer desync? (This has also happened after the yellow timer runs out too.)
Dont dock while flagged. It effectively extends your "yellow" timer by 15 minutes, but it will be hidden and not show up on your screen.
In other words, if you are in space the whole time, you should be safe as soon as the yellow timer goes away. If you docked while flagged, then you need to wait an extra 15 minutes after the yellow timer goes away.
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Zkillz kun
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.30 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: xenodia
Originally by: Karrade Krise
Most of us pirates agree, the aggro timer system needs some work.
You're docked and you're Globally Criminally Flaggedaly.
Global timer runs out.
Yellow Agrro timer shows up.
So after a few minutes in yellow aggro, you undock.
Next thing you know PEW PEW!! You get wtfpwnd by the turrets.
This happened twice in a row to me. Fortunately they were frigs so no true harm done. I wont even bother with petitions. I'm sure CCP or whomever would say something along the lines of: "Congrats N3WB you got pwned, now go away."
Lol, j/k. So what do ya'll think of the aggro timer desync? (This has also happened after the yellow timer runs out too.)
Dont dock while flagged. It effectively extends your "yellow" timer by 15 minutes, but it will be hidden and not show up on your screen.
In other words, if you are in space the whole time, you should be safe as soon as the yellow timer goes away. If you docked while flagged, then you need to wait an extra 15 minutes after the yellow timer goes away.
i'm pretty sure that's still a bug. the mechanics might not be broken, but at the very least the UI is. something needs to be fixed.
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Shozo
Pay Now inc
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Posted - 2007.07.30 18:43:00 -
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simple solution.
make an undock bookmark 200+km straight out from undock.
by doing this you simply undock and the second you see your ship and can right click in space...hit the BM and you'll warp instantly. this nice trick avoids sentries, bumping ships at the undock, etc. this will even let us pirates change ships while flagged.
this, however, doesn't change the fact that the aggression timers are horribly broken.
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Kuromugi
Caldari
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.30 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shozo
simple solution.
make an undock bookmark 200+km straight out from undock.
by doing this you simply undock and the second you see your ship and can right click in space...hit the BM and you'll warp instantly. this nice trick avoids sentries, bumping ships at the undock, etc. this will even let us pirates change ships while flagged.
this, however, doesn't change the fact that the aggression timers are horribly broken.
This is true, good thing I got one of these now.
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Gentle Glide
Silent Scream
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Posted - 2007.07.30 22:54:00 -
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FLY SHIPS THAT TANK SENTRYS.
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PYROnoxx
Serial Killers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.30 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: PYROnoxx on 30/07/2007 23:29:39
once u get to 30 seconds on red timer undock and wait for it to go u wont get shot dunno how well it works on yellow count cus i dont get shot on way to station by sentrys
Edit the 200k bm u shud have anyway for if u get camped in station -_-
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alexiaous
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.31 03:59:00 -
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current fix to this:
Once ur yellow timer goes up as op stated, relog.
This used to happen all the time during the cold war/exodus patch. Never got fixed it seems though...
In any case no need to wait 10mins after yellow timer is up a simple 10sec relog is all thats needed.
Enjoy =)
AXE does not exist. You saw nothing. You heard nothing. I was never here =) |
Josefine Dark
Jion Keanturi
TALIONIS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2007.07.31 08:27:00 -
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Afaik, with every session-chanhe (docking, jumping to another system) the global criminal countdown is reset to 15 minutes... If you agress infront of stations / gates, their sentries will fire on you even if you only have the yellow counter left! |
Yali
Aggressive Tendencies
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Posted - 2007.07.31 11:21:00 -
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This is one of the fun bugs in eve. Makes it a little bit more interesting to undock from station. I've found out that a cheetah can tank 1 run from the sentry guns, a af or plated frig can take like 2 runs. My tip is make sure to make some nice undock bm's.
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Eta Carinea
SADISTIC INTENT
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Posted - 2007.07.31 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Yali
Edited by: Yali on 31/07/2007 11:25:33
This is one of the fun bugs in eve. Makes it a little bit more interesting to undock from station. I've found out that a cheetah can tank 1 run from the sentry guns, a af or plated frig can take like 2 runs. My tip is make sure to make some nice undock bm's.
mhm, and btw. Lets say you have 10min timer, you run to a station on 0km and dock. most of the times the timer wont reset - and you can undock freely after 10min. The issue is that sometimes the sentry guns will fire at you even though you are just in the process of docking - and this will not for some reason show up on the UI, even though you actually got a timer while docking.
I agree, although i must admit to edging my bets so if i am in doubt i undock in a drake. Although it will be only a matter of time before i forget that golden rule..
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Karrade Krise
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Posted - 2007.07.31 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gentle Glide
FLY SHIPS THAT TANK SENTRYS.
USING CAPS IS ANNOYING.
So you think everyone in lowsec should just stop flying their ship of choice and fly HAC's, BC's and bigger? Come on now, be fo real homie! :D
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